GO VEGGIE AND LIVE LONGER!

Posted by: SASHA | October 28, 2008 05:09 PM

It's worse than that. man has a peaceful nature, there is something fundamentally wrong with someone that seeks to ambush and kill a defenseless animal only for sport or pleasure. Nice graphic. Think green. Go veg. Save the planet.

Posted by: vegancoin | October 28, 2008 05:18 PM

Just say it PETA. Hunting causes your penis to go on the fritz.

Its not a ding dong, its not just an "organ." The medical term that is not offensive when one is mature enough mentally is a penis.

And to be honest Long Island has a hidious problem with over population when it comes to deer. I know that its technically overdevelopment's fault and I'm all for not doing that but seeing deer that look like they are about to die due to lack of food is just as horrible as hunters when one thinks about it.

Sorry for the run on sentence. :(

Posted by: King of Fiji | October 28, 2008 05:53 PM

You said: "Clogged arteries restrict blood flow to organs, and this can lead to organ malfunction."

Save the deers, yes. BUT, if someone isn't eating healthy to begin with and has clogged anything, do we really think an article such as this will get them to change their behavior? No. I see huge fat people on scooters all the time. The emabrassment alone would make me wanna change my eating habits, etc. Yet, it's apparent that most things will never come between what people love and what people love to do. People know consequences of certain things yet do whatever they want anyway. I woulnd't expect this article to change them. Drunks kill thousands of people every year but drinking and driving-yet that hasn't stopped the drunks from... pickin up the bottle.

t's unfortunate this world is resistant to change.

Posted by: bbr | October 28, 2008 06:51 PM

If there is a chance that male genitalia size is linked to hunting genetically perhaps there is also some link with watching disturbingly violent videos of animals being tortured by their keepers/killers and aggression towards other humans. I notice many bloggers wish violence upon others after watching the videos. Maybe there is also a genetic trigger in farm workers that links the experience of forcing animals to be confined in grossly inadequate cages and inhummane lives and an urge to be abusive to the animals. Maybe everybody would do alot better at being loving towards other people and animals if the violence around us was turned down. I don't watch violence or pornography becuase it just makes a person crazy in the head. I can only imagine how screwed up a person would be if they were raised with hunting in their family or being exsposed to factory farming from a young age. After years of that training the person would likely be very injured mentally and almost unable to separate violence from normal behavior. Although the graphic videos of animal abuse shown here are necessary to make the truth known...they are powerful medicine and should be used carefully least the people advocating for peace to animals become the same monsters they pray will change their violent ways. Violence begets more violence. Live in East Salinas awhile and you will know this is true. Showing love and compassion and understanding to the most inhumane people is the only way they can learn to recognize the truth and change from the inside out. If you adopt an agressive dog do you cure it by hitting it and hating it? No, you cure it by showing it that you will be fair and consistant and loving.

Posted by: joanna | October 28, 2008 06:53 PM

It's true. My uncle is an avid hunter and he is constantly complaining about his impaired genitalia.

Posted by: Tom | October 29, 2008 09:20 AM

@joanna

No offense but I watched Robocop when I was eight years old.

If that movie didn't turn me into a psychopath towards humans and animals then I'm sorry the only thing violence in the media is good for is possibly setting off an already mental person.

@bbr
No I was just saying that as sucky as a choice it is I'd rather see the deer be hunted and put out of their misery rather than starve to a long death.

Posted by: King of Fiji | October 29, 2008 10:18 AM

omg just let the hunters die for cripes sakez!

Posted by: Amanda | October 29, 2008 11:54 AM

im sorry but i was exposed to hunting at a very early age because that put food in the freezer and i am a normal member of society im not a pyscopath thank you very much

Posted by: josh henderson | October 29, 2008 01:16 PM

Just pointing it out that some hunting is necessary as a management tool. Land can only support a certain number of animals, and when numbers get too high, both land and animals suffer. This occurs mainly during the winter. When there are too many deer, for example, confined on winter range with limited food sources, land is overgrazed and deer die. I dunno if you have ever encountered a starving animal but it's one of the saddest experiences I've ever seen. I'm not supporting all hunting because not all is necessary but in this day and age with the growing human population, the animal population cannot be expanding at the rate it is and so must be controlled. Do you have a better solution? Other then halting human expansion altogether which would be the best answer but won't happen any time soon, hunting is the only alternative.

Just trying logically to state my opinion rather then saying death to hunters or vegans are dumb like some people do. :)

Posted by: craig | October 29, 2008 02:15 PM

Almost forgot to add to my previous comment.

Am i a murderous blood thirsty freak? No. I don't believe in the unethical killing of animals, in fact if theres a coon in the middle of the road, i'll swerve to miss it before i hit it.

I don't believe in death of an animal if it is unneccessary.

It's like the act that caused all horse slaughter houses to be shut down, As a horse owner/lover I am glad it happened because it was so wrong and cruel how they were killed. BUT...i believe we truelly need them because of all the idiotic breeders and race horse owners that just throw away the horses. They've began to turn DOMESTIC horses loose in the huge horse states, shelters are becoming overwhelmed with them.
Death is a fact of life, we dont like it, but it has to happened, just we all wish, as quick and painless as possible.

Posted by: Sierra | October 29, 2008 03:32 PM

Wow, you folks are real sweethearts. I mean, can't you hear the carrots scream when you pluck them from their mother. The peas fall willy-nilly from their embryonic pod only to find refuge in a vegan pit. Get over yerself.

Posted by: Elmer | October 29, 2008 04:16 PM

I lived in Tennessee most of my life and have never understood why such a horrible act of violence could even be legal! I'm am so outraged that this is exceptable in this day and age. It is horrible when you are sitting in your home and here a gun going off knowing that an innocent animal is being murder. Until people grow a brain, I'm glad to see there lives will be affected in a very noticable way! Maybe they will catch a hint and make the connection. Probably not.

Posted by: Carol | October 29, 2008 05:16 PM

Craig,

Overpopulation of wild animals is almost ALWAYS due to human interaction. Look into it.

Sierra,

Death is a fact of life, but creating life for your own gain does not justify killing the left overs.

Elmer,

How advanced ARE the central nervous systems in carrots?

Josh,

I'm glad you aren't a psychopath and that you had a freezer.

Carry on.

Posted by: Tom | October 29, 2008 09:12 PM

What in God's name are these hunters doing HERE leaving comments at the PETA website?? It's proof they're a belligerent bunch... hanging out here trying to start arguments defending something that is completely and totally indefensible in the 21st century. Hey you neanderthals... wouldn't y'all be happier leaving your comments at www.bowie-knifing-bear-cubs.com?

Posted by: Jay Teitzell | October 29, 2008 09:30 PM

Has it occurred to anyone that many hunters are using their big guns and machoism to compensate for their "impaired genitalia"?

;)

Posted by: appy | October 30, 2008 01:38 AM

hope this comment will show up because its true.. lol HUNTING: how men with small penises feel macho!

Posted by: katie | October 30, 2008 08:19 AM

Isn't it disgusting that this is considered male bonding for some people? Like what next? Gang rape as male bonding?

Why not trying to do something constructive with your father/son/brother? You don't need to destroy an innocent animal to feel close to someome. Canoe trip anyone?

Posted by: Jess | October 30, 2008 10:33 AM

Craig,

It might be easier to believe hunters do it for altruistic reasons if time and again it wasn't proven otherwise. If hunters are really concerned about animals they should investigate non-lethal ways of helping them.

Now some farmers are just letting their cattle starve, because the price of grain is too high:

http://www.nj.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/national-0/1224860348218710.xml&storylist=national&thispage=1

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 30, 2008 12:06 PM

tom
thats pretty much what i said..but there is no solution other then halting human expansion altogether..so put very simply..hunting is necessary because its more humane to shoot an animal then let it starve or get hit by a car or something.

Jay
I have a right to logically state my opinion about hunting, instead of insulting give me a reason why starving to death is more humane then being shot.

Posted by: craig | October 30, 2008 12:25 PM

Hunters think they can justify it by bitching about overpopulation of animals and that somehow makes it right for them to get their hillbilly bodies into camoflauge and go out like a redneck and shoot things. Why don't we bitch about the overpopulation of humans and how our economy sucks and spay and neuter some humans! There are a lot of people who need to quit breeding!

Posted by: 4 the Animals | October 30, 2008 02:49 PM

Hi Craig,

That is not what you said, actually.

If you read up on hunting you would know that a lot of over population of wild animals is due to two things humans do.

Removing Predators, and Hunting.

The reason deer get close to "overpopulating" is because we've relocated or destroyed all of the natural predators in the area and hunted them so thin that they reproduce at a high rate to bolster their numbers. It's the same with many wild animals put in these situations.

Killing an animal for sport is never more humane. No educated person would hunt to stop over population because they would know that they are in fact causing the situation they are trying to solve.

Perhaps if an animal is sick, and suffering as they die - it may be more humane to euthanize them painlessly.

Hunting is not the answer to anything. It's just the problem.

Carry on.

Posted by: Tom | October 30, 2008 02:51 PM

Mike
I agree 100%, it's great to say we need a non lethal way but what can we really do? It would be awesome to just relocate animals in overpopulated ares to areas that are underpopulated but the cost would be astronomical not to mention it's not healthy for the animals. To me there isn't a perfect solution, we just have to try and find a good balance.

Posted by: craig | October 30, 2008 03:08 PM

Tom--

Sadly oddly the creator of this article/forum didnt post another comment i had made.

How do we humans, create life of deer? they go about it by nature.

the horse aspect--tell that to the racers of the world, they breed countless horses, it is only a 23% chance a horse will ever make it to the track.

AND For human use, theres a drug, i cant remember the exact name of it, but its main sorce for controling menopause in countless women, is urine taken from preg. mares. Meaning a farm will breed a mare over and over until her body gives out, from age 3 to 12, she will produce 9 foals if she is lucky. they're breed for OUR use, keep in mind if you have any female friends taking horomonal treatments, they should look into where all the drugs come from.

But back to the hunting aspect.

I've been hunting since i was 5, my father took me with him. I learned responsible hunting, I use 95% of the deer, only thing i dont use is the bones, and those go to my dogs. I use the skin to make rub bumpers for all my tack i have for my horses.

There are the fat lazy hunters that dont do nothing all year long, i agree let them die from heart attacks.

But those like me, are active all year long. and if it wasnt for ANy of us good or bad, the deer population would be really REALLY out of control, they would be severely inbred, more than they are already, and also starving to death.

Because of the above thought, has caused Iowa to create 2 more shotgun seasons, antlerless, where only does and severely young bucks that dont have antlers are supposed to be taken. Which we have to call in and report what we get. Ive seen at a local state park that has started to have thin deer along with dwarfed bug eyed deer, which is caused by inbreeding.

So i guess people think, not saying you in general, may think its better to let the deer starve and mutate, get hit by a car where they may not die fast, they suffer more than they do if theyre shot by an arrow or bullet, they can get gangreen in the area affected, causing severe sickness in the animal and a slow, painful death....

I may have gotten off topic but my first comment wasnt posted. So sorry if i lose you a little.

Posted by: Sierra | October 30, 2008 04:01 PM

AND TO EVERYONE STATING HUNTERS ARE ONLY MALE

FEMALE ALL THE WAY, AND HUNTER ALL THE WAY.

And making fun of us stating our opinions on here, its a free world. And I've had my own battles with PETA people, at a highschool rodeo, I was told i was cruel cause my horse was dripping in sweat before we ran our barrel pattern because that is what he loves to do, I dont force the horse to do anything.

And what about peta making fun of hunters, how is that right?

without us, you'd be hitting and causing more suffering to bambi's all over the world...food for thought.

Posted by: Sierra | October 30, 2008 04:06 PM

Hey Craig---------

I guess everyone thinks we've supposed to pull land that grows food constantly for deer to eat on without end?

Non lethal way of killing? hahah

HEY people who hate hunting....whether you want to believe it or not, your ancestors killed animals to eat, its in your blood.

Its sad to see a beautiful creature go, when i see the deer in my cross airs ...i have a second thought if im doing the best thing, but in the end i am, because i would rather have a mature deer that is at the top of its life, it'll only go down hill from there, and keep it from starving to death. because of all of our stupid interuption in their way of life.

Maybe humans should stop breeding to decrease our numbers so all the animals are fine and dandy

Posted by: Sierra | October 30, 2008 04:11 PM

Craig,

So hunters only kill sick and starving animals?

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 30, 2008 04:39 PM

Sierra,

So by your logic that it's humane and altruistic of hunters to kill a starving or suffering animal, do you apply the same logic to starving and suffering human animals—and, if not, why not?

If you like to stalk, shoot and kill animals, just say so, but spare me the spin.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 30, 2008 05:02 PM

Craig -

Sorry, I did kind of trail off from the original topic and into the folly that is believing hunting serves a purpose.

You are functioning under the assumption that all of these bad things you describe are happening because somehow nature doesn't know how to balance itself.

Humans create all of the situations where animals do not live in natural conditions. Any problems created within nature because of some anomaly are sorted out as such, naturally.

People get sick, and die. It is a fact. Hunting for sport is not a fact of life. You don't NEED to hunt - you have access to a computer and the ability to type coherent sentences so I highly doubt your family survives off the surrounding wild life. Whether or not you are using 95% of the corpse you created, doesn't change the fact that you are doing it for sport - not necessity.

If a human being is sick and dying - you generally don't decide that its "more humane" to have them shot in the face or even painlessly killed.

Is it more humane to kill a starving hurting human? I don't understand.

Beyond all that, I'm definitely not here to make fun of anyone's right to say what they feel. My dad taught me to hunt when I was 5 just as well and I've realized since then that all of the baseless arguments to support it are just that.

Empty and misguided.

Posted by: Tom | October 30, 2008 05:02 PM

Hunting is the problem, as Tom has correctly pointed out. That neanderthal hillybilly hunter stereotype, although offensive is accurate. Hunters don't really have a good excuse to go out and violently and sadistically kill and maim wild animals, so they make up silly and illogical excuses as they go along hoping somebody won't notice. This "wildlife" management and thinning the herd excuse is really silly, really dumb and is extremely unscientific. Taken to the extreme this "impaired macho" posturing is just a bit much.

Posted by: vegancoin | October 30, 2008 05:50 PM

Mike,

No, hunting if done properly is an effective way of controlling the population so that deer do not run out of food and starve, it also prevents inbreeding as Sierra stated above.

Tom,
I agree, if an animal is sick to the point that it cannot be helped it should be euthanized. But you have to wonder why it's sick, if it's sick because its inbred or starving then overpopulation might be a problem. Therefore hunting is an answer. And overpopulation is due to removal of predators(thats why controlled hunting needs to be used) but you forgot to add that humans living at all causes overpopulation. There are 6 billion of us on the planet and we keep increasing. .either we lower our population or we lower the animal population.

Sierra-
kudos, we need more girls like you who aren't scared to do the right thing!

Posted by: craig | October 30, 2008 07:04 PM

Some of you may think im being opinionated, i just read post, read post...and so on

Heres a thought that came up watching a hunting show.

Its more humane to kill a deer with an arrow/bullet than it is for a wolf/coyote/cougar. They stalk the animal, which knows theyre there, then they tear at it's hips to take out the back end while(if there is a pack) another clamps down on the neck to slowly cut off blood and air supply.

Bullet that kills in the blink of an eye that the animal doesnt realize what happens....oooor long slow death by other animal?

And the person who suggested putting the animal down. DO YOU HONESTLY realize how much a lethal injection is? for a 150lbs deer it would be nearly 60+ depending on the area, the time of day the vet would be called out, plus tranq's to put the animal on the ground to have the injection put into the blood system.

Do you seriously realize what the processes have to be to put an animal to sleep? have you ever sat there with a large animal while the injection takes place?
few years ago i had to put down a mare after she lost a battle with an infection that took her baby then her. The injectino for her was 75, vet call out was base 32, then his time being there was another 40 dollars for an 1hour n half worth of work, with the horse laying there. while it would take a while to tranq the deer, which you again, would be shooting at it which causes adreniline to raise n it to panic....

think before you state something.

Posted by: Sierra | October 30, 2008 07:25 PM

Craig--

if your last was directed at me, no. sadly you have the stupid hunters that go for the tip top BIG Bucks because of their own selfish needs.

I personally along with my family, my dad and brother in law, and few other guys in our group, we go first for mature deer that we know they are at their peak and will end up goin down hill within a year, and mostly does, if we get bucks they're small ones but we do use everything in the deer, the rack means nothing.--we use the meat in place of beef, saves us nearly 1500 a year per household.

come to think of it, there was a deer my B.I.L hit last year out in season, that when he opened it up to field dress, was full of injection, he grabbed teh rib cage and instantly had alot of pus come oozing out.

heres a management Pro to hunting--check for cronic wasting disease that is passed more so through more heavily populated areas. but deer need to be taken to check to see if there is any sign of it.

Posted by: Sierra | October 30, 2008 07:31 PM

For all your non-hunters you can not weep for the animals. If you Have not share your wealth with them. If wasn't for ducks unlimited, pheasants forever, whitetail unlimited,minnesota waterfowl assc, etc. What land would there be besides farm land which is rapidly declining Then their is the peta,save the whales,aspca and humane soiecty Etc. What have these done? Protest? Where is the money?
I'm am not trying to start anything But hunters do cull the herd and donate alot more then nonhunters (hides for habiat, vension for the homeless( And don't start about the lead in in the meat . Just because someone dosen't know how to butcher a deer or just because it was a lazy slop hunter and decided to dump it and cause a empidic.
Please get educated somewhat on subjects

Posted by: James | October 30, 2008 08:58 PM

C'mon. Do you hunters expect ANYONE to believe you can redeem hunting because otherwise animals would starve or overpopulate? This is called JUSTIFICATION. You hunt because you enjoy the blood lust. And YES our ancestors hunted for food. They also raped and murdered with no rule of law. Another concept for you to look up: the ascent of civilization. Please stop the pathetic justification. Just say you love the blood lust, you hunt because it's legal and you can and go about your business. Don't kid yourself... because you're not kidding anyone else.

There is no question that in the future there will be no hunting. Even with the incredible amount of violence and injustice in the world, look at the trend over the millennia, Hunters (warmongers, violent criminals and the like) will all eventually go the way of the dodo.

Posted by: Jay | October 31, 2008 01:13 AM

And Sierra:

What do you mean you don't force the horse to do anything. Are you serious? Can you possibly be that unaware? Without YOU on top, the horse would not be doing ANYTHING. PLEASE don't suggest that your horse has ANY choice in the matter. You brush and feed and stable your horse responsibly. I'm thankful for that... but it's still animal slavery no matter how you slice it. Where is it written that any form of slavery is okay? And don't say it's okay because other people do it or because it's been done for hundreds of years. Africans were enslaved for hundreds of years also and they were only freed when it was finally an idea whose time had come. We PETANS are just ahead of the curve.

Posted by: Jay | October 31, 2008 01:24 AM

Tom-
I agree with you about nature sorting it out but in this day and age nature can only do so much because of all the people. For example this past winter..food grew so scarce in the wild that wolves moved into residential areas and killed cats and dogs..it could easily have been a child? If hunting goes away this is a realistic situation of what could happen in my opinion. If you don't agree with me thats fine but I don't see what the alternative could be. (I am talking about controlled hunting such as what Sierra above does not hunting for sport alone)

Posted by: craig | October 31, 2008 10:52 AM

I have hunted my entire life and feel that there is nothing wrong with it. My question is where are you kids on a fall or winter morning. Ski slop with wool on driving here and there with leather on your feet, in your car? If you are a pure vegan, you have every right to be angry with me, however check in your every day life what you are using from animals. What angers me the most is you anti's who still consume protein and have the gull to come at me for hunting.

Posted by: jmdb | October 31, 2008 11:03 AM

Jay

Heres a thought, have you ever spent time near a horse? Like real time, like i have. I've been around them all my life. I spoil them more than i do myself, one starts to limp I am instantly on the phone with the vet finding out how to solve it.

Am i on their back, yes, Do i train for different things, yes, but i go in the direction that the horse seems to liek more, and if they arent cut for any type of competion, they are used for trail riding, simple riding. I dont push the horse, if im rodeoing, if i can tell the horse isnt up for the run, i dont force them

And have you ever EVER EVER sat at a rodeo with animals, notice how well they're taken care of. HAEV YOU EVER seen the horses getting ready to run. In highschool circut our state wasnt allowed to use spurs or bats. You would see the horses rearing up at the gate and biting at their bit while they had to wait because they LOVE to do it.

And you know what. Like someone mentioned, anyone who hates hunting and what not. saying we need to find a better way, Like James said, if it wasnt for all those foundations, everything would have been gone by now. And you're so high and mighty spread you're wealth.

If you dont understand the fundementals in buying the tags and taxes and stamps when you buy a hunting lic. Part of it goes back to the state, part of it goes to your dept of natural recources to pay for studies of the animals in your area.

OH OH OH and those who wanna say hunting is bad. Here in iowa we have a program called HUSH. HELP US STOP HUNGER. We are able to take deer to our local locker that participates in the program, they take the deer meat and give it to the hungry people. Provides alot of meals for people

So, ha.

Posted by: Sierra | October 31, 2008 01:45 PM

You know people, i've delt with the whole hunting is bad aspect my entire life. I live in a town with a severely SEVERELY liberal college, that a month after i bought a nice, nice truck, that we happened to use during deer season to carry our deer, mind you this is mid/early dec. which can be cold. I had blood left on the bed, and some hair because i didnt want to freeze my butt off anymore to wash it.

Some student had the balls to come up to my truck that i had paid 15,000 for- because of needign to pull a trailer loaded with horses-- And KEYED down to the bare metal Murderer.. What gives you guys the right to come destroy my property or anyone elses for that matter? would you like for us to come up to your car/house whatever and right STUPID or anything else that i cant write on here.

But you know, it sucks that death happens. But no matter what, it will happen, whether a being is killed or not. But you all seem to make it seem like all of us hunters are blood thristy heartless freaks. We aren't we do what was handed down to us through our family.

Our ancestors killed animals to stay alive, yes they raped and went on battles, but how do you think all the nations have developed in the world. You guys do as you believe, we'll do what we believe. Just theres a line you can cross when you are being past open minded.

I see the point, yeah we're taking a life. but some of us do have a heart and feel for it. Are we taking a late babies mother? are we taking a doe that has a baby in her? a lot of questions do pass through our minds.

We fund foundations to help with conservation acts, we're some of the first to know if something is wrong with an area for different animals. We truely admire and respect the natural world. I dont see any of you PETA people sitting out in a deer stand...ok a tree... from hour before sunrise to a half hour after sunset, and go out day after day to do this, reguardless if you get an animal. It's a neat thing to be sitting out there hearing all the different sounds, be it a flock of turkeys near you, a fox or a mink runnin on the ground or even a squrriel sitting above you dropping walnut shells on your head. You are a part of nature right then and there. We are no different than a wolf, cougar or coyote, we are there to take what we need to live, we just can do it faster.

(This is all about the good hunters, the ones who go for using the meat and everything from the deer, not just from the killing of an animal or for the size of the rack, because there are some pathetic jerks out there.)

oh Craig-- I'd say if you were close to iowa, if tags werent so hard to come by i'd invite ya for a hunt ;) or pheasants if thats your fancy. its been interesting conditions last few years for us.

Posted by: Sierra | October 31, 2008 02:21 PM

"I have hunted my entire life and feel that there is nothing wrong with it."

And once upon a time there were people on this planet that thought and believed that there was nothing wrong with slavery, and with treating other human beings as little more than property. Your appeal to tradition is silly, outdated and outmoded. i find it rather strange that you neanderthal hunter types believe that "wildlife" management can only be accomplished at the end of a gun.

"What angers me the most is you anti's who still consume protein and have the gull to come at me for hunting."

Stay angry, there's that "impaired macho" selfish routine again. Human beings need protein to survive, it's a fact of life.

Posted by: vegancoin | October 31, 2008 02:24 PM

okay i am a meat eater, but do understand why people are, veggitarians and vegans. i respect you guys for that. but i was raised in the country by a poor family where meat, mostly deer was part of our diet. never had any problems with the organ,lol. but i do have a message mainly for the hunters, dont hunt for just the sport of it, like native americans believe you must use most if not all of the animal. why waste a life if you dont NEED it. take care of nature and respect it. if you have to do it to survive than also do it in a humane way. once i seen a deer get hit on the side of the road a man pulled out the hack saw and started sawing away. it made me sick cause the deer was still alive. for those who do not eat meat, i mean no disrespect i just want to get that message across

Posted by: jody | October 31, 2008 02:26 PM

and heres a thought to murderous killing...the effects that happen after it is stopped.

If any of you think hunting should be stopped, think about this. Horse market, like i have mentioned before, it was wrong how the animals were killed...So peta ganged up with AQHA to get congress to shut down all horse slaughter markets in the US, and animals couldnt be shipped out of here to canada or mexico to be slaughtered either.

Horse lover side of me goes YAY! EVERYTHINGS GONE!....business and real world side of me goes, sh*t....

Granted happened and because of all the people who buy their kids ponies that get bored and just throw them away, and the race horse industry that is completely stupid.

BUT with this act happening, it has caused rendering plants to stop taking horses because they cant be even used in dog food. SO what happens when you have to put down a horse? You have to burn the body, or take a chance at burying the animal and facing a minimal $10,000 fine by your county, then also face jail time because you are "contaminating" ground water.

Death sucks, its what i've said over and over, but because of our interation and destruction of natural world, we are forced to take the lives of innocent animals that are just doing what they know naturally. It's kind of like storms that kill people, it happens for a reason. So be it.

Posted by: Sierra | October 31, 2008 04:10 PM

"If any of you think hunting should be stopped, think about this."

yes sport hunting needs to be stopped, and there really is no such thing as sustenance hunting anymore. Sport hunting is cruel and unnecessary. There is nothing to think about.

Posted by: vegancoin | October 31, 2008 05:03 PM

You know...this was a thought watching a fishing show today, and a point my b/f brought up this weekend.

And i know some people that stand behind PETA are strickly vegens/veggies and there are some that do the leway with fish...I don't see anyone upset about what happens to fish. Ya'll realize that they're suffocated to death if not put ina live well, and then if they are and they're going to be eaten. They're cleaned alive prob 80% of the time, only thing worse than that i can think of is a coon being skinned alive.

Plus PETA put this article up as a thought towards the dumbness of hunters that are fat and lazy. And they've stated in an article that i stand behind completely,(has to do with hogs n other animals being in crates not bein able to move), they don't like the thought of an animal dying, but if they can lessen the hell they go through before their death it makes them happier.

And this article never stated how they want to stop hunting, just pointing out a fact about it.

Posted by: Sierra | November 2, 2008 07:23 PM

"I wonder what the gene looks like for overtly agressive vegans with pent up rage and disassociative behavior?"

It's probably really twisted and doubles back on it's own hind end."
Quote by Mike D

Actually my associate Mike is a little off. The DNA strand for vegans is actually a circle since the head curves around to insert into the rear end. Personally I have nothing against a vegan lifestyle and believe each person must live by their own convictions. I do however have a problem when someone tells me that "their" convictions are the only correct point of view and try to force me to adopt them.
Any argument with PETA & associates is pointless. The radical behavior of these groups is symptomatic of the obsession of their beliefs. I find it an irony that they take a stand against animal cruelty (not only hunting), under a higher moral authority but they don't think twice about breaking the laws of civil authority i.e. keying vehicles, slashing tires and etc. Let's face it, both parties on both sides of the spectrum do not approve of animals being mistreated. A good friend of mine had his truck tires flattened and a "manifesto" left on his windshield by someone from the animal activist kingdom. Strange thing was my friend doesn't hunt and his only "crime" was owning a truck that looked like a truck a hunter would use and having to park near a wildlife management area. I have friends who are professional wildlife photographers and wear camo clothing in order to photograph animals from a close perspective. How long will it be before one of them is hurt or vandalized because they "look" like hunters? I don't know the answers, but everybody needs to step back and take a deep breath and think for a minute.
That's just my two cents.

Posted by: Easygoing | November 3, 2008 08:11 AM

Craig,

Plain and Simple. You're a speciesist.

We expand in a way that makes it hard and sometimes impossible for other (essential) animals to exist so it's our job to kill them so we can prosper?

The issue is not rooted in hunting, that is just a symptom. The issue is the attitude of Us or Them that human beings apply to everything in life.

We're all a part of the same planet and to act like we have some sort of a divine right to prosper and do as we please is selfish and misguided.

Excuses are weak, man. If you're so concerned about over population and helping the animals that are hunted what are you doing besides shooting them?

Besides getting an adrenaline rush from firing a weapon into a living, breathing being. What are you really doing?

Posted by: Tom | November 3, 2008 08:51 AM

haha, go hunters. lol jk. well i was around hunting since i was born, and it helps put food on the table. but as long as hunters don't start going animal crazy and shooting everything in sight. but hunting does help overpopulation very much if you use it right.

Posted by: whitney | November 3, 2008 02:47 PM

"and it helps put food on the table."

Gross oversimplification. There is no real need for sustenance hunting and the appeal to nature in evidence here is bogus.

To quote Tom from the above post, he makes several good points:

"...the folly that is believing hunting serves a purpose."

"Humans create all of the situations where animals do not live in natural conditions."

"Hunting for sport is not a fact of life. You don't NEED to hunt..."

"Whether or not you are using 95% of the corpse you created, doesn't change the fact that you are doing it for sport - not necessity."

"I've realized since then that all of the baseless arguments to support it are just that."

"Empty and misguided."

Posted by: vegancoin | November 3, 2008 05:40 PM

You do know that you spelled necessary wrong, right? Anyways, hunting is not inhumane, and you are very naive. Do you know what all of our ancestors did for food? They hunted. Now, I know this is a tough concept for you guys to grasp, but animals are food. And rapping your mind around it may also be tough for those naive little brains of yours, but you have to try. Because even other animals eat each other. Do you know what a Tiger Shark does? It hunts other fish for food, even though there are plenty of plants in the ocean it could eat. Why aren't you guys doing anything about that, maybe you should try to put some signs up in the ocean saying, "Attention all predators! Your vicious killing and eating of smaller fish than you is unfair and cruel, please eat just plants." And by the way, the way that sharks or any other predator for that matter hunt is more painful for the prey than the way humans hunt.

Posted by: Jon | November 3, 2008 11:15 PM

I live in an area surrounded by mountains. I remember when I was in school there would be deer on the playground. There would also be days we weren't allowed outside because there is a cougar. The ones that live in the city have lost the majority of their fear of humans. They move in here because of forest fires and overpopulation. Fireworks, cars backfiring alot, so that when hunting season come they don't know, they don't fear. And since more deer are moving into the city in the winter because people have perfect lawn, they graze in your back yard. What follows them is a good reason why populations need to be managed.
When you hear your dog barking and you go outside to see what it is and find your dog barking at the tree. You look up and you see eyes.(a cougar). Or when walking in town at night (because our town is safe, except for one thing) you feel stalked. Yeah people feel bad when your dog or pets get eaten by cougars or coyotes. Where I live, its a matter of time before cougars see little kids as potential prey.
Actually, just last spring a cougar, young adult, walked up to a golfer and bit him in the calf.
Basically the way I see it, if one controls the prey of a predator, or directly controls the predator population (which is not easy in my state for to find cougars you need dogs). Then the overall health of the environment benefits. Also you won't hear about how a kid was killed by a cougar in the evening news.
(where i live most people know about the animals and what to do, but recently city people have been moving in and are not aware of the dangers of living here)
(the area were i live in is also where a large portion of the tree fruit industry is, and if deer populations are too high and they munch on the crops then that is bad for everyone too.)

Posted by: Rei | November 6, 2008 01:33 AM

ok ok ok ive had about enough of this. if i understand this right you peta people are for the "ethical treatment for animals" i hope im correct. Well what i have understood about your group is the fact that it is wrong to kill any animal for any reason what so ever. I have to admit that i am a avid sportsman from that state of wisconsin so of course im offically the devil! But i think you people have all the answers so i have a real life senario for you and please feel free to comment me back. senario: I was driving home one night after getting done hunting"I saw numerous deer but didnt see any mature deer to harvest" when all of a sudden i see break lights off of another car in the ditch. I pulled over to find out that a middle aged man had struck a deer with his car. The man was fine a little shaken up tho, and the car was totalled. It seems he had struck the deer in its hind legs thus breaking the deers back legs. After calling local authorites i proceed to track down the wounded animal to find it partiaully crawling through a field. Oh by the way if you have never herd a deer suffer let me tell you this it is one of the most heart breaking things you could ever hear. Back to the deer so after finding the wounded animal i rushed back to my truck and retrived me rifel and with one well placed shot i put the animal out of its missery. now feel free to write me back and call me whatever you want that will make u feel better at night. But i do believe in that situation i was a peta member i was a person providing the ethical treatment for a animal.

Posted by: marcus | November 6, 2008 01:33 PM

Bless your heart Marcus...haaha i feel like my grandmother saying that. Agree with you completely..... n seen that too many times too...Least you were able to come along and help the animal get out of that pain.

Posted by: Sierra | November 6, 2008 07:40 PM

Some of these responses kill me to read, for I am a hunter as my father, mother and both grandfathers and down the line.
I would never choose to be a vegan not even a Vegetarian you have every right. I harvest animals for food and don't care to eat hormone fed mass grown animal meat.
As far as someone stating about the fat hunter sitting in an ambush to kill animal there is much more to it then that. I have spent more time in the woods this past week then most would in a year. While out there I pick up trash left from the dog walkers and hikers. In the off season I am still in the woods canoeing, litter picking, taking photos.
I do agree with you, humans beating pets, slaughter houses, dog fighting, are very sickening. Someone else mentioned why are hunters here reading this stuff and it was to just start arguments, that is not why I am here I was simply reading folks views who disagree with my lifestyle, just as you anti hunting folks read my hunting websites.
Life the life you want but please don't push your views on mine.

Enjoy your day.
PS Anytime someone wants to hike in the off season and learn about all the plants native and non, or go canoeing and learn about the insects, animals, and fish you see, email me I'm willing to teach if you are willing to listen.

Posted by: Woods Dwelling Gnome MA/RI | November 6, 2008 08:00 PM

Tom--

I just seen your one comment

you have access to a computer and the ability to type coherent sentences so I highly doubt your family survives off the surrounding wild life. Whether or not you are using 95% of the corpse you created, doesn't change the fact that you are doing it for sport - not necessity."

Truthfully, i've ate more deer in my life time, than i have pork, beef or chicken. My father has gentic heart disease n high cholestrol. And being his children, my sister and i are at high risk for it, so we ate deer for the leaness, considering its leaner than chicken (if it isnt skinned and steamed, which does not fly in our family having tasteless food)

the 5% of the deer we dont use, goes to our dogs(we throw them the legs that we dont clean off) and then the rib cage/spine of the deer goes on our land to help feed the surrounding wild life that eats meat, helps them out alot when its nasty out and they cant get a kill themselves. Sooooooo its wrong for me to take one life that helps countless?

And DNR- Do Not Resitate- orders by people who are suffering, is to basically have hospitals kill the person, they cant bring them back to life they have to let them die.

And just on monday, a friend close of mine's dad shot himself to put himself out of his misery, he was tired of being sick and had cancer. He took his own life granted but still was suffering.

AND YES we lived off the deer, my family does it for the sportsmenship and need to put the food on the table! not the trophy buck.

You raise two daughters, which one was sick alot growing up (me, bad respiratory system and have a crappy immune system), live on an acreage that costs 1200 for taxes every 6 months, have 2 to feed constantly and keep vetted up, and try to keep your machinary going, keep your truck and cars running okay. Plus make the house payment and pay for the electrical and LP... It aint cheap, yes our choice but its better than living in the crowded town.

The meat we took every year saved us alot of money, that gave me and my sister better things than most of the people we went to school with. We didnt have the greatest cars but we had our horses and the country to live in and respect, i have my shotguns to have and i love them, i know im safe if someone trys to break in.

Heres the deal, i probably could deal with death faster in my life than non hunters could, i seen life taken when i was 5 when i watched my pony be put to sleep cause she had such bad colic we couldnt get her to ISU for surgery. and it would have been cheaper to put her out of her pain than to keep makin her go thru it. I've had puppies ran over because they were so excited. but i've been able to handle death of humans even easier because i've learned life is precious, it can be taken from you at anytime.

And dont give me the load of BS that we have no heart and we are not educated and we're misguided...I put down a mare almost 4 years ago, and 6 months after i put her down and stopped crying myself to sleep every night because i blamed myself for not doing more for her or that i should have put her down sooner than i did because i made her suffer.

But my stud i bought 6 months after her, i lost just in sept. Cool rainy morning n had been raining for 3 days, i made it 150 yards in about 20seconds running barefoot and into the pasture where he laid dead.

As i sat in the grass looking at him thru my tears, i sat wondering if i should have been there sooner before he passed, what about the pain he went thru because we figured he had ate something toxic, which would have killed him slowly and painfully....And i would have much rather seen him go fast without suffering than the way we think he went. I would have put a bullet in him than have him suffer an extra second waiting on the vet to come with the lethal injection.

Tell me how would you have handled it? Could you sit and see an animal in pain? from starving or from something toxic.

You people that hate us hunters obviously cant handle death well, you dont truely respect life either.

If someone were to come up to me that was sick and tired of the pain asked me to help them die, i would help them..Would i pull the trigger no but i would help them however i could.

It's called a mercy kill...and if you havent studied history much alot of soldiers had to do it..

Close family friend that served in Vietnam had to do this to one of his troop members, he also had to kick a child in the chest and push them into a streetout of the bar they were in because the kid was strapped with explosives.

Posted by: Sierra | November 6, 2008 08:02 PM

Woods Dwelling Gnome MA/RI
No one's pushing anything on you. You're the one who came here of your own volition.

Posted by: lynda downie | November 9, 2008 09:54 PM

Lynda,

This is true I did come here but I was not speaking about this blog. I was speaking about the folks out in the field trying to stop me from going into the woods. I was speaking about the people trying to take away my hunting rights.

Posted by: Wood Dwelling Gnome | November 11, 2008 09:19 PM