Can't they ever stop!!

I condemn them to hell. Sick bastards

Posted by: Amber Falobas | January 16, 2008 07:12 PM

That's fucking disgusting.

Posted by: Canaduck | January 16, 2008 08:04 PM

Kudos to the brilliant, brave man who lived this day after day, seeing so much suffering, so that we and those who eat birds can see it as well.

Posted by: woody | January 16, 2008 08:30 PM

And all of you anti's out there keep believing that the "Meet Your Meat" video footage is outdated and that slaughterhouses don't engage in inhumane practices anymore...

KFC and Tyson foods are despicable companies!

Posted by: Michele | January 16, 2008 10:20 PM

this video shows a faster way of how things have been done since people have been butchering chickens. I can not see how any one has a problem with this and i love Tyson's chicken.

Posted by: canyon carter | January 17, 2008 01:13 AM

What more evidence do people need? Human nature being what is, compounded with the constant pressure of the line speed makes me believe most other abattoirs aren't much different. Go veg.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | January 17, 2008 11:00 AM

I'm sorry to make a sick situation alittle better, for us here in Manitoba anyway! There's a KFC here that shut their doors down! Just one day woke up and it was GONE!! Down with KFC, DOWN with Tyson and others alike! This brutality must stop and will if these people just do the smallest of requests for a company their size, still even if some have since closed their doors you can still turn things around and do whats right and establish Controlled Atmospher Killing!!

Posted by: Carla | January 17, 2008 11:40 AM

Way to go carter...keep eating the chicken who suffer every second for your tasting buds...they probably don't deserve a better fate right? ain't it what they were put on earth for, to feed us and help us make the most cash as quickly as possible?...aren't we Humans ''the ultimate in all God's creation'' the only living beings who deserve a life without that kind of hell ?
It's always great to see that some people with big hearts like you care...still I bet you wouldn't last an hour in a slaughterhouse...yet,you support it,you encourage it,you give it a reason to continue their totally inhumane ways. So,keep encouraging the meat factory Carter,way to go man!
(do I really have to mention the sarcasm ? mmm probably....)

hope your mind dilates and your heart be more compassionate as welll...

Posted by: you wouldn't get it | January 17, 2008 11:55 AM

Sick bastards!
No good rotton pieces of poop.
I called this group of monsters when I received a text from PETA asking us to call and tell them to stop the torture.
This horrible woman I spoke with had the audacity to say "ALL WAS WELL" between PETA and KFC.
I asked her how could she lie so much, she told me that this was the greatest company she had ever worked for and that they had never been cruel to the chickens.
I asked this brainless wonder nicely to go to PETA and read about this "marvelous" company and just take a look at what these "great humans" do to these poor defenseless chickens, I gave her PETA's web address.
She continued to defend this company.
But maybe, just maybe, if she did view what her company does to these poor babies she might of changed her mind.
There is always hope.

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter for Animals | January 17, 2008 12:35 PM

canyon carter, hope you're also digging those little extra gifts Tyson so generously includes with their chickens for you: bits and pieces of fecal matter.

Well, bon appetit!... I guess.

Meat eaters have all the fun - no fair!

Posted by: VS | January 17, 2008 12:42 PM

Sick as per usual with these suppliers!

Posted by: John Carmody | January 17, 2008 01:59 PM

I am sorry. Are we talking about the treatment of a chicken moments before it is slaughtered? I think there are so many greater cases of REAL animal abuse happening. This seems a little petty considering the circumstances.

Posted by: Mike | January 17, 2008 02:45 PM

canyon carte

Obviously you are lacking compassion for chickens and other sentient beings to make such a crude and insensitive remark about how these chickens are slaughtered. Your apathy is revolting!

Posted by: Ana | January 17, 2008 04:07 PM

Canyon Carter:
People "have a problem with this" because it IS done so fast that chickens often go through the scalding tanks still alive when they're supposed to be dead by that time. Things go so fast that the guy who's supposed to cut their throats doesn't always get to each and every chicken. People "have a problem" with Tyson's, among other things, because they supply the KFC slaughterhouses who were recently caught on film jumping up and down on chickens and stomping on their heads. Finally, people "have a problem" with all of this because it's cruel, causing unnecessary suffering and distress to beings that have done nothing to merit that treatment.

Posted by: Susannah S | January 17, 2008 05:45 PM

I am just glad that someone else does it for me! I love chicken! Perdue, Tyson .... It is always on our table at least 5 times a week. I never thought that this part of the process would be very pretty. I can't imagine that any meat processing is very fun and family friendly! It isn't Disney for goodness sake! Buck up PETA and just realize that no matter how hard you try, you are not going to stop us true meat eaters. As a matter of fact, I have to go and make dinner, and guess what we are having?

Posted by: Kristin | January 17, 2008 06:13 PM

How can they keep getting away with this!?!?

For YEARS??!?!?

Isn't there anything that can be done??

You know the PETA stuff has just jaded me so...

I am a regular viewer of "Animal Precinct" on Animal Planet. There's always a happy ending so I can watch it.

However the episode last night was a little different. The ASPCA officer stopped a chicken truck, you know, with live chickens on it. They were being delivered different places around NYC.

It was winter time and the officer was concerned because the cases the chickens were in were not covered with some kind of big sheet they are supposed to be covered with.

The driver told him that the cover was on, but taken off at the last stop and not put on since it was not far back.

The officer searched and found several dead chickens.

Long story short:

He took some of the dead chickens, and they were necropsied and found that , even though they did "not look that great" (missing feathers, etc). ..that the chickens had frozen to death. He tracked down the driver and arrested him for animal cruelty.

But I kept thinking the whole time: What's the point? Those chickens are just going to be tortured in the slaughterhouse...I just didn't ( and really don't) get it.

It needs to stop.

Posted by: Tamara | January 17, 2008 07:16 PM

Lettuceheads. You are as naive as one can possibly be. Think you get extra IQ points by mis-identifying points & pulling businesses into your web? Why did your '007' not report the abuses up the management chain as he indicated he would when he signed such document when he was hired. Some of the video was obviously taken out of context and interpreted to suit your rant. Grow up, get a legitimate job & try to break your addiction to bottom feeding.

Posted by: deckcaptain | January 17, 2008 10:07 PM

there are always heartless people in this world like canyon carter - they are from yesterday and history is passing by - letting them far behind! PETA is on the right side with hundreds of thousands of great hearts and brains of all times and time shall show it! nobody can fascistically force on us this kind of crimes just because they are backward- and hellbound!

Posted by: balsamo | January 18, 2008 01:57 AM

this dont surprise me about tyson foods all they care about is MONEY. IF THEY ARE WRONG THEY NEED TO BE FINED HEAVILY OR CLOSED DOWN.IF THEY DONT CARE ABOUT THERE EMPLOYEES WHAT MAKE YOU THINK THEY CARE ABOUT THE CHICKENS

Posted by: COOKIE | January 18, 2008 07:20 AM

Great point Michele! I can't believe there is so much focus and energy on this with all of the bigger animal issues currently going on everywhere. With the money spent on this ridiculous circus side show, do you know how many pets we could have kept from being euthanised in animal shelters? And no one eats them!

Posted by: Mike | January 18, 2008 10:14 AM

Canyon- you must be joking. You're joking right?

Posted by: Kyrstin | January 18, 2008 10:49 AM

People have feelings! Well assholes so do chickens! Fuck Tyson and KFC who think theyre good enough to torture animals just to make money! If killing your neighbor is murder, killing an animal is too!!!

Posted by: Allison | January 18, 2008 03:51 PM

When will people realise that just feeling sorry for them wont stop the torture you have to ACT, stop eating meat, organise protests, raise awarness what if you were that chicken

Posted by: Emma J | January 18, 2008 05:29 PM

Right on Allison.
Right on.

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter for Animals | January 18, 2008 06:26 PM

oh my gosh thats revolting

Posted by: Stephanie | January 18, 2008 07:06 PM

oh my gosh thats revolting

Posted by: Stephanie | January 18, 2008 07:06 PM

I am just wondering...what are all the people (like Mike) doing to help those pets in need of rescuing? instead of posting negative comments...practice what you preach, ass.

Posted by: Vegancakes | January 18, 2008 09:08 PM

Carla: Wow! Good for Manitoba! How I wish we could put KFC out of business here!

Posted by: Susannah S | January 18, 2008 09:22 PM

Kristin: I challenge you to go to a slaughter house and watch chickens being "prepared" for the family table. I guarantee that you will come out of that experience singing a different tune.

Posted by: Susannah S | January 19, 2008 09:40 AM

Mike,

In case you are unaware, the chicken is by far the most slaughtered animal in America—so yeah, the most humane slaughter possible is a big deal.

As a matter of fact, Kristin, I have to go and make lunch, and guess what we are having?

I think this is my own creation.
Per person you need approx. 14 oz of red kidney beans, 1/4 block of extra firm tofu (extra firm has more protein), your favourite style of whole wheat or multigrain pasta and spaghetti sauce (homemade, or I use Hunt's Think n' Rich).

To the sauce add the kidney beans and heat. Add the chopped-up tofu to the sauce later. Cook the pasta to taste and then put on plate. Add the sauce mix and voila. You guys have to try it.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | January 19, 2008 12:54 PM

We are the Beautiful People on this site, never forget that.
Look into your souls that tells a beautiful story.
Those below have no idea what a soul means.
------------------------------
Here are the bottom feeders,
deckcaptain,has no boat
Kristin, needs to grow a brain. Canyoncarter,helpless.
These people slither around begging, these people are the true BOTTOMFEEDERS, AND YOU MUST STAY AWAY FROM THEIR FILTH that they spew.
We now know that they are the typical BULLY'S.They crawl beside Bushies,feet they are called BUSHIES
Let's ignore them and allow them to spew as they slither around, don't worry they can't bite they have yet to earn their teeth, thats why they are called the "Bottom Feeders."

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter for Animals | January 19, 2008 05:15 PM

Ha ha the IQ comment was a gem, it's been proven that veggies have higher IQs than the general public, aside from that, I will say that people will continue to eat meat but there is no reason that the industry has to be so cruel about it. If you're a hardened carnivore, you can still demand that animals get treated with compassion and respect the way human hunter-gatherers have treated them since the begining of time.

Posted by: Aga | January 19, 2008 06:19 PM

THATS WHY i EAT AS LITTLE MEAT AS I CAN AND DONT EAT FROM TYSON OF KFC there are many veggie and soy foods out there and they taste awsome

Posted by: James | January 20, 2008 02:05 AM

if PETA says its "natural" for a wild cheeta on the african plains to hunt down, savagely tear apart, and eat its prey, then i see nothing wrong with humans eating animals! humans ARE animals!

Posted by: stop the lies | January 20, 2008 02:25 PM

ugh those poor chickens...:(

Posted by: Anonymous | January 20, 2008 08:32 PM

Thank you vegetarians! The less meat you eat, the cheaper mine is, and the more I can buy!

Posted by: Joseph | January 20, 2008 10:16 PM

These kinds of stories have caused me to no longer eat meat, although I love it. These animals do not deserve to be treated like this at all. People are cruel.

Posted by: Kay | January 20, 2008 11:17 PM

Tamara, if you had half a brain, you'd know that none of the content was taken out. This is the full perspective. It is what it is.

People like you make me fear for humanity. My suggestion? Stop hiding behind your little keyboard and get out... and a job obviously.

Posted by: John | January 21, 2008 12:47 AM

Stop the lies,

Yes humans are animals, but no all animals are carnivores like the cheetah. Can you hunt down, savagely tear apart and eat your prey raw with your claws and fangs? Our meat-based diet doesn't seem to be doing wonders for our health.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | January 21, 2008 01:48 PM

kristin, deckcaptain, stop the lies, joseph and the rest of you idiotic nonthinking bunch: as you got already pre-historic stone hearts and heads i wish you from all my heart a stone body for your next lifes and for the next 200 million years! you petrified jerks - stonecarved wankers!

Posted by: octopus | January 21, 2008 03:37 PM

I just got a lengthy letter from Tyson's to the effect that they "always" treat animals in a humane fashion and that they've commissioned Temple Grandin to help them make things better, that if any -ANY (emphasized) - of their workers were found to be violating humane practices they'd be fired. I got this letter in return to a letter I sent them, stating that they've violated the LAW many times, let alone "humane principles", when it comes to the treatment of their chickens. It's so striking to me that these companies really do believe that we'll believe them, just because they SAY they're doing the right thing. Stick to them, PETA, like white on rice, and more power to you!

Posted by: Susannah S | January 21, 2008 05:50 PM

Joseph, the reasons your meat is so "cheap" have nothing to do with people adopting a vegetarian diet. These are just some of the reasons why meat is not more expensive than it is: 1. factory-farmed animals are given growth hormones to grow as fast as possible, to be mass produced - gross! 2. the pressure to slaughter more animals has led to less scrutiny by inspectors (government officials or slaughterhouse operators) so the meat may be contaminated, but the people inspecting the carcasses have just a few SECONDS to check each animal - so things like tumours may get missed - wow, that sounds yummy! 3. Cost-cutting measures also include not allowing slaughterhouse workers proper breaks (because that would slow down the production line), so they use the slaughterhouse floor for urinating, defecating and vomiting - woo, that just gets my appetite going!!! 4. Cost-cutting measures also mean that animals that fall off the line (often because they are flailing around, as many are still alive at that point, due to improper stunning methods) just get put right back up there, after they have been dragged through the urine, feces and vomit - is any of this getting through to you???? Oh, and when they try to "wash" the animals off after going through the line, it just spreads any contamination over a larger area on the carcass.

So you meat eaters can take your growth hormones, vomit, tumours, as well as your heart disease, obesity, diabetes, osteoporosis and high cholesterol. I'll stick to food that did not have a face.

Posted by: Michele | January 21, 2008 07:41 PM

FUCK YOU TYSON! GO TO HELL BASTARDS!

Posted by: samantha balk | January 22, 2008 12:48 AM

aga, yes the IQ study was hilarious. Wasn't that the one where 23% of the vegetarians nominated fish or chicken as part of their diet?
The conundrum is did these people raise or lower the average?

I agree with your stance on treating the animals who are to die with respect and compassion. We have the ability to kill painlessly, and corners should not be cut.

Posted by: rojo | January 22, 2008 07:35 AM

I, I hate to admit, eat meat, I have tried to become a vegetarian and just can't manage to stay with it. However, I do love animals...there are not one single reason that an animal has to be treated cruely! I understand that the animal must be killed, but this should be done in the most humanly way possible. Those poor chickens and all of those poor animals being abused and neglected. I DO NOT EAT AT KFC because of their abuse. There is no excuse for abuse!!

Posted by: Irene | January 22, 2008 12:48 PM

kickass strikes again!!!

aga, rojo

hit the road with your animal welfare shit!! humane slaughter!!! get the hell going!!!
peta's site is for animal rights folks who don't give a rats ass about animal welfare!!!

Posted by: kickass | January 22, 2008 01:54 PM

i dont understand whats wrong with people in this world. im so sick of watching how people make animals suffer, its disturbing and gross. its so unfair what they can get away with but if it was done towards another person it would be a different story. i think people should be punished the way they make an animal suffer so they can feel the pain theyve caused an innocent helpless animal to feel. there is NO need to slaughter and torture animals!

Posted by: KARLA | January 22, 2008 02:22 PM

This is cruel and disgusting. And the way they talk about the poor birds-who do they think they are. And after seeing someone peeing the machinary it makes my hairs go up on my back what else they could of done
, whilst the investigator was not there. Overall anyone who decides to eat kfc(although you are sickly and distugusting) should always go for a leg or wing. They cant take the meat off the bone and put it back on. Imagine whats in the popcorn chicken-ewwwwwwwww!

Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2008 04:07 PM

Tell you what PETA followers. I have been reading down your blog here and all I see is how cruel it is for people to kill animals, red meat is bad for you and shit like that. You point out little things like vegans have higher IQ's than "meat eaters". You talk nothing but hate towards "meat eaters" and the workers in the factories trying to make a living to feed their families. Give the workers in the factories a break, they are not all crueal. In these undercover investigations, it will show one person out of thousands being cruel to a chicken and you group the whole lot together. In your self-righteousness you curse people who don't share your point-of-view, you want to close hundreds of factories that provide incomes for thousands of American workers. For a loving bunch, you sure spew alot of hate speech and bigotry. You ask why "meat eaters" come to this blog. Because we want to see what you have to say and when we read the shit you say we understand how insane you truly are. The purpose of a blog is to have dialogue b/t opposing opinions so they can understand each other. It is not a place to blow each other about how you agree the "meat eaters" are dumb and backwards people. You compare human life to that of a chicken, a cow or a bird. You curse the human race for the cruelity and lack of compassion it shows towards "other" living beings. Yet you use things that are man-made without regret or second thought. I've seen you call religious people hypocritical for eating meat, because according to some of you Jesus and his diciples were vegitarians and condemed the slaughter of animals for consumption. It seems to me that many of care very little for the human race and care even less about the millions of kind, honest, hard working, patriotic, God loving people that inhabit the land. It seems your one goal in life is to back a organization that prides itself on shock value to get attention, where the message is less important the image. Correct me if I'm wrong!

Posted by: Freddy | January 22, 2008 05:00 PM

kickass returns!!!

listen up, Freddy!! you have fucking nerve judging us!!! nobody asked you for your opinions 'cause you don't know what the hell is going on! read about the animal torturers, animal experimenters, pouring poisons down animals throats, gutting them while still alive, anally electrocuting animals for their fur, planting electrodes in animals heads while fully awake, scalding chickens while alive, setting dogs and cats on fire with gasoline, caging animals until they go mad, hoisting hogs by the neck with a crane to kill them, sewing kittens eyes shut. See the videos "Meet your Meat" See "Earthlings" Find out all about this and more done by "sane" and insane assholes until you get sick to your fucking stomach.
unless you are one of those sick "God loving" bastards who does these tortures and knows shit for an opinion!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2008 08:10 PM

i agree i eat meat and for those of you who haven't tried it its good and seeing as we are omnivores we eat BOTH so don't mouth a person who eats meat and i wont laugh at you for making a blog about chickens. If you would stop putting your videos in a weird low lighting dirty view maybe we could actually see the cruelty you keep ranting about.

Posted by: john | January 22, 2008 09:47 PM

Perhaps you should draw up a bill of rights for the darling animals! Then get a thousand signatures from the ones you seek to protect. Because they know what the hell is going on and probably want you guys to stand up for them. Why don't we work for world peace first! Then the animals will have their day!

Posted by: Animal Rights? | January 22, 2008 10:26 PM

Okay Freddy, you are wrong.

You clearly only see things on a superficial level, and do not understand that the hate and anger you describe is basically intense passion from people who are continually horrified as to what the human race has done and continues to do to its fellow earthlings.

They are venting, in an appropriate forum, because they get frustrated when they see situations like this with KFC and Tyson continuing their unbelievably disgusting practices of DELIBERATELY hiding what REALLY goes on behind closed doors, despite the mounting evidence against them.

They are frustrated when people like you simply say "oh well, that's the way things have always been", and "oh well, they're just chickens", etc, etc.

They are frustrated when people turn a blind eye to animal abuse.

They are frustrated when people, who are presented with REAL video evidence, conveniently say "oh well, it must have been edited to look that way" or "that's old footage, things aren't like that anymore".

They are frustrated when people outright ignore scientific evidence about animal intelligence and emotions.

They are frustrated when people throw out the old religion card, saying that it's okay because "Jesus ate fish", etc. Since when do we condone behaviour solely based on what someone said was okay thousands of years ago anyway????

The bottom line is, humans who continue to use animals for food, entertainment, testing, and clothing, are speciesists.

Oh, and our goal in life is to end animal abuse, period, whether it inconveniences people or not.

And if you have not figured out all of this after reading PETA's blogs (maybe you are basing your comments on this particular topic and have not actually taken the time to read through the thousands of comments over the past year or so), then you will never figure it out.

Posted by: Michele | January 22, 2008 11:02 PM

kickass said:
"peta's site is for animal rights folks who don't give a rats ass about animal welfare!!! "

So why are they doing what they do? So the animals get free education? Opportunity to vote? Low cost housing?

What is peta(or any liberation group) for if not to provide a better life for animals? If you contemplate it for a moment you might realise that it all boils down to welfare.

strike 2.

Posted by: rojo | January 23, 2008 05:51 AM

animal welfare=larger cages

animal rights= no cages

Posted by: Ana | January 23, 2008 12:04 PM

yes ana, but why do you want no cages? I think that your perception of animal rights is for the animals to skip merrily through the tulips, but you feel that that somehow this is "animal rights" and not welfare related. You are not thinking of why you WANT animal rights in the first place, it all boils down to welfare. If it weren't for the cases of abuse that do exist what reason would Peta have for it's existence?

Posted by: rojo | January 24, 2008 08:53 AM

kickass says:

rojo, yeah you got it!!!! yeah that's our goals!! you catch on too quick!!! us animal libbers want animals to go on welfare, have low cost housing, food stamps too!!!!
listen up bud!!! animal welfare for a better caged life and oxymoron humane slaughter is whimpy bullshit!!!!
animal lib: no cages. no experimenting. no killing for fur. no circuses with animals. no slaughterhouses. no poaching. no canned hunts. no eating dead animals like a flock of circling vultures. no killing. period!!!!!
animal libbers: fearless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

animal welfare: who gives a shit as long as animals are treated good along the way.....
animal welfarers: only gutless whimps need apply!!!

kickass royal flush beats all of rojos strikeouts!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | January 24, 2008 09:53 AM

Ana

And animal liberation=?

Posted by: Caboose | January 24, 2008 04:41 PM

hey asskick,
Don't do much in depth thinking, do you? read the context, only someone like you would miss the subtleties of it all.

Posted by: rojo | January 25, 2008 07:52 PM

You people destroy what credibility you have when you edit footage and use it to hurt people. I'm not talking about Tyson or KFC, I'm talking about the good people who work there. I know that these poultry companies have extensive animal welfare programs in place....but you don't care about them. There are reasons that explain everything in that clip, but your agenda doesn't permit explanations.

If a sick person does something cruel, that's not a company directive to be cruel.
Your informant probably got that idiot say all that about torturing birds, which isn't proof that it happened. Why didn't he get video evidence of all the things that person said he did? He has nothing. He shows workers using knives to kill chickens (did anybody not know that happened?) and then says that those are only the abuses he managed to catch on tape. Hmmmm....sorry bud, you're going to have to do better than that.

People urinating in the room with the live chickens is like a cowboy using the bathroom in a herd of cows and suggesting it's not safe to eat hamburger. You people are clueless to reality. It's not your fault really, you simply aren't qualified to make the statements you make. You don't care about facts, because you have an agenda.
You're trying to achieve something that will NEVER HAPPEN. The meat industry isn't going anywhere.

Your informant is an elitist liar. It's cute that he has his voice altered to protect his identity. Doesn't he realize that people know who he is? His friends and family knows who he is, and surely Tyson knows who he is. He's not some ground breaking journalist. He's just a pawn paid off by the veggie-pimps.

I don't support cruelty. I love animals. But, there is a difference between torturing innocent animals and humanely harvesting animals that YOU RAISED FOR FOOD!

Your "investigator" could do MORE good if he remained at the facility and simply tried to be a good worker and done his job correctly. He's obviously not THAT commited to preventing animal cruelty, is he? He would rather try to get poor immigrant workers fired from their jobs. Big man, indeed. I'm sure he's proud.

Posted by: Saxon | January 27, 2008 12:32 AM

Saxon: So--if an animal is raised for food, he no longer feels any pain?

Posted by: Antigone1000 | January 28, 2008 03:44 AM

Saxon: First of all, there is nothing humane about factory farming. Second of all, eating animals and animal products is not as healthy for humans as is being vegan. Finally--what right do you, or does anyone else, have to raise other beings so that you can kill them? Every being has the right to live his/her own life in peace and that includes non-human beings. Humans are only part of this world, not the reason for its existence as we like to think.

Posted by: Antigone1000 | January 28, 2008 03:48 AM

Saxon: He SHOULD be proud--he does great work! :-)

Posted by: Antigone1000 | January 28, 2008 10:51 PM

I personally worked for Tyson Corporate Headquarters for 2 years and officially became a vegan after witnessing first hand what is put in the grain for these animals. Seeing millions of baby chicks at the hatchery crammed into tiny crates-screaming for their lives. I'm sorry if people think "it's just a chicken" They feel too you idiots! Then I got a fun little tour to the slaughterhouses and have never witnessed such horror. I cannot, as a compassionate person who loves life, eat another living being unless I was starving. It's not necessary and Tyson is a greedy, disgusting company that does what is meant to do-feed the fat obese meat loving, mad cow lickin, selfish people of the world. Get a brain and be conscious of your choices people. Go VEG

Posted by: Veggiegirl | January 30, 2008 02:19 PM

I would rather starve to death than ever eat meat again. Veggiegirl, you are one of the good people who made changes in their lives after witnessing the horrors of the slaughterhouse. I have never personally seen one, though the video footage I have seen over the past couple of years and the book "Slaughterhouse" give me a pretty good idea of what goes on. After seeing/reading all of that, I still cannot believe that there are so many people who are willing to kill animals in such a manner. I would be curious to know how many slaughterhouse workers and/or inspectors suffer from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder...

Posted by: Michele | January 30, 2008 04:28 PM

Michele

"Veggiegirl, you are one of the good people who made changes in their lives after witnessing the horrors of the slaughterhouse."

Does eating meat make me a bad person?

Posted by: Kurt K | January 31, 2008 09:25 AM

I didn't say these animals don't feel pain. However, they woudn't even be alive if the companies didn't have them bred, hatched, fed and raised.

Also...the companies have extensive animal welfare programs, and the birds are stunned before slaughter.

This coward informant, like in most industries, was trained to report animal abuses to his Supervisor. It's obvious he didn't do it. He double crossed his employer by not reporting them. Of course, most of his claims are bogus and will be laughed at by the meat industry.

Any animal abuses are made by sick people AND NOT condoned by Tyson, Pilgrim's Pride, or any other poultry company.

Sadly for you all, this is America and Americans will eat fried chicken..or baked chicken...or grilled chicken.
I want you all to try and understand something that you just don't get, I think.
Unlike other industries, the poultry business is driven by VOLUME. They aren't going to grow and slaughter less chicekns no matter how many of you decide to "go vegetarian". You aren't changing anything with all your efforts, aside from the fact this investigator probably cost that poor old man his job by editing him. The informant is a deceitful liar.

Posted by: Saxon | February 2, 2008 02:45 PM

By the way, Antigone1000

Do I have the right to kill animals so that people can eat? Uhh....yeah, I do.

Unlike you, I don't put the value of chickens over people. You are in the VAST minority, by the way.

You say you saw baby chicks screaming for their lives?
That's just stupid. They would be peeping no matter where they were at that point.

These animals are, to put it bluntly, not very aware of anything. Turkeys drown when it rains because they look up to see what just poked them in the head. Chickens will stand there while other chickens are killed. I don't even think they fear too much, either. They may run, but they have no clue what's going on. They run because of instinct.

You people really need to get ahold of yourselves. You shouldn't let yourself be so hurt by all this. Things really aren't that bad. The animals are unaware, and their death is quick and painless in almost all instances. Unaware, stunned, and quick death. We should all be that lucky when our time comes.

Posted by: Saxon | February 2, 2008 02:53 PM

Saxon: Are you so insecure that you need to assert your superiority to a chicken???? I don't understand your attitude because I am secure enough to realize that I do not lose anything by acknowledging the inherent value in each and every being on this planet, I guess because I am intelligent and ambitious enough to realize I will never lose my job to a chicken. You seem to lack that confidence.

Posted by: Antigone1000 | February 4, 2008 09:35 PM

Antigone1000..

I think I'm enlightened by your response. I see that it's impossible to discuss things with you. There is NO common ground between us. I don't have a problem with people eating animals, and you put the value of a chicken on the same plane as a human.

In your mind, my standpoint doesn't come from a realistic understanding of the world and our eating habits...but rather comes from the fact that I'm "insecure". You are confident, whereas I feel the need to assert my superiority over a chicken. Next, you'll probably tell me that I want to kill and eat animals to compensate for my penis.

Look, everything I've said on this blog is the truth. You don't have to like it, but it's the truth. I know it isn't what you want to hear, but it's the truth.

I don't hate chickens.

Take my word for it...I'm qualified to talk about the Poultry industry. I'm not blindly debating you people....I'm describing the situation with great accuracy. The death is quick and painless. Millions of people eat healthy protein because of the poultry industry.

We were given charge over animals by GOD. We're obligated to treat them with respect, but we have every right to eat.

You say that you can see
"the inherent value in each and every being on this planet". If that's all the PETA stood for, I wouldn't be here right now.

PETA hurts people. Do you know that? You enforce your views on real people with real lives. You hurt people, and it's all driven with the engine of your ignorance about the very animals you want to protect.

Companies like Tyson and Pilgrim's Pride employ thousands of people...give them jobs and insurance and careers...and Christmas presents for their children.

You people sit so high and mighty you can't even see the people involved in all this.

I'm proud to say that we have nothing in common.

Posted by: Saxon | February 6, 2008 10:03 PM

Saxon: I do not understand why people like you feel you need to choose btw humans and animals instead of understanding that we all work together in this ecosystem. And I really hate when you try to justify your atrocious treatment of animals by invoking God's name. There are many people who know much more about God than you ever will (Dalai Lama, Gandhi) who understand that God does not sanction what we do to animals. If God intended for us to eat them, he would have made us carnivores instead of omnivores. We would not be able to live without animal products in that case. Stop asserting your "right" to mistreat animals as some kind of badge of honor bestowed upon you by God.

Posted by: Antigone1000 | February 7, 2008 11:22 AM

Here here Saxon! That is what I have been trying to say in some of my past posts. I think you said it the way I was trying. Well done!

Posted by: Kurt K | February 7, 2008 01:03 PM

Antigone1000...

I would argue that the Dalai Lama and Ghandi are/were free to make their own decisions. However, if they were to use the Bible as the ultimate authority within the context of this debate....then they would be forced to agree with my post.

I'm invoking the name of GOD BECAUSE you keep suggesting that we have no "right" to eat animals. I say that we have a right. I also said that we were obligated to treat them with respect.

To be honest, part of the reason I brought up GOD was to stir things up. I have a feeling a lot of PETA people fall into the far left view of things...talking about GOD in real terms tends to make those people uncomfortable.

I DO believe that animals and humans fit in together in this ecosystem, just like you do (hey...we agree on something). You should be aware, of course, that animals in the wild rip each other from limb to limb...they eat each other to survive. Sometimes, animals eat people. I wonder why your perfect view of the world doesn't seem to register the obvious flaws in your belief system? Look at the way animals in the wild behave and tell me that we aren't allowed to eat them. They eat each other.

By the way, you seem to have admited that we were made Omnivores. That means that we were made to eat both veggies and meat. Did that statement you just get your "PETA" card revoked??

Thanks Kurt K. It's not really fair..these people are so far off the mainstream. They need to grow up. They aren't going to change anything....other than the fact that the coward informant probably cost some people their jobs because they urinated in the corner of a live room that was already covered in fecal, feathers, and DOA birds. Sterile urine in that room didn't hurt anything. Heck, those rooms are practically OUTSIDE, for goodness sake.
The idiot says, "who knows where the urine ended up". It surely ended up in a waste water facility.

What a moron!

Posted by: Saxon | February 8, 2008 12:11 AM

Saxon: Being an omnivore means you CAN eat meat, but you are not required to, and studies have shown that a vegetarian diet is better for humans. The ability to eat meat is most likely a left-over feature from our less evolved days. FYI--The Bible is NOT the ultimate authority on anything (to some, the Koran is, for example) and the Bible is always interpreted favorably to the desires of the person interpreting it. (Don't forget, the Bible was once used to justify slavery.) So--I am not uncomfortable with talking about God, just bothered by people using His name to justify their unjust behavior. If you feel PETA is so insignificant, why are you concerned enough to continue posting? Move on to a redneck board or something like that where people share your antiquated views and you can look like a genius.

Posted by: Antigone1000 | February 8, 2008 04:43 PM

Antigone, I don't think you quite understand what Saxon is saying, or at least you choose not to understand. I know you seem to want to be able to call him a redneck, abuse his religious beliefs, and blow off his point of view, but that just kind of makes you sound like an butt-head. Sorry, but this is coming from a fairly non-biased POV here, so maybe you should stop a minute and actually see what he's saying instead of straining it through whatever filter you normally use to justify your ideals. Saxon sounds like someone who might actually work in a poultry factory or at least in the industry. I should think he would know WAY more about how animals in such a place are treated than you do. After all, he probably goes there every day to actually work rather than wave signs and judge people.

It sounds like one of your guys was hired in their company and did an "expose" on the evils of the poultry industry. The problem is, instead of being truthful, he edited together the footage he received and made it out to be something it wasn't. In fact, because of this guy, some people probably lost their jobs. That goes above and beyond being concerned for any animal's welfare, that is JUST. PLAIN. WRONG. Because someone from PETA decided that a lie would further their own agenda, or at least the agenda of the group, some poor schlub is now out of a job. That means he has no insurance, his family may not have any income coming in, and maybe- just maybe - it means that because someone doesn't like to eat meat, that someone's life has been crapped on. Well, BRAVO. Bravo to the brave people who think that a chicken is worth more than a man's life and welfare. Why don't you find out how many people lost their jobs over this stupid act and maybe do a little sign waving for them. I don't care what you eat, that is a terrible, terrible, terrible thing to do.

As for whether or not a vegetarian diet is better for you...so what? That doesn't mean everyone is going to become a vegetarian and therefore, a stunt like this isn't really going to make a dent in the meat eating world. In fact, there are probably a few people who are going to go buy a very large bucket of chicken and enjoy it for dinner just to spit in PETA's eye. I know non-vegetarians who watch things like this on TV while eating a hamburger, so it's practically pointless.

Also, if you are at all familliar with the bible, the part of it that tells people what to eat is not really worded in a way to be interpreted wrongly. It pretty much flat out states that whatever you eat is fine by God. That also means, whatever you don't eat is fine by God. So, you know, if this guy is Christian, and the Bible is his ultimate authority, then I'm pretty sure he has the right to follow what it says. Even if you don't like it or agree.

My whole point is, Saxon isn't ignorant or pig headed, he's mad. Mad because a lie, and yes, I think most people could see what happened as a lie, cost someone their lively hood. Maybe that great PETA "investigative reporter" could go along after those people who lost their jobs and set their houses on fire, too. That sounds about his speed, after-all.

Honestly, I think it would be more productive if PETA chose less destructive ways to get their points across.

Posted by: Pamplemousse | February 9, 2008 10:09 AM

Antigone...

Either I went to far in my last post, or the admin guy went to sleep...but they haven't allowed my response.
I'll retype...the short version.

You called me a "Redneck". Contrary to popular belief, the term comes from people who suffer from Pellagra (more common in the "old days"). It's a disorder that causes the skin to turn a pinkish color. It results from a lack of dietary niacin and protein.

In other words, "Rednecks" could benefit from eating more meat.

I won't bring up the Bible anymore. I don't care to read you rip it in order to argue your point of view.

In closing, I'll add that I don't need to go to another board to feel like a genius. After reading your posts, along with Michele, Veggiegirl, and Samantha Balk...I feel like a genius here.

Posted by: Saxon | February 12, 2008 09:00 PM

Antigone...

Let me add this too.

Is a vegetarian diet better for you? I'll concede that is some respects, it is.

However, any studies that try to illustrate that point are probably comparing vegetarian diets to meat heavy diets with bad cuts of meat and improperly prepared. The person performing the study is probably a vegetarian. I could do a study where someone who ate turkey, chicken, and lean beef would be shown to be healthier.

By the way, are you aware of the common practices of your average produce picker in the field, or perhaps the international farmers who are exporting products (avocados, for example)into this country that were fertilized with human waste?

Don't get me started on organic foods.

I don't have a problem in the world with vegetarian diets, to be honest with you. If they've been adopted due to health concerns OR because someone can't stand the thought of eating animals. I personally have no problem with that.

Of course, PETA isn't doing all of this because they're concerned with anyone's health.

Pamplemousse, I appreciate your support, and you're very perceptive. I am mad about all of this. Going in circles here may not make any difference, but it feels good to make a stand against PETA's bullies.

Posted by: Saxon | February 13, 2008 11:23 PM

Just goes to show that you're a redneck. and I mean that in the sense of an uneducated person who needs to stress his superiority over someone, anyone so that he can escape the reality that he just might be the lowest form of being.

Posted by: Antigone1000 | February 14, 2008 01:18 AM

Antigone
That is like the pot calling the kettle black!

Posted by: Kurt K | February 14, 2008 03:26 PM

Kurt K: People who fear giving rights to animals in this day and age have the same mentality as those who feared giving equal rights to blacks in the time of slavery. I absolutely see people with that mindset as being less enlightened/intelligent. You don't because you are one of them.

Posted by: Antigone1000 | February 14, 2008 07:32 PM

Antigone...

You've been reduced to common name calling. Your last post doesn't make any sense that I can discern. I don't mind the name calling, but please try to include a thought (or as close to one as you can manage) so that I can respond to something.

You say that my post proves that I'm a redneck.
You then define redneck as someone uneducated (how am I uneducated) who feels the need to stress my superiority over someone (you had JUST insulted me...I was responding to you). I think you described yourself with that definition.

I'm willing to let this Blog collapse into simple name calling, if that's all you can come up with at this point.

I'm educated, I think my posts illustrate that. Do I feel the need to stress my superiority over someone? How can you even ask that and be a member of PETA? THAT'S WHAT PETA DOES. You all tell us that we're backwards and uneducated, and then pat yourself on the back for it while hurting complete strangers.

I don't think I'm superior to anyone. However, it's hard not to feel superior to you when I read this blog. By your own posts, we have learned that you are of no more value than a chicken.
What are we supposed to think of you?

To be honest, I don't really mind being called a redneck by you. I think we can safely define a redneck as "someone with views opposite of Antigone".

I would like Kurt K and Pamplemousse join me in saying the following:

Yee-haw!

Posted by: Saxon | February 14, 2008 09:45 PM

Thank you for recognizing that a redneck and I have opposing views. I agree wholeheartedly. And, no, I do not think your posts illustrate your intelligence. If you were intelligent, you would not waste your time on an animal rights board where you are not ever going to sway the opinion of one single animal rights person. That is like me going into a church in which I don't believe and asking them to change their doctrine instead of finding a church I can support. No--I don't find you intelligent at all.

Posted by: Antigone1000 | February 15, 2008 08:13 PM

Antigone...

You make me laugh. You argue like a high school freshman that hasn't ever been on her own in the real world. Your posts are the same thing over and over again....all the rest of the world is just living in fear and we're not as enlightened as you are.

I think you've gone too far now that you're equating slavery with the poultry industry.

Perhaps you can get some of your PETA friends to come back on this blog and help out your cause. I know, I know....this blog is over 1 month old and the rest of the country has already moved on and forgotten this little incident....but maybe you can talk them into showing up and making a statement or two.

Antigone from the greek play committed suicide. Please promise me that you'll not completely live up to your namesake. There is so much to live for...why don't you go on a date and eat a prime rib with a couple of glasses of merlot and relax a little. Life isn't that bad. I would go out on a date with you myself if I could, but I'm happily married.

Posted by: Saxon | February 15, 2008 09:32 PM

Saxon, just because you haven't seen other animal rights supporters commenting here does not mean we have "forgotten" about this investigation.

I see that YOU are still focusing on it - why? You clearly have too much time on your hands, since you don't respect animals, nor do you respect the people trying to speak up for the voiceless.

You are just a sarcastic asshole, really.

Antigone, I have enjoyed your comments on this exchange, but I would suggest that you stop responding to people like Kurt and Saxon, because they have nothing to offer, and they have no intention of opening their minds to learning new things and making some positive changes in their lives. Let's move on, and we'll "see" each other on some other posts!

Posted by: Michele | February 16, 2008 12:55 PM

Saxon: Actually, I'm an attorney admitted to the Bar of MA and currently applying to sit for the NV Bar in July.

The comparison btw the poultry industry and slavery is very apt, as both industries are based on a determination that visual appearance is somehow a greater indicator of the rights to which a being is entitled than the fact that a being has feelings, can suffer, and has a value that is apart from any value placed on that being by another being. Your failure to see that makes you less intelligent and less enlightened.

Perhaps you should move on to another website.

Posted by: Antigone1000 | February 16, 2008 01:59 PM

Michelle and Antigone,
Please don't get the idea that I don't respect your opinions and ideas. The world would be a pretty dull place if we humans kept the same mind set through the years. And I hope you don't think I dislike either of you. Quite the contrary, I am glad to have these discussions with you.
If I come off as harsh sometimes it doesn't mean I think less of you. Whether you believe it or not, I do have compassion for animals, I just don't share the same enthusiasm that you do. If you notice I never really post on many of the posts, the reason is because I tend to agree with you on some issues. I don't agree with the fur industry, I don't like the fact that the meat industry mistreats animals sometimes and I don't agree with puppy mills. There are other issues I don't like, I just can't name them all right now.
The main reason I come on here is to speak up on the behalf of people who are really nice people, who tend to get grouped in with all the bad "meat-eaters." I'm not naive enough to think everybody that is on my side is the best person in the world, in fact many are bad people.
When somebody calls all meat-eaters bad people and not enlightened, I think of my parents, grandparents and friends who have done wonderful things for their families and friends. I think of my grandpa from who fought in WWII, was captured by the Russians and worked in a lobor camp. He was starved for 16 months until he excaped, ended up fly a fighter plane for thr RAF and became a war hero, earning the Highest Honor bestowed by Poland. He ate meat all his life and did great things for the world and his family.
These people are not "evil, heartless animal killers." They were just trying to make it in the world.
When you claim these people are not enlightened as you because they eat meat, it upsets me. This is why I come hear, so people know that we are not as bad as you claim we are sometimes.
Well, that is all I have to say about that.

Posted by: Kurt K | February 19, 2008 08:33 PM

Saxon: Any black person with any sense would completely agree with my comments. As for your comments about attorneys--ah, spoken like someone who could neither get admitted to law school, nor be able to ever pass a bar. Don't hate...

Posted by: Antigone1000 | February 20, 2008 06:46 PM

I apologized for insulting your profession. I meant it.

I know I could be a attorney, if I chose to apply myself at that. I can do anything. I've been a success at everything I've ever attempted. That wouldn't be any different.

The fact that YOU claim to be one makes me even more confident that I could do it. Let's face it...if YOU could do it, how challenging could it be?

We could match IQs if you would like to challenge me...but, you would just lie so it would be pointless.

Posted by: Antigone1000 | February 23, 2008 04:12 PM

Hmmmm...... Saxon, I'm guessing the last post attributed to me was actually written by you. So--since you can't seem to figure out how to post properly, I would have to make the assumption that your ability to make it through law school would be in the slim-to-none range.

Posted by: Antigone1000 | February 25, 2008 08:34 PM

Antigone, I KNEW that post from February 23, 2008 04:12 PM was not written by you! It just did not sound like something you would say at all! In fact, it sounded like a child, going "nyah, nyah!"

Posted by: Michele | February 26, 2008 04:01 PM

Michele: Thankfully, the people with the intelligence tend to be on the side of the animals!! ;-)

Posted by: Antigone1000 | February 26, 2008 08:23 PM

Way to take the high road!

Posted by: Kurt K | March 4, 2008 12:59 PM

I used to love your chicken, I would eat your chicken almost everyday until I read this shit. I hate what you guys do and karma's a bitch. STOP how you guys are killing these pitiful animals or else payback is going to be a Motherf**CKER.

Posted by: Emma L | March 28, 2009 04:33 PM