NIH=TERRORISTS

Posted by: Ana | November 14, 2007 03:59 PM

Exactly Ingrid, yesterdays' science! Just when we think we're making progress towards phasing out animal tests, another one shows up! NIH and anothers alike have complete disregard for chimps and other animals tested in their labs and can do whatever they like all in the name of science. And in my opinion "are" violating the Animal Welfare Act and should be held accountable.

Posted by: Carla | November 14, 2007 04:49 PM

All I had to do was read the first sentence of this paragraph and laugh. Do you not know how effective animal testing is? It has helped up find vaccines for rabies and such. Would you really put a monkey before the human race?

Posted by: m.l. loves animals but is pro animal testing. | November 14, 2007 07:33 PM

The industry-government complex at work: enriching themselves by stealing money from the taxpayers and destroying the lives of innocent animals.

Posted by: BrandonXVX | November 14, 2007 08:02 PM

its pretty hysterical that ingrid would write the head of homeland security when she & peta has supported alf and elf...both considered the most dangerous domestic terrorist groups in the country ......
more hypocritical fun & games from peta

Posted by: steve | November 14, 2007 09:26 PM

This would have never happened if that jackass H.W Bush hadnt started the Gulf War. Idiot

Posted by: Caboose (Combine Slayer) | November 14, 2007 10:26 PM

steve

Who has ALF and ELF killed???.......Uh, no one. Who have extremists in this nation killed? Thousands. Who has abused the civil rights of ALF and ELF activists? The government and people like you who are dumb enough to believe the propaganda about these activists.

Posted by: Ana | November 15, 2007 03:30 PM

Steve,

Since the ALF and the ELF have never killed anyone, I think it shows how screwed up and clueless homeland security really is. Instead of focusing on real terrorist threats, they spend their time appeasing their corporate masters who stand to lose a few percentage points through the actions of the ALF/ELF. Real terrorists probably welcome this skewing of priorities as it takes attention and manpower away from them.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | November 15, 2007 03:34 PM

NHI-BUSH-CHENEY-WHITEHOUSE=TERRORISM.

Right on Ana

GOD LOVE ALF AND ELF
They have never ever killed anyone.

Posted by: Isabella, Animal Freedom Fighter | November 15, 2007 05:00 PM

You PETA people are starting to sound more and more like communists everyday.

Posted by: Caboose (Combine Slayer) | November 15, 2007 08:08 PM

you guys are truly out of your human minds ( if you have any)...... 40 million dollars plus of damages to peoples lives ( and because they do not agree with you... its ok) and with every arson & fire... there was the potential for human loss of life.... oh we forget... our brave terrorists make sure that no human will get hurt... what about the brave fireman who put their lives on the line fighting alfs & elfs insanity? .... and when a human being finally dies from your madness, oops.... the animal extremists world will say ....sorry but it was for the animals....

they have never killed anyone... you clowns state over and over again..... that just makes it ok..... right ariel and ana and mike and of course, judith and isabella... the true freedom fighters....

Posted by: steve | November 15, 2007 10:17 PM

I am not sure if I have learned the wrong meaning of communism - please explain how animal rights activism is equated with communism.

Posted by: Michele | November 16, 2007 11:37 AM

To those that believe that animal testing is helping humans: The website www.curedisease.com scientifically W/O any pro-animal sentiments will logically explain step by step the 100% FRAUD that it truely is. Up until 1930 the animals DID provide some useful answers. Since then it is a PROVEN fact that tens of millions of humans have both suffered and died as a DIRECT result of animal model "research". Unfortunately the average American will NOT invest the TIME to fully examine the issue,(ie: 60 million Bush voters).

Posted by: Gerry Ardigliano | November 16, 2007 11:58 AM

Mike Q

That's true. The terrorists are free to continue with their TERRORISM; business as usual both for them and the government. So much for democracy.....

Posted by: Ana | November 16, 2007 12:49 PM

Michele

No no, I was saying Communism because PETA always tackles corporations and capitalists.

Posted by: Caboose (Combine Slayer) | November 16, 2007 04:48 PM

to all the antiblogging wankers up here: you are really out of time and should urgently make up your mind: it's useless to post any reasonable argumentation here for you because you are just hateful ugly crippled souls! do you think that the world's greatest souls who ever lived on this planet can be challenged by freaks like you? but you don't know anything about their philosophy and thoughts because you are a bunch of analphabetic homo demens walking in neanderthal - without finding any way out! so now i don't loose anymore time with you stupid folks because you're not worth and you shall never learn anything at all - but there is a truth i can tell you: the lower the human being, the lower his treatment of animals and his conception of justice towards all living creatures! but you are so blind that you cannot recognize that it's you who are the clownish terrorists and nobody else!

Posted by: Vegas | November 17, 2007 08:17 AM

Steve,

You're just hypothesizing. We stick with the facts. If you've studied the ALF you would know there are very few arsons committed.

Who do you think instigated the disproportionately punitive and chill-attempting Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act? Corporate America (who by the way control the government). It makes a mockery of the meaning of the word terrorist.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | November 17, 2007 03:37 PM

steve

The only clown is you....ignorant as well and gullible....worry about terorists that are killing people daily and many are right here in the USA....ALF and ELF don't kill anyone but destroy that which is killing and torturing sentient beings. Just because you don't have the developed sensibilities as I and Mike, and Ariel and Judith do, doesn't mean we are not right. We have a moral stance against cruelty to animals which is something you find very difficult to understand with your narrow vision of human superiority. Animal advocates have been killed, abused and have had their civil rights violated. But of course that is of no consequence to you and others of your ilk. The government cares more about proper treatment of terrorists, when caught, in jail and in court than about honest moral people opposed to the daily violence animals endure.

Posted by: Ana | November 18, 2007 01:55 PM

1) do any of you so-call superior moralists ever reread the crap that you are throwing out there?
2) that most of you agree that ruining peoples lives and businesses is okay as long it supposedly helps animals
3) thats it is also okay to put human lives in danger ( firemen, police) as long it will supposedly help animals

4) vegas.... what language are you speaking?

5) mike.... do you know what the word "fact" means?....
arsons: fur stores, meatpacking plants, ski resort in vail to protext lynx, etc... and fact.... these fires put firemen at risk... moron

6) ana and the rest of you....
reading your lovely sentiments.... you all seem to agree that since the majority of the world use animal products in their daily lives, it is okay to terrorize everyone and anyone associated with this use of animal products....

Posted by: common sense steve | November 18, 2007 10:40 PM

I guess "socialist" has been put on the back burner, and the new (non-applicable) word learned this week is "communist." I can hardly wait to find out what the next word will be! LOL
Moving along..."Isabella," Mike, Gerry, Vegas, and Ana, all VERY well and TRUTHFULLY said - as usual!
And I'll add that if "steve" wasn't so possessed and filled with cynicism and hate, that he might have room to be educated to the REAL FACTS that all of you presented. No doubt about it - it's "steve's" kind who are a VERY, VERY, VERY EXTREME danger to society.

Posted by: Ariel | November 19, 2007 02:46 PM

Vegas

R U any better. Because your false accusations say so otherwise.

Posted by: Caboose (Combine Slayer) | November 19, 2007 03:26 PM

Caboose, (self-proclaimed "half anti" a/r's activist)
Please explain:
1. why is it ok for you to say what you want on here no matter how nonsensical or irrelevant, and...
2. why is it ok for you to make false accusations about us, and...
3. why does it seem to disturb you that Vegas says what he/she wants - and you say they are "false accusations"? (which they DEFINITELY are NOT false)

Does it make YOU any better for REALLY spouting off false accusations about us?

Posted by: Ariel | November 21, 2007 06:40 AM

common sense steve: the only thing i feel for you is painful pity - because you really have a senseless life!

Posted by: Radar | November 21, 2007 07:36 AM

Wow, seems as if (lack of) "common sense steve" must have gotten a holiday bonus from the CCF to spew out more "crap"!
Well, clueless steve, if you really want to read "crap", et al, blatant LIES,
I CHALLENGE you - I DARE you to read the CCF websites, and then come back and tell us your FACTUAL findings about them as to how and why they ruin people's lives, put their health at risk, and ruin businesses.
Try to tell us that the CCF doesn't blatantly lie to the public about food products that are detrimental to health and lives.
Try to tell us that the CCF isn't getting paid thousands and thousands of dollars by the meat and dairy industries, as well as the restaurant businesses and other enterprises to spew LIES for them.
Try to tell us that the CCF really cares about the detrimental to fatal pharmaceutical meds put on the market.
See videos about how animals are skinned alive, or some are anally electrocuted, or trapped for hours in excruciating pain JUST for their fur. Then come back and tell us if you think that is sane!
Try to tell us the public knows that a great portion of their donations to a LOT of charitable organizations goes towards doing unnecessary, barbaric experiments on animals. (whereas that money could have been used to make REAL progress for medical cures with modern, accurate, non-animal testing methods.)
Try to tell us that millions of our tax dollars doesn't go towards animal experimentation for the most incredibly uselesss nonsense.
And with ALL of this,try to tell us that the CCF doesn't have any devious influence in the govt. in the that affects our laws, affects MOST or ALL us for the worse.
FYI, brave policeMEN and fireMEN put their lives on the line ALL the time - because they are MEN, unlike a complaining woos like you.
The language YOU are speaking is that of LIES, HATE, and total IGNORANCE, of which you consider yourself morally superior.
Questions:
1. why aren't you complaining about the CCF?
2. when did the word "terrorists" come in to your vocabulary to describe a/r's activists, considering the fact that it was first widely used by the U.S. govt. - the same govt. that has us in a war that no longer has any purpose, yet American soldiers are still needlessly being killed? (and their families are hurting because of their LOSS: fathers, husbands, sons, daughters)
3. why aren't you complaining about the govt. taking away freedoms from ALL of us, one after the other - because any time people protest ANYTHING that the govt. doesn't like, the govt. labels them as "domestic terrorists"? (don't be surprised if one day you will find yourself labeled a terrorist by the govt. about some issue - for so much as even driving a SUV - yes, it has been said)

I suggest that you tell the TRUTH on here about the CCF and other FACTS that I pointed out, OR SHUT UP, you useless parasite!
But no, instead I have very little doubt that you will comment on here again to say that my comments are "too wordy." Well how about my TRUE comments hit you in the face like a brick wall!

Posted by: Ariel | November 21, 2007 08:04 AM

To: ALL

Please -for your own benefit and for the benefit of your loved ones- please read various CCF websites, and you will see that the majority of "steves" comments are consistent with the LIES by the CCF. It will really be an eye-opener.
Thanks!

Posted by: Ariel | November 21, 2007 08:08 AM

ariel and all of you other brainiacs... why is it that only you and your fellow animal rights army are the only ones with the REAL FACTS AND EVERYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED BY YOU....

IT MUST MAKE YOU ALL VERY PROUD TO BE SO, SO SMART AND THE REST OF THE WORLD OH SO DUMB....

Posted by: steve | November 21, 2007 08:33 PM

Ariel

The next word is idiot.

Posted by: Caboose (Combine Slayer) | November 26, 2007 07:28 PM

Ariel

Its irrelevant to you. Its called an opinion. Ive never said it wasnt okay for someone else to talk.

Oh, if you use animal products, ur a savage? Opinion and FALSENESS

Posted by: Caboose | December 10, 2007 11:02 PM

If we extend rights to animals, are we also not bound to extend rights to insects?

please answer this question.

Posted by: harrison schaerr | December 13, 2007 11:14 AM

cs steve

I don't terrorize anyone but the KKK does. No animal advocate has killed, hurt or maimed anyone. So your comment is both ridiculous and inaccurate. For too many centuries animals have been used/abused/killed/neglected/terrorized by humans and yes, it must stop immediately. If you would like to become an enlightened human, educate yourself and welcome aboard to fight the good fight.

Posted by: Ana | December 13, 2007 01:17 PM

Goodness! Doesn't it ever surprise anyone that people who (supposedly) do not support PETA or their beliefs read the blogs only to post a bunch of hatred?

If you are opposed to PETA why do you read the blogs?

Posted by: Karen | December 13, 2007 01:41 PM

to steve, and the rest of you rubber room candidates...

are you some kind of a nut on a mission?!

is constantly casting dispersions, mocking, and throwing stones your lot in life?!

is redundant rhetoric and senseless bs all you have to offer?!

do you deliberately miss points or are you just stupid?!

WHAT part of
d-u-p-l-i-c-a-t-i-o-n of effort
governmental w-a-s-t-e of time and money
incomprehensible t-o-r-t-u-r-e
do you find so FUNNY,
or offends you,
or you just don't get?!

Posted by: 007 | December 13, 2007 02:08 PM

"Human beings are the only animals of which I am thoroughly and cravenly afraid." - George Bernard Shaw.

Here's a thought—why doesn't the USA try to make peace with the rest of the world making such horrendous research unnecessary? How do these scientists know that they won't accidentally create a pathogen that will wipe out millions? They don't.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | December 13, 2007 03:04 PM

Mike Q.

I check in on occasion to catch up and perhaps even learn something new. I don't always intend to post but sometimes I just have to, and you know how that is!

however, you, ana, arial, among others, never seem to disappoint me or cease to amaze me. I always enjoy my visits and your posts despite the myriad of trolls
that seem to gravitate to the petafiles to do their thing.

today I commend you on your excellent comment re "the skewing of priorities
taking attention and manpower away from the real terrorists of this world
and how they would love that!"

I so totally agree! the terrorists already work under a cloak of secrecy and
without our continued full attention the element of surprise would be made possible and all they would need to mastermind and pull off another attack.

Posted by: 007 | December 13, 2007 03:18 PM

Harrison,

In regards to your question, in my opinion I would say yes. For example,
vegan Peter Burwash (Davis Cup winner and professional tennis player) once lost a tournament because he refused to step on a column of ants that had entered the tennis court.

Insects are a life form too. Having said that, I believe any animal always has the right to self-defense. If I was about to be bitten by a malaria-infected mosquito, I would probably have to kill it. If my home was infested with cockroaches, I would certainly look for a humane way to deter them. Just by my existence I create suffering for other organisms. I just try to minimize that suffering.

We still have a long way to go to extend rights to animals though.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | December 13, 2007 03:53 PM

They will put these animals in isolation for 20 years?

So, in 20 years, we'll have the results of this research??

Sounds to me like the only "good" that will come out of this is that a handful of researchers will have job security for 20 years.

Posted by: Jaclyn | December 13, 2007 04:08 PM

common nonsense steve - you front-bencher of wanking maniacs should really shut your poison mouth because your watermelon - where once your head was - is not watertight! i shall show you how i support elf and alf with a big fat dollar note for christmas and a kick in your dumb ass - you weird twisted arrogant stupid dirt sucker - always coming up here on the blog with your ten years old shit repeating itself and boring me stiff!

Posted by: Dick the Whale | December 13, 2007 04:51 PM

ok...

so if insects deserve rights, don't plants deserve rights?

... I understand the desire for a compassionate world... but the world is not compassionate, and nature is not kind...

aren't pets living in 'captivity' better off than animals in the wild who must fight and kill to survive?

Don't we have to fight and kill to survive?

I just... I can't imagine animals being happy out in 'nature'

when i watch the discovery channel, and see a herd of zebra crossing a crocodile infested river, and see a weaker one get devoured, i'm horrified...

where is the beauty in nature? what is the point of preserving animal habitats, if animals are all forced to kill and kill and kill again and again to survive?

Are animals really happy being alive, or are they forced to be alive? chained to the need to survive?

Posted by: harrison schaerr | December 13, 2007 05:34 PM

Ok I think that this is just plain awful, and I hope that it can be stopped. It is funny to me Steve that you find it ironic that Ingrid is writing homeland security, but the flip side of that coin is this if the Government is so worried about ALF & ELF why do they need to find Bio terror antidotes? Alf & Elf do not, nor ever would use any of these things...so does this just go to more prove that them even being listed as terrorist is insane? I seem to think so.....So you have done your homework on ALF & ELF that is great would have thought during all that research you would have learned something apparently NOT. I have always had a problem placing both of these groups in a terrorist category when seeing them all masked holding innocent little animals that they have given a second chance at a better life...a life that should have been offered to these creatures from their first breath. I do not think terrorist when there has never been one human death ever, and this group is not motivated to do any of this for political, religious, or financial gain....Look at how much has in fact been done by our own government, that directly has harmed each one of us, but they are not considered terrorist....Bush has us so far in debt from a useless war that our grand children’s children will be paying for this.....This war has cost many lives American, and non American. This war has no justification the only person that has gained anything is Bush’s pocketbook at our expense and demise....It has gotten to the point the only thing our government, and the ones that run it are concerned about it profit at our expense. Compared to the actions of the ones that placed Alf & Elf on the terrorist list to start with it would seem to me that the wrong group of people are being called terrorist. Elf has been trying to push the hand of the government for years to start making changes before we all parish...before we completely destroy the world we live in. It has not been our government pushing for years to make changes, or people see that the world around us...and the creatures that inhabit it are headed for complete elimination. Instead they worked as hard as they could to not let the message be received by the American public calling it a “Green Scare”....making changes will equal profit loss...the only Green Scare they were concerned with was the fear of losing their own green money within their accounts. Make sure you know the truth when calling Elf terrorist know that they only have our best interest at heart. Can the same be said about the ones that we voted into office?

I think it is time for people like Steve to wake up, and look at what is best for this world as whole instead of the lies that our very own government feeds us everyday.....Alf & Elf being on the terrorist list just goes to show exactly where the priorities in Washington lay, and I can tell you that scares me more than any group of people trying to save innocent creatures, and the world we all call home!

Posted by: Dana | December 13, 2007 05:48 PM

Anyone who thinks animal testing works is extremely stupid and has no common sense, there is a huge difference in the way the body of a chimpanzee or any animals body works from a human.

Posted by: Josselyn | December 13, 2007 06:09 PM

Thanks 007. I hope you continue to post as often as you can. I've learned a lot here from others, and it's just made my beliefs in animal rights and veganism/vegetarianism that much stronger.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | December 13, 2007 07:34 PM

Harrison Schaerr-

The point you are missing about the Animal Rights movement: we try to eliminate suffering. We have reason to believe that sentient animals (those with complex nervous systems) can feel pain when tortured. Where to draw the line? Who knows, but as Albert Schweitzer famously said, I'd rather err on the side of compassion.

Insects? Perhaps: I let ladybugs out of my house without harming them. What do you do, pull the wings off of flies, just to watch them squirm? PS: it's ok to swat mousquitoes before they bite you.

But NO ONE thinks that plants have nervous systems that cause them pain. Your reductio ad absurdum falls apart, because you have ignored the central issue: the central nervous system!

Posted by: Good Dog! | December 13, 2007 09:38 PM

Some people, really took a long time writing comments about terrorism. WOW.

I support PETA & everything they do 100%!

(:!

Posted by: Des | December 14, 2007 08:51 AM

Wow, reading all this is exhausting.I am still not clear on why folks who do not support animal rights would even bother to read this stuff, never mind spend time verbally abusing those who do.
I am saddened that we are still debating this issue.

Posted by: Karen | December 14, 2007 09:28 AM

Harrison,

The world may be brutal at times, but that doesn't stop you from being as compassionate as possible—that is within your reach and under your personal control. Always choose the path of least harm.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | December 14, 2007 10:16 AM

dear dick the whale...

my sentiments exactly!
you took the words right out of my mouth! :)

Posted by: 007 | December 14, 2007 02:34 PM

Harrison,
From your post I think that you are kind hearted person just overwhelmed with all the bad. This is understandable considering there is a lot of bad in the world we live in today..some even start to think what is the use in trying to help when the outlook is bleak anyway. The outlook however does not have to be bleak if the vast majority of people just start doing one thing a day out of compassion for animals, the environment, or another living being. We are at the end of a year about to start a fresh new year....with this new year we can make changes small ones that have a drastic affect on the things going on around us. We are a world lacking empathy, and all of us have to work as a group in order for it to return. As for animals being happy to be alive I fully believe that animals feel enjoyment from being alive when you see these creatures in their natural habitats even with their natural predator they are experiencing life the way it should be experienced wild & free...Natural Predator are part of natures balance in a way that no matter how hunters try to justify it humans are not. When a natural predator does kill its pray the benefits are recycled back into the environment, as well as the one animal provides food for many other creatures. Natural predator are a very import factor of nature, and unlike human hunters they are not armed with unfair weapon advantages when they kill. The pray undeniably does not want to die, and would prefer not become a victim of a predator but they never die in vain......I think their lives are full up into the point of death...unlike animals used in research or slaughterhouses...they never experience a joyful day in their lives from birth they only experience pain & suffering never knowing what it is like to truly be an animal before death.......all things that feel joy should have rights!!! The right to live, the right to experience the world just as we do.

Posted by: Dana | December 14, 2007 02:53 PM

007

Thanks for your words of support. I am only writing the truth; the truth scares many people. The oppression of animals must come to an end. This would only create a better world for all.

Posted by: Ana | December 14, 2007 03:04 PM

If you don't like what NIH is doing. Stop taking any and alll medications.

Question being are u open minded enough to post this?
Think about it...if you don't you are no different than the censorship placed by president bush!

Posted by: K | December 14, 2007 07:40 PM

These idiots at the NIH are among those who try to get humane groups declared "terrorists."

They do not like those who expose their criminal activity, and thieving at the expense of the taxpayer.

And with regard to the CCF, http://www.consumerdeception.com covers those bandits quite well.

Posted by: kelly | December 14, 2007 09:32 PM

dana, on the contrary, many farmed animals do experience joy. Perhaps you've never seen lambs skipping in the fields, pigs rolling in mud/poo(they're not fussy) or bulls...courting cows.

I admitedly don't see much joy for vealers, so don't buy veal.

Posted by: rojo | December 15, 2007 09:25 AM

I HAVE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION : THEY ARE ALL IN THE U.S, UNDERNEATH THE WHITE HOUSE IN A GIANT SECRET MISSILE SILO, where the terrorists are being protected.

Posted by: Caboose | December 15, 2007 10:23 AM

Kelly,
You are right on!
We get too close to the truth and we are labled "TERRORISTS".
The only terrorists are those in the WHITE HOUSE
and those that terrorize and slaughter animals every day.
Those that beat their so called animal companions to death when they are in a fit of rage and take it out on the innocents of the animals.
I knew a little dog was being abused 4 doors down,
the older daughter ran up to our home and told me her dad was going to kill him because he went potty on the couch, she said he threw him up against the wall, he was full grown and weighted 8 pounds. Something just got in
to me.
She called the police from my home and I just started running to her home and and went right in and screamed at him to give me the dog.
Alot of stuff went on but we have the dog, his name is brusie,
He is on steriods
the Dr. is trying to fuse # 26 and # 27 vertebrae.
He is just a joy, and our senior, Miss Gizz just adores him.
This man said I was a danger to society, the neighborhood pretty much drove him out.
I guess thats how we get labeled.
But I do not give a darn, We have a very alive little man
who is a joy to his family.
So I guess when you save a life you become labeled.
How wrong is that?

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter for Animals | December 15, 2007 03:28 PM

Doesn't Ingrid Newkirk use insulin that is derived from some sort of animal gene? If that is true, isn't the term 'hypocritical' relevant to this situation? I want to support PETA ... but I'm finding it hard to do so.

Someone convince me otherwise ... please.

Posted by: C.J. | December 16, 2007 01:23 AM

007, I also thank you for your support and hope that you submit comments as often as possible. I actually miss you when we don't hear from you in a while because I think you have a lot to offer.

Posted by: Ariel | December 16, 2007 07:48 AM

007, I also thank you for your support and hope that you submit comments as often as possible. I actually miss you when we don't hear from you in a while because I really think you have a lot to offer and really do enjoy reading your posts. Just like Ana and MikeQ, we tell the truth and don't play any games.

Posted by: Ariel | December 16, 2007 08:01 AM

And let us all realize- OUR TAX MONEY IS PAYING FOR THIS CRUEL TREATMENT!

Please keep helping PETA in all they do to help animals

Posted by: Alexandra | December 16, 2007 05:38 PM

I do not support any sort of violence...although it is quite natural for it to flash in your mind when you see torture and continued apathy towards it. I'm not only for animals...for children too. Anything that can't defend itself as well as I can. Maybe it's a girly mother thing, but I don't like it. I'm probably a weirdo, but I think we should be rescuing kids too. Don't worry I'm not going out and stealing children...but check out http://photolisting.adoption.com/
They are listed similar to petfinder. Really breaks my heart! Spay and Neuter humans too. JK!

I don't view Alf or Elf as a terrorist group. I don't agree with all of their platforms, but they have the right idea with the whole non cruelty thing.

I do have a problem with hurting animals with no real benefit to humans. The Nazi's tortured Jews in the "name of science". And we all know that was so ethical.

Now Bush...hmm...he is a terrorist.
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/default.asp

Posted by: Allison | December 17, 2007 12:18 PM

C.J.,

In regard to your insulin question...

"Insulin production from animal pancreases was widespread for decades, but very few patients today rely on insulin from animal sources, largely because few pharmaceutical companies sell it anymore.

Synthetic "human" insulin is now manufactured for widespread clinical use using genetic engineering techniques, which significantly reduces the presence of impurities. Eli Lilly marketed the first such insulin, Humulin, in 1982. Humulin was the first medication produced using modern genetic engineering techniques in which actual human DNA is inserted into a host cell (E. coli in this case). The host cells are then allowed to grow and reproduce normally, and due to the inserted human DNA, they produce a synthetic version of human insulin."

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | December 17, 2007 12:27 PM

CJ,
I absolutely detest hypocrisy concerning anyone, in any situation -so I understand how you feel.
Now let's get to the part about you wanting someone to convince you to support PeTA, but you are having a hard time about it because you sense some hypocrisy. Actually, CJ, no one can convice you or anyone else to make a choice about anything.
Just focusing my comments on animal rights' -which may help you to feel some clarification- PeTA is not an organization about people. PeTA's main focus and priority is the animals. And if you have a strong sense of justice and commitment for defending the animals, then that is basically all you need to be concerned about.
When one's focus about the animals is distracted for any reason, then that distraction compromises the animals' concerns -and it dilutes the point and strength of one's involvement.

Another point I'd like to make is that NO organization of any kind on this earth is perfect. So not everything is totally pleasing to everyone -and none of us on this earth are perfect.

Finally, the decision you make can only be found within yourself: your heart and your conscience.

Posted by: Ariel | December 17, 2007 03:21 PM

Sure, they haven't killed anyone yet. That's true. But have you ever read ALF communiques?

You people make me ill.

Posted by: Paul | December 17, 2007 05:51 PM

oh thank you Ariel...

yes, I really do enjoy my visits and the wealth of information, doses of reality, timely updates, and many views and insights of the petafiles...
as I mentioned, in particular, yours and the rest of peta's regular contributors
who brilliantly opine to the many uplifting and more often heartwrenching, truthbearing reports throughout the petafiles! AND to the many unconsciounable antagonists and trolls.

as Ana insightfully alluded to, and I agree, TRUTH is somewhat of a problem
for that ornery bunch!

personally speaking, I initially checked out the petafiles for the real scoop, so to speak, on "dogfighting" that the inept, shallow, samo samo reporting elsewhere was not giving me. it was indeed a shocking and revolting revelation to me to
learn how in the dark, so to speak, I was re the details and extent of dogfighting
AND of the many other ongoing horrific animal abuses all over the world!

I am trusting and counting on Peta's continued efforts in getting the TRUTH out
and challenging the evildoers no matter how and whatever it takes, IGNORING
the heartless and mindlesss naysayers and cretins bent on discrediting and stopping Peta and Peta supporters.

check out my blistering comment to steve on the 12/5/07 topic "Eva Mendes reveals all" my post dated 12/17/07...

in it I admit to being one whose "lack of information" re animal welfare and rights issues was addressed because of peta's so called "over the top" tactics as steve
so arrogantly declares never works, and I AM not one who is easily swayed...
but, unlike steve and others of his ilk, I do, thank God, have a teachable spirit!

Posted by: 007 | December 17, 2007 06:51 PM

Ariel

It can only be you right? Always you.

Posted by: Caboose | December 17, 2007 07:44 PM

CJ,

I wanted to also clear something else up for you Ingrid Newkirk does not use insulin for anything, it is her colleague Mary Beth Sweetland this is very unfortunate, because this woman has a very big heart. She also has beagle babies that she loves dearly the thought that they were in labs everywhere being tested on this product broke her heart. Especially knowing that the little has changed for diabetics since the 1920's other than the discovery of synthetic insulin which does not cause the side effects that old pork and beef based insulin’s did. Everything that we have learned over the years has come from human studies yet animals studies are still being conducted every day in hopes of finding a cure...the results of this are that at this rate we will not reach one anytime soon, and millions of animals will suffer for NOTHING! The worse part is while they keep up the torture of animals to find a cure that they just can’t seem to find through animal testing more and more people are developing this disease at younger and younger ages. Mary Beth went the extra mile to lessen the amount of insulin that must be used in her body for she does not want to contribute to this horrible practice. She has cut her insulin units from 50 a day to only 15. She checks her glucose level three to four times a day and takes up to four low doses of Humulin, a synthetic, non animal insulin that has restored her muscle mass. She has also changed her diet she eats lots of beans, peas, green vegetables, carbohydrates, and whole grains. She stays miles away from fats...never touches animal flesh, eggs, or dairy. She even avoid vegetable oils.....and exercise 30 minutes a day. Her doctor praises her efforts, and so does a person that makes artificial limbs for a living and believes that the most tragic amputees are the diabetics as he puts it “that have cut off their own legs with a knife and fork” thanks to the traditional western diet. All of this and more can be found in Ingrid Newkirks book Making Kind Choices it is something that all of you need to read....The people against peta mostly big industries, and hunters have made sure that this insulin thing made its way to everyone calling peta a bunch of hypocrites....I for one do not see that at all I see a woman that is very dedicated to her convictions, but can not ignore her health problems...I see a woman that has done everything she can with in her own life to make sure she only uses the bare minium of this product a dedication I wish everyone had...her reward has been the fact that she can live a normal life, and continue to help animals. So when you hear something like this CJ make sure you get all the facts before just becoming part of that group that bashes PETA because they are making a difference, and one that difference might effect their ability to unjustly kill animals.

Posted by: Dana | December 18, 2007 01:54 PM

Ariel you are right!!!! :)

Paul

Animal advocates and PETA make you ill? Leave!!!! Don't write your mundane, inaccurate comments on this blog!! ALF does not speak violence it speaks of compassion and saving lives. That is their philosophy. But the KKK and the Muslim extremists will harm you and if possible kill many.

Posted by: Ana | December 18, 2007 03:36 PM