I don't believe horse racing is as 'straight forward' as it seems.. ie. the horses are trained and then come race day.. 'off they go'..!
it's far far more sinister than that.. I DO believe there's a lot of underhand actions that goes on behind the scenes or even during training.. such as pumping race horses up with steroids as well as other kinds of drugs.. to enhance their racing capabilities or drugs to mask out pain or even injury.. I suspect there was something wrong or some kind of injury to Eight Belles even BEFORE the race.. but nevertheless she was sent off to race regardless.. there's something shady, dishonest or backhandedly shadowy about horse racing.. the injuries not to mention to deaths.. says it all..

Posted by: lizbeth | May 8, 2008 12:50 PM

Enough said!!! Thank-you, Jack!!

Posted by: Carla | May 8, 2008 01:04 PM

Well said Jack, thank you for keeping this discussion alive!

Posted by: Sean MacDizzle | May 8, 2008 01:32 PM

Great post Jack. Thank you.

Posted by: Jaclyn | May 8, 2008 01:33 PM

Thanks, Jack! This needed to be said and I am proud of PETA for trying to make the difference.

Posted by: Katie | May 8, 2008 01:36 PM

I hope you all read this part too...Shocking, just Shocking!

An insurance scandal cost the life of Alydar, who came in second in all three races of the 1978 Triple Crown and fathered many fast horses. After being retired from racing in order to serve as a stud at a Kentucky farm, Alydar was originally believed to have shattered his leg by kicking a stall door and was euthanized when he wasn’t able to maintain a splint.(24) Ten years later, an FBI investigation revealed that his leg was deliberately broken when it was tied by a rope to a pickup truck.(25)

Posted by: Holly | May 8, 2008 01:41 PM

What a tragic event...Eight Belles, running to the home stretch, whipped all the way through, had no idea that those were her last moments on earth... owners walk away with money and more horses to abuse... She had no idea that she will be killed infront of thousands. Crucified for the crusade against this sport... PETA, please activate what you can to get swift reform on this barbaric sport

Posted by: Archie | May 8, 2008 02:14 PM

The thing that gets me when any kind of animal is used for entertainment purposes, is that the animal does NOT choose to do it. It is the sadistic, abusive owners, handlers, whatever , that MAKES them do it! Whether it is beating elephants and other circus animals to do stupid, unnatural tricks, or people who force any animal like horses to race when their bodies tell them otherwise. That is why I love animals a lot more than I like certain people like those who only see the dollar signs and treat their animals like throw away pieces of garbage.

Posted by: Rex's Mom | May 8, 2008 02:17 PM

Bravo '' Jack '' you have said it all., any further comment would be irrelevant.

Thank you.

Posted by: keith | May 8, 2008 02:39 PM

I am a horse person and I am well aware that there is many accidents that could have been prevented in ALL horse activities , but in my opinion Horse racing is one of the worst
(safety wise) sports going. if things were run better (no pun intended) maybe More accidents like this and barbaro would be prevented.it All that seams to be on the peoples minds is the money aspect of it.I also think it is down right foolish to start a horse at 1 and expect it to run in the Kentucky derby by age 3! that is totally rediclous.This is why so many horses die at suck a young age.One you expect it to do anything you ask from practly birth , 2 and if it doesn't do exactly what you want , Alot of TB's end up in a rescue or slaughter houses or worse. just because "they weren't good enough". Totally desusting to me.RIP Eight Belles , Maybe if people actually cared about something other than the all mighty dollar sign once in a while and took the time to let your bones grow instead of just throwing you into a race you would still be here. A true loss of great talent.

Posted by: Annymous | May 8, 2008 03:10 PM

I am a lifelong horseman, farm manager, farm management consultant, owner and breeder and recently became a Realtor, specializing in the sale of Horse Farms. Furthermore, I have served as Operations Manager of the Thoroughbred Retirement Foundation, our nation's oldest and largest equine rescue organization. I would say, that the wholesale condemnation of the Thoroughbred industry as "rotten to the core", is as inaccurate as it is inflammatory. Clearly, there are some very cold, malicious and self serving participants in this industry, who commit abusive acts, though I daresay that statement could be applied to any industry. It is also true that there are many hardworking participants who would throw themselves under the "herd", if it could prevent another catastrophic breakdown such as the one you are currently trying to capitalize on. The long and the short of it is that no one is making any gain by the lack of dialog, or by the slanderous comments which are being hurled by folks on both sides. We need to focus on facts. Facts, such as the data which indicates that there is an (skeletal) advantage to training and running two year olds. Facts, such as, {contrary to your (no doubt very well researched) expression,} that we need not tell you that they "love to run". The better ones, as a matter of fact, do. That is part of the issue. You see, that filly wanted so badly to win, that she ran beyond her ability to withstand the forces which such an effort produces. Yes, in my view, she should not have run with the colts, but the loss of the filly was far greater for her connections, than it was for any of us, and there was no wrongdoing, simply mismanagement. I understand that finger pointing and the oversimplification of the depth of the issues must be tempting, this blog not only perpetuates it, but proves the point, but you can take it from somebody who has dedicated his entire life to the notion of animal welfare, from a hands on to an executive role, that there are a great many players in this industry who are anything but rotten and will always see to it that the horses are fed long before they indulge themselves. It seems that if you truly want to make an improvement in the general level of care, in the horse industry, you could take some time to see the facts and do what you can to further the dialog rather than falsely make accusations and condemn an entire industry for the greed of a few. Perhaps you prefer to point fingers than achieve results. It is much easier, isn't it?

Posted by: fred winters | May 8, 2008 03:16 PM

I was absolutely mortified over the death of this astounding creature Eight Belles. I'm not a horse racing fan since having spent many years riding and seeing "ex-racers" come into our barn totally wigged out, nervous, anxiety-ridden, and just plain dangerous. But alas, each one of those horses had a story to tell, and it took mountains of work to rehabilitate them, and get them to trust. As a society, we'd be remiss (or just plain ignorant), to say these horses were born to run. Huh?....are we that dumb? A constant pain-in-the-ass makes them run! These are feeling creatures. Who wouldn't run to get away from pain? But, as a collective front, we can effect change. No demand....hence no supply. We need to lobby the organizations that have power/authority to make regulations & pass laws that protect horses from a greedy, glutanous society. It's as simple as what the fashion industry is putting into place....if you're deemed to be too skinny....you can't walk the runway. Same rule should apply here...if a horse is too young & frail....they can't participate.

Posted by: kacey | May 8, 2008 03:17 PM

PeTA must have felt all fuzzy inside when this got posted on Internet news.

Posted by: Dr.Breen | May 8, 2008 03:21 PM

This excuse is used by other animal-abusing criminals too.

Some of the puppy mill breeders say their female dogs love to "be mommies" and get locked in a cage to get bred until their internal organs disintegrate.

The lies and excuses that the criminal class comes up with to cover for animal abuse that makes them money would be funny if it weren't so tragically sad.

Posted by: kelly | May 8, 2008 03:39 PM

I'm so pleased to see PETA taking action against horse racing. I've been working with horses for over 12 years, and my experience has included rehabing an incredible ex-racehorse. I can tell you horror stories about this horse being disconnected from affection, refusing to let anyone touch his ears or head, and eventually retiring him due to old injuries we could not heal. The magnificent and gentle animals are used, abused, and then left for trash if their breeding isn't worth enough money. As a horse enthusiast, I can't describe how many people are shocked to learn that I detest racing. Let's keep fighting this one!!

Posted by: Kelly | May 8, 2008 03:42 PM

I watched the Barbaro fiasco from start to finish, and here we are again...the destruction of an innocent horse. Something is rotten here. PETA....keep up the good fight.

Posted by: Candy | May 8, 2008 04:01 PM

Whoopee! Fred winters is a Realtor now, right from the world of nefarious horse deals.

and cheesy attempts to cover the mountain of despicable behavior & abuse and pretend that the racing world cares about "animal welfare" so they DON'T GET REGULATED and get their tax affairs looked at more closely, and some loopholes closed up

Hope those Disclosure statements get looked at VERY carefully!

Posted by: kelly | May 8, 2008 04:25 PM

Katie are you serious? I have never heard of such a thing! Stupid people! All they care about is money! Thats outrageous!!!! Were they sent to jail? Hmm....maybe a better punishment would be tying their legs to trucks....

Posted by: Sonnet | May 8, 2008 04:46 PM

Quote:"Why was Eight Belles so fragile? Well, horses begin training when their skeletal systems are still growing, and they’re completely unable to deal with pounding their limbs into jelly on a hard track at high speeds. Don't tell me that all those people who "really know about horses" didn't have an inkling that this filly - a filly, no less - was a high risk for serious injuries like the ones she sustained. But she was raced anyway. Any gue$$es as to why?"

I read that P.E.T.A. (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) wants Eight Belles' jockey suspended and are trying to sue the Kentucky Derby for Eight Belles' death.

Now, I'm all for P.E.T.A., and I usually support them in their actions, but to me, this is going too far.

If Eight Belles' jockey realized that she was injured during the race, how could he have possibly pulled her up with 19 other horses on the track? With horses going like 50-60 miles an hour? She and her jockey would have been trampled to death and pulling her up in the middle of the race could have caused catastrophic injuries and even death to the other horses.

This is not like what happened to Ruffian. Ruffian was in a match race with only one other horse, Foolish Pleasure. When she broke her ankle and her jockey began to pull her up, Foolish Pleasure passed her, so when she was finally made to stop, there were no other horses around to trample her or to be injured themselves.

I feel that Eight Belles' jockey did the right thing. If he realized that she had injured herself three quarters of the way around the track, there was no way he could have risked her life and his own life with 19 other horses going as fast as a locomotive.

Furthermore, I also read that P.E.T.A is planning a protest at the Preakness. I state, here and now, that if what P.E.T.A. is planning in any way, causes or leads to the death of any of the racehorses on the track, then they (P.E.T.A.) is no better than the people who they are trying to stop in being cruel to animals.

All in all, I think in this instance that P.E.T.A. needs to mind their own business.

PS: Before you go accusing horse racing for killing Eight Belles, maybe you should look at her pedigree. If you did, you would find that she is the eighth cousin to Ruffian. Ruffian came from Shenanigans and was sired by Reviewer. Reviewer was the last horse who should have been studded out, as he was always breaking down. Please do research before you go around accusing.

Posted by: Lisa Henderson | May 8, 2008 05:16 PM

I like to run too, but only when I feel like it. And I'm not piggybacked by someone cracking a whip when I'm not "enjoying it enough."

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | May 8, 2008 05:23 PM

My comment goes back to Mr. Winters. He says,
"if it could prevent another catastrophic breakdown such as the one you are currently trying to capitalize on."

Clearly this man has no idea what PETA or any other animal activist is trying to accomplish. I believe the one who is CLEARLY CAPITALIZING on anything is you, Mr. Winters with your "I trade horses and breed them so they keep making me money" lifestyle. Believe it or not, the only motive PETA has is to end needless suffering of animals that can't speak for themselves. Sadly, it is people like you that make PETA and others like them have to fight so much harder.

"Very little of the great cruelty shown by men can really be attributed to cruel instinct. Most of it comes from thoughtlessness or inherited habit. The roots of cruelty therefore, are not so much strong as widespread. But the time must come when inhumanity protected by custom and thoughtlessness will succumb before humanity championed by thought. Let us work that this time may come.”—Albert Schweitzer, Nobel Peace Prize Winner

Posted by: Katie | May 8, 2008 05:24 PM

This story has profoundly changed my life. My husband has relatives in KY that are into the 'Derby" big time. They were all excited that day & called my husband, reminding him of 'the big day' and to look for them in the Derby crowd. My sister in law even had a gold charm bracelet started & for every derby she has a charm made of the winning horse.

I refused to watch, noting what happened to Barbaro in 2006. He said I was being silly & that the racehorses were treated better than people, like royalty.

Then Eight Belles broke her two front legs & well... I had to say I told you so to every member of his family that makes fun of my involvement in animal rights. I sent each one of them Peta's petitions to reform horceracing & to suspend the miserable jock who kept whipping poor Eight Belles after she was injured. If they don't appreciate my e-mails too bad I won't pretend the abuse doesn't happen on the track or behind the scenes either.

Posted by: Gina | May 8, 2008 06:03 PM

LOL some of these posts are just ridiculas (no offense...) learn more about horse racing then attack it when you have somthing actually GOOD to say. Alot of these horses are treated like gold or diamonds, very precious to people (even my horse racing stuffed animals are like gold to me!!!) and treated even better then the human treats themselves!!!

"PeTA must have felt all fuzzy inside when this got posted on Internet news."

no they did not, they want publicity like everyone else and for people to listen.

Big Brown was treated like gold, and had a great spirit that is why he would not let the jocky on, he was also tough, people need to confirm these before they enter them in horse races.

Posted by: Why should I tell YOU???? ***Derby supporter*** | May 8, 2008 08:11 PM

In June of 2006, Two champion Racehorses, Favorite Trick and Saratoga Six, burned to death while locked in their barns in New Mexico.The horses that burned to death won millionS of dollars, certainly enough to buy thier own sprinkler system!

Posted by: Mary | May 8, 2008 09:31 PM

Jack, You summed it up very well! Thank You!

Posted by: Gaye Ashley | May 8, 2008 09:33 PM

"The filly wanted so badly to win" ??? Since when does a horse grasp that (human)concept?

Posted by: john carbonaro | May 8, 2008 09:59 PM

You know, guys, the entire issue of horse racing is comparatively unimportant.

Every single year, nine billion (with a B) equally sentient animals are raised in conditions that are, undeniably, vicious beyond compare. --> Meat.org

Gary Francione at Rutgers wrote an excellent article in the Philadelphia Daily News called "We are all Michael Vick," pointing out that most of those who condemned Vick so strongly supported the equally violent abuse of animals on factory farms.

The next time something like this happens, why doesn't PETA make an ad contrasting it with factory farming?

Posted by: Mark Devries | May 8, 2008 10:12 PM

Horses LOVE to run ? If kept penned up in a stall and then let out, I guess they would...not the distances expected of them..God didn't create them to do that...Horses love to eat, sleep, and get outside. Some want to be pleasers to their owners. Why not have straight track racing, such as drag racing in the racecar world? That's a true race of the fastest Another factoid..reining horses are usually under saddle at 18 months of age, as are pleasure class horses. Maybe horse insurance companies should look into what they are insuring and conditions under which they'll pay. It does seem that Big Brown's owner was intent on having his horse win. Some said Eight Belles wasn't bunched up....really? Not true on the taping I have of the Derby. Worked along with a horse vet who admitted wrongdoings occur...ah..the almighty dollar. The younger the horse, maybe the more vet care is necessary. Rest In Peaces Heavens' creatures.

Posted by: DIANE | May 9, 2008 12:11 AM

I am so happy that someone is paying attention to the death of Eight Belles. There is no doubt in my mind that this horse was full of performance drugs because, a horse does not break two legs unless they are running beyond capability. Beyond capacity means the horse was feeling no pain. This horse was a star and I think her shit heal dirt ball trainer and stupid owner had no clue-or maybe she was insured for more than she would bring in as a brood mare. Either way, these guys did this filly wrong and I hope, at some point, she can be vindicted.

Posted by: Lou | May 9, 2008 05:44 AM

Great comment Fred!
I think you hit the nail on the head with you post. It seems to me that many of the facts that are posted on this blog more than likely pretty accurate. However, I'm sure I could research into Mother Teresa's past and find a couple negative instances. But I'n sure we could all agree that Mother Teresa was a great human, she did become a saint!
Anyway, I believe, but not 100% sure, that most of the information gathered on this blog come from website biased to what you want to hear. In other words, there is a mountain of facts that would say the opposite or what gets reported here.
You have to keep in mind that the majority of the people who races horses do not have millions of dollars to buy a new horse season after season. The majority can't afford that, so they must take care of the horses they have in order to turn a profit in this industry. Horses are these people's livelyhoods, so to do anything that would endanger the horse is not fiscally sensable.
I know it is not easy to care for a horse, let alone a race horse.

Posted by: Kurt K | May 9, 2008 08:03 AM

i think this whole situation is rediculouse. the fact that they race horses that are injured is terrible. profesional athleats do as little as pull a muscle and they are out for months in rehab. but people treat horses as if they are cars....just throw some gas in them and they run fine. TERRIBLE. horses need time to recover from injuries too. wouldnt their owner rather them miss a few races rather than DIE?!?! if not...that owner doesnt deserve to come in contact with such a beautiful creature.

Posted by: olivia filippi | May 9, 2008 08:29 AM

i think this whole situation is rediculouse. the fact that they race horses that are injured is terrible. profesional athleats do as little as pull a muscle and they are out for months in rehab. but people treat horses as if they are cars....just throw some gas in them and they run fine. TERRIBLE. horses need time to recover from injuries too. wouldnt their owner rather them miss a few races rather than DIE?!?! if not...that owner doesnt deserve to come in contact with such a beautiful creature.

Posted by: olivia filippi | May 9, 2008 08:29 AM

i don't know if people know this or not but i've seen someone cut a nerve behind a racehorses hoof to keep them from feeling pain when they break a leg. i have a feeling maybe they did this to the horse in the race and that that is why they killed it to avoid punishment. this should be investigated

Posted by: Sarah | May 9, 2008 09:18 AM

Really, everyone here believes this? You don't think people or animals "love to run" even when injured? Read a runner's forum, there are hundreds of posts asking "I have a stress fracture, do I really have to take a month off?" Have you seen wild horses interact? They race each other frequently, and because they are pack animals, are almost always close to each other. And you really think an owner would intentionally send an injured animal to race? They would make a lot more money waiting a month or two for the animal to heal, and race healthy after that, than they would if the horse raced injured, it's just not good business sense.

Posted by: Kate | May 9, 2008 11:46 AM

Maybe you should investigate the Thoroughbred INDUSTRY !! These horses are broke (to ride) when they are 1 yr old & start racing when they are 2, why doesn't this country up the age for starters ie: start @ 3 & "Graded Stakes" @ 4 instead of 2&3 yr old ??!! This is = of a 7 yr old child running distance with a backpack on..

Posted by: A.J. Hubbard | May 9, 2008 01:28 PM

Let Eight Bells ring a warning that the racing industry is reckless and negligent in their guardianship. Until they own up to their own failure to protect Eight Bells from injury PETA will have to help them get honest.

Posted by: joanna | May 9, 2008 01:43 PM

HOLLY THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE NEWS ABOUT ALYDAR'S DEATH, WHICH MAKES ME SICK FOR SUCH A FABLOUS HORSE. PLEASE PEOPLE BOYCOTT THE CANDY QUEEN OF BRACH'S CANDY, WHO HORED LOW LIFES TO DO HORRIFIC THINGS TO HER HORSES SO THAT SHE COULD COLLECT THE INSURANCE MONEY, AND THESE FACTS WERE ON TV. AND LETS BOYCOTT ALL HORSE RACEING AVENTS.

Posted by: SHARIE DELLA | May 9, 2008 02:30 PM

to the derby supporters up here: instead of approving the abuse of such beautiful creatures you should run and jump yourselves - and then you shall see if you think to be treated like gold or rather like precious shit to make money with it!

Posted by: octopus | May 9, 2008 03:16 PM

700 race horses died in 2007 alone. When will the bottom feeders get it right, never, they are too in love with blood money. And many of you on these boards are no better that the bottom feeders.
Great job Jack. We PETA people need to really keep this momention.
By the way,on HBO, May 15, REAL SPORTS with Bryant Gumble
will talk about where these horses go when no longer needed 80to90% of course go to slaughter, and they will be talking about this.FINALLY.
"ALL IN THE NAME OF BARBARO"
Team Barbaro rules.
Peace, for all animals!

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter for Animals | May 9, 2008 04:46 PM

well, as one of the earlier commenters stated... "enough said," seriously, stop all the fluster about this, show evidence for your allegations rather than appealing to emotion. I realize this is cold, but that's what makes it real, YOU NEED PROOF TO ACCUSE PEOPLE OF DOING THESE THINGS.. I would sincerely love to see any evidence you have of widespread horse abuse, something along the lines of, oh i don't know, how these horses are under any more stress than standard bred horses? Most of the comments are erroneous and in fact would be counter claims if you read into the matter.. for horse lovers and trainers, I'm sure you can support my argument that normal horses go through as much, and that an ankle break is a mishap, not a training fault, though I do agree the horses are started too early, most of the other allegations are false. Please, think before you post, please site a source so you don't sound like an emotional dunce.

Posted by: Steven | May 9, 2008 05:53 PM

Anyone who knows anything about horses knows that racing horses are not running because they enjoy it. The race exploits the flight response of what is naturally a prey animal i.e. the response engaged when horses are instinctively running in fear as a herd to escape a predator. The jockey on their back relates to the predator grabbing at the flanks and the starting gates initiate the response, which is essentially that of terror.

This is why a horse with a shattered leg will still try to get up and run - the instinct is to try to show no pain and to keep up with the herd, lest they get taken by the predator.

An animal that loves to run doesn't need to be whipped.

Lastly, all the talk of "welfare" in the horse industry doesn't change the fact that nothing gives humans the right to exploit horses for entertainment. The way you treat a slave is irrelevant; he or she is still a slave.

Posted by: Daily Veg Editor | May 10, 2008 03:44 AM

"Nobody “loves to run” when they’re suffering from bleeding lungs or painful leg injuries, but that doesn’t stop trainers from pumping these animals full of drugs to mask the pain, enhance their performance and just plain keep them going."
I saw theses sentences and wanted to point out that not all horses suffer from 'bleeding lungs' or 'leg injuries.' And not all trainers 'pump these animals full of drugs.' Trust me, HORSES LIKE TO RUN!
Take Rags to Riches for example. She obviuosly loved to run. That's why she beat Curlin in the Belmont. But when she got a hairline fracture, did Todd Pletcher fill her with performance-enhancing drugs? No! He let her rest and finally retired her.
I do agree we could make lighter whips or change the surface of the track to improve horse racing. But we don't need to ban the whole sport.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2008 05:01 PM

Kentucky Derby winner Ferdinand died in a Japanese slaughter house. Owners really love their horses!

Posted by: zipsME | May 11, 2008 01:54 PM

okay heres the thing, listen and dont just start yelling at me. HORSE RACING IS NOT CRUEL. half of you guys (No offence) even know what your talking about. And when i see you guys dissing the only one thing that I want to do when i get older hurts me. You say how there sent to the slaughter house, ya well so are many many other horses in this world that arn't just race horses. I'm 14 and I want to become a trainer when I'm older and i know that I would never EVER do anything to my horses if i know that there not ready. I only like racing because of the horses, not because of the money. I've worked with them and when I've seen them and hugged them and stroked there necks they were the happiest horses in the world. They loved it> they have there ears pricked and eating healthy and there heads were lookin at the track. It may not be the same for all but PLEASE PLEASE don't take away the one thing that I REALLY REALLY care about. It hurts me.

Posted by: Danica | May 11, 2008 07:13 PM

Ivory Tower Intellectualism at its best. Many points have been made here by several people who are familiar with the industry both for and against the fore stated argument. None of these comments where acknowledged (I think once actually) and so the round robin continues. I would like to see something on the lines of "I went down to the local racing stables today and talked with a few hands and handlers...", but since we hold our ivory tower above all forms of actual footwork, let us continue in the vein of logic so highly vaunted in this comment section. They own horses. These horses are a major form of income. This income determines the life they lead. They do not want to harm their money making capabilities. All acceptable truths taken at face value. So we continue with the focus on drug use. Drug use is illegal in race horses. This is also the fact with human athletes. Occasionally a person is found using illegal drugs to help performance, they get caught rarely but major media frenzy ensues. Similar causes and effects occur in the race horse industry. Both acts of using steroids and the like are wrong morally and legally. Perhaps we should piss test the horses before every race? Maybe we should look up the history of equestrian based sports as to have a broader sense of what is going on? But just maybe, MABY, we should get off our high towers and learn what happens below.

Posted by: Carl | May 11, 2008 11:36 PM

As a Thoroughbred owner & breeder in Lexington, KY I am amazed at the hypocrisy in this business. There is nobody, including Fred Winters that can deny abuse of many forms are rampant in this business. Is the use of steroids in this industry (both on the track and on the sales ground) a fact? YES. Are sore horses running evey day? YES. Are too many horses that have no commercial or racing value being bred? YES. Are horses needlessy whipped during races when they have no chance of winning or even placing? YES
This industry will try to make the debate about PETA, but the debate is about the humane treatment of the horse. PERIOD.

Posted by: Leslie Marceau | May 12, 2008 12:28 PM

omg ok this is just getting rediculas now ok all horse owners i have known have all treated their horses with love and care they do not pump them, full of steriods as for one they would be instantly disqualified , second it would be so ovious if the did so get UR FACTS STRAIGHT and even if their are people abusing horses w/e it is such a small majority

Posted by: ozzy | May 13, 2008 06:48 AM

that not right. CRAP LIKE THAT MAKES ME WANT TO KILL MY SELF. jees all they have to do is be nice.

Posted by: melissa | May 13, 2008 11:31 AM