The South Koreans love beef and all meat products. They just want to be safe and only domestically grown beef. There is nothing wrong with American beef. More people have gotten sick from eating tainted vegatables than mad cow. There is a higher chance of catch salminela from eating a tomatoe then eating a mad cow ridden piece of beef, and it is up to the slaughter house schlauchthof, to kill the sick ones and make sure that there meat isnt eaten.

Posted by: Kyle Hof | July 8, 2008 05:11 PM

kyle you seem to be missing the point!!! tomatoes don't give you heart disease and they and other fruits and vegs are linked to preventing disease. and i see you know so much about disease seeing as you can't even spell salmonella!!!! the major point is that we don't want to eat CRUEL meat that has a heap of negative health impacts and more people who avoid it the better the worlds heatlh will be. now enjoy your mad cow ridden (DEADLY) steak and i will stick to my tomatoe (pretty sure i'll survive a bit of gastro)

Posted by: nicole | July 8, 2008 10:41 PM

That's great! promoting vegetarianism in South Korea (:

You guys should definitely protest "Fur Is Dead" as well.

Posted by: Cindy | July 9, 2008 05:29 AM

Kyle is correct. More people will die from diseases they contracted from their cat than CJD. It is a huge stretch. Wouldn't it be more honest if the protester protested killing cows since that is the thing that bothers PETA in the first place. Why do you guys always obliterate facts by coming up with such far reaching connections. I have been accused of being a murderer, a redneck, a hick, a hillbilly, but at least I am not a liar.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | July 9, 2008 10:06 AM

Cochran, Now you can add "MORON" to you list! And Kyle You can be
Cochrans boy. You two spread nothing but lies. Your both filthy human beings. Go away!

Peace for all animals!

Posted by: Judith | July 9, 2008 12:00 PM

Calling people 'morons' does not get your point across. If you want to change opinions, please find a well-researched article and present it. That will earn not only thought, but respect. But I have to agree with Cochran. Same with bird flu. PETA claims that eating chicken puts you at risk for bird flu. However, this disease is transmitted through live birds. As long as you cook your chicken, your risk is very low. Also, mad cow disease is not present in cow meat. Your chance to get infected is present if you eat any part of the central nervous system; such as the brain or eyes. I disagree with slaughter methods used today; and think they should be changed. But Mad Cow is not really relevant to the issue from most standpoints.

Posted by: S.Q. | July 9, 2008 02:58 PM

And the moron Coch strikes again. Judith, your post is so accurate!!!!!

Posted by: Lizzey | July 9, 2008 03:34 PM

S.Q., thanks for trying to advise me, but I would much prefer to take advice from a non meat-eater. The only thing I do agree with what you had to say is about the way these poor animals are slaughtered. I will never have anything nice to say about Cochran. You live your life and I shall live mine!
Peace!

Peace for all animals!

Posted by: Judith | July 9, 2008 04:40 PM

I never said the Koreans should eat American beef or any other meat. I simply believe the message that they do not want you to kill cows because they think it is cruel and wrong is a more important and powerful message than a misleading piece of propaganda. Comparatively CJD is a non-issue. I guess that makes me a moron to judy. I'll try to move on while she pounds another bottle of white zinfandel. Pink wine!! Yum.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | July 9, 2008 06:05 PM

Well Judith, I'm not stopping you from believing what you want; but it is simply researched knowledge that I am putting forth for you. You may choose to believe it or not. Vegetarians are not always correct on all issues.

Posted by: S.Q. | July 9, 2008 06:14 PM

Lizzey, Thank you.
Cochran has terrorized these boards forever. We keep losing good people because of his bullying ways. He is a pathetic and nasty piece of shit.

Peace for all animals!

Posted by: Judith | July 9, 2008 07:49 PM

Cochran, your posts are always so eloquent and formatted. You often demand that sources be sited for the opposing (our) side, yet never have I seen you post a source of your own. You are no more credible than a junior high student in his parents basement (that was not an accusation and not meant to be offensive, just a comparason)
I did find a study on ambulatory care management with a corresponding author named Christopher Cochran Phd. could this be yourself?
I could not, however find anything on diet and health, or the psychology of livestock.
Do you have a personal vindetta against animals in genera?
Do you dislike life if is it not your own?

Posted by: Brookelynne | July 10, 2008 10:28 AM

Cochran, So here it goes again.
I love a glass of White Zin at least once a week. You on the other hand, fall in your glass of hard booze and come here and post the most horrific ramblings towards Ana who is a beloved and intelligent woman that even the anti-activists questioned you and told you to go sober up, you drunken, broken, sad piece of nasty, nasty, stinking, putrid shit!
And Kurt you are just as bad so I hope you both enjoy wallowing in your shit together!
Peace and Love!

Peace for all animals!

Posted by: Judith | July 10, 2008 12:24 PM

If you think the USDA is keeping your beef supply safe, you're dreaming. The first mad cow in the States went right into the food supply. Google Dave Louthan, the guy that killed it. The USDA covered it up, and claimed it was a downer, but Dave knew it was a walker, and so into human food she went.

The USDA is controlled by agribusiness and their only concern is profit. Countries like Japan and Ireland test every single cow for BSE. The USDA is just going through the motions. I'm glad I don't eat that crap.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | July 10, 2008 01:55 PM

I agree with Cochran.. As soon as you're faced with opposition, you resort to name-calling rather than facts. I just feel like your argument would be more legitimate if you would have a little class. But because you have no facts, I guess that is all that you can do..

Posted by: L. M. | July 10, 2008 02:13 PM

Judith, do you kiss your momma with that mouth? Who taught you your style? Jesse Jackson?
Would anyone like to comment on the original topic of why PETA uses a less powerful and obscure reference, rather than the message they realy intend?i.e. please don't kill cows because we think it is cruel and harmful (a very reasonable argument) vs. don't import cows because there is a billionth of a chance you might get an obscure brain disease (totally obscure and misleading).
I can live with being a "drunken, broken, sad piece of nasty, nasty, stinking, putrid shit!", but I thought the original discussion was more interesting.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | July 10, 2008 02:24 PM

Wow, I didn't know you guys hated Cochran so much. I don't really see what he's saying that's so bad. Maybe I'm not seeing something.

Posted by: S.Q. | July 10, 2008 03:00 PM

Hello Judith: Thanks for the compliment and support, and for always speaking up for the other animals!!!

Peace and joy!!!!

Posted by: Ana | July 10, 2008 05:33 PM

Christopher,

I wouldn't call CJD an obscure disease whether sporadic, genetic, iatrogenic or caused by a TSE. 400 cases of CJD have occurred worldwide solely through things like transplants or neurosurgical instruments that were used on CJD patients and then sterilized conventionally, but still remained infective.

"A study from Yale University showed that approximately 5% of Alzheimer's Disease patients were incorrectly diagnosed. The patients actually had Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease (CJD). One variant of CJD is caused by eating the beef from mad cows."

The incidences of CJD could be vastly under-reported, or misdiagnosed as AD. Also, CJD is not a reportable disease in the U.S.

The U.S. tested only 19,000 cattle in 2002 for BSE. Trust the USDA? No damn way.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | July 10, 2008 05:58 PM

I don't get it.What makes you tick? You are nothing but a group of bully's. You are pathetic and very sad.
You guys come here to PETA and you come here with thoughts of terrorizing the people that love and protect animals. What part of that do you not understand? Most of us are Vegetarians/Vegans, that's our choice our ethics. Go to a hunting board or a board that talks about torturing animals, that's where you belong. But go away and leave us alone, we don't need you to come here and bully us. Your parents must have done a real job on you people. How sad that you have to come here and take it out on us. We are not hurting you, we don't bother you, just go away and leave us to our board. Time for you to grow up and respect other people's ethics. Please go away.
Love and Peace!

Peace for all animals!

Posted by: Judith | July 10, 2008 06:10 PM

I know I really made a name for myself on this site, when I get mentioned in the same breath as Cochran! I'm honored.
I haven't even commented on the blog yet, so now I guess I have to.
Judith, you are the one that sounds like the druken, nasty, nasty person. You have called me names so many times and I have yet to return the favor! I will still refrain.
I hope it makes you feel better though! Peace be with.
Now I have to clean my guns, drink my Jack Daniels and go clean my 4x4 truck so I can pile is full of dead animals that I kill for the hell of it!
I was just kidding about that last part. I don't kill animals for the hell of it and I really drive a Nisan Maxima.
But I do own a gun and I like a Jack and coke from time to time!

Posted by: Kurt K | July 10, 2008 08:07 PM

Wheee Right well For all those Who couldnt be screwed to Save animals lives.... well Happy heart attack.
Oh and have a look at my awesome play:
DAD: How would you like some beef?
ME: Hardy Har Har Dad I'm Veg.. Remember?
Dad: Sure sure, But this isn't Actually Beef, it's a vegtable
Me: Dad here two things, one I'd prefer to stay away from Mad Cow Disease, Two I hate getting sick, so I prefer to stay away from hospital and meat.
Dad: Your 12!
Me: And Plan to live a long healthy life, CRUELTY FREE!

Oh And Good Goin' Ana, Judith and Lizzey, Stand up for what you believe in and Don't let Anyone prove you wrong, oh and Cochran Get your facts right first BEFORE you start pointing fingers.

Spread DA luv 4 all

Posted by: Madison | July 10, 2008 08:11 PM

People should be truely concerned with mad cow disease. I read a story not too long ago about a wife and mother of 2 who had mad cow disease. Who knows when she was affected with the disease. They say it can many many years before it actually shows up. She started forgetting simple things (her name, how to write) and eventually lost it (she had one mental break down after another). She was placed in the hospital and had many tests done on her until last but not least, a spinal tap was done and it was mad cow disease. It has about a 100% fatality rate and yes she did die.

It is wise for people to know the effects of eating meat, or rather, the potential effects. BUT, we can not save people from themselves. We can inform them but they have to make the decision for themselves.

Posted by: brandie r. | July 11, 2008 10:36 AM

Judith, that was a funny comment you made! "We are not hurting you, we don't bother you"? Are you serious?
How many protest has PETA done, how many times have businesses and sporting events been interupted by protests.
The reason we "bad" people come on this website is because we want to stop this crap before it gets out of hand!
You told us to respect your ethics, well I ask you to do the same to me and for all omnivours.
Now you have brought in my parents! You have accused them of doing a piss poor job of raising me. That is very nice of you! My parents taught me more about being polite, caring and having common sense than any book could.
If you want us to stay away, stop making off-the-wall comments about people you don't know!

Posted by: Kurt K | July 11, 2008 11:22 AM

Madison, you are amazing!

Kurt, You are boring!!!!!

Peace for all animals!

Posted by: Judith | July 11, 2008 12:32 PM

Sorry for being boring Judith! If I knew where you lived, I would take you out for a glass of wine and I would have a Sam Adams!

Posted by: Kurt K | July 11, 2008 04:08 PM

Chris,

I have to wonder, what's this with such vitrol against cats? It's at least the second time you've accused cats of sickening people to death.

If you want to get all techincal, diseases that little kids carry around (flu, chicken pox, e coli, etc) have probably been passed to and killed more people than cats ever have.

Cats don't carry airborne zoonotic diseases. People who get sick from cats most likely were bitten by strays who they had no business handling in the first place. I doubt thousands of people die from cat bites from their own indoor cats.

Toxoplasmosis is greatly overrated, most well cared for indoor cats don't have it, although they get blamed for baby deaths all the time.

So blame people for spreading illness, we are the greatest offendors. And as far as mad cow disease, it's still up in the air if some Alzthimers cases are actually mad cow.

However, read this blog and I think you'll begin to see the light, Chris.

http://www.offalgood.com/site/blog/resources/this-is-cheap-meat/

Posted by: Maya, C.V.T. | July 15, 2008 10:03 PM

Maya,
You miss the point. This article is misleading in that it leads us to believe that if you are Korean and you eat American beef, you will be playing the prion lottery and likely lose. BSE/CJD is an extremely obscure disease. I have nothing against cats per se, but I wanted to point out that you are more likely to contract a fatal disease from a cat than you are to contract CJD from eating beef. For the record, the diseases you mention are rare, but 90 percent of cat bites are infected with Pasturella multocida, a fairly fastidious microbe that presents as a cellulitis. If misdiagnosed it is fatal in the young or the elderly as the standard cellulitis antibiotics are ineffective. I have taken care of a hundred or so infected cat bites, no CJD. In fact, in the records of our hospital, only one case of spongiform encephalopathy has ever been seen (that we know of), but the disease is pretty easy to pick up on brain imaging. My point, to summarize, was to point out the obscurity referenced in the protest. Why be misleading? Be honest. "I don't want you to eat beef because I think killing and torturing cows is wrong." What's wrong with that message?

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | July 16, 2008 10:09 AM

Chris,

Okay, I understand what you're saying and I agree with most of it. However, I have a few nitpicky but nonetheless important points:

1. I agree that PETA's protests can be misleading.

2. CJD is rare, but so is rabies and at least in the United States we've gone fucking hog-wild trying to prevent it. From my vague understanding of CJD, it is absolutely horrid to suffer through, so why not point it out? Again, I agree it should not be done in a misleading manner.

3. Most importantly though, even if it's not intended, your statements villify cats. Although it is for comparison purpouses, I beg you to please take the stance that being around cats is safer than being near the stairs in your own home, and that the elderly and immunocompromised simply need to avoid getting bitten.

I say this as someone who had to take 800 plus healthy, friendly cats in a back room of a shelter and poison them, because (some) doctors told pregnant women to "get rid" of their cats.

Posted by: Maya, CVT | July 16, 2008 03:02 PM

Not to get off the subject...yeah okay, I am and I'm DARN good at it...but WASSUP WITH THAT? I've had to go to the doctor recently for an infected cut, allergies, and and an eye infection.

First question that was asked? "You have any cats?"

"Why yes I do! And you'll take my eye out before I get rid of him!"

Poor guy. For once he didn't do anything and gets blamed for it...

Anyways...back on subject...

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't WE told not to eat Canadian meat for the same reason? Fear spreads faster than anything.

Posted by: Tabitha | July 17, 2008 04:35 PM