So, filling a shelter with feral,unadoptable cats is a good idea? I suppose the next topic will be about how "breeders" filled up the shelter.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 5, 2007 04:19 PM

http://www.celiahammond.org/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=3&MMN_position=3:3

They've already rescued 157 and don't really know if there are many left. Apparently the cats are trap shy from previous trap, neuter and release programs. If it is a problem that they are breeding(ie too many) why release the ones you've caught? They have to be rendered unconscious for the operation, with whatever trauma that entails, so why wake them up. And you'd save the cost of the op.
Rescued feral cats kill shelter cats, there are only so many homes. Which deserves to live the most.

Posted by: rojo | December 5, 2007 04:58 PM

I sent a letter. Thanks for letting us know about this, we want the animal rescue group to save the feral cats living in a colony on the future site of Olympic Park in London. I cant imagine why they would not let the cats be saved, it seems so simple to let the rescue people save the cats.

Posted by: Holly | December 5, 2007 05:15 PM

also, I hope the feral cats can be rescued and then relocated, and not put to sleep. Spay, get shots and release in a safe place.

Posted by: Holly | December 5, 2007 06:35 PM

Rojo,

You bring up an interesting subject. I once lived next to an "animal lover" who would trap feral cats, take them to the vet, have them sterilized, then release them back to the environment. I always found this to be quite misguided and irresponsible. Feral cats carry diseases to humans and pets, and they devastate native song bird, reptile and rodent populations. It is my opinion that if a feral cat is unsalvagable as a pet, then it should be humanely euthanized. I sympathize with the cat, but I believe this is the lesser of two evils. I would love to hear what anyone else thinks.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | December 5, 2007 06:38 PM

I think if a vet can give the cats a clean bill of health, give them shots and sterilize them they should be set free. You are right about the song birds and other animals that would be killed and eatten by the cats. I dont have an answer for that except to say that if the cats are wild they are no different than any other wild animal that does that.

Posted by: Holly | December 6, 2007 11:07 AM

As usual the killing option is better for the animal hating/killing/user/abuser group. Uninformed and ignorant again.

Posted by: Ana | December 6, 2007 11:29 AM

CC--For once I agree with you. Feral cats devastate wildlife, and often die miserable deaths themselves. I don't think anyone involved in the rescue of these particular cats is advocating that they should take the place of tame cats in shelters. They should be given the common courtesy of a peaceful death, though, instead of being plowed over when building begins.

Posted by: Spay and neuter immediately, please | December 6, 2007 12:51 PM

If I'm not mistaken, isn't PETA's official stance on feral cat colonies that the cats should be humanely euthanized rather than fixed, fed, and otherwise left to their own devices?

Posted by: BullyDawg | December 6, 2007 02:10 PM

Christopher, Christopher, Christopher... I actually agree with you.

:o)

I know it is sad, but they should just be humanely put sleep. There are too many cats that suffer in the streets and end up hit by cars.

Posted by: Jaclyn | December 6, 2007 02:28 PM

Felis domesticus is NOT a wild animal. They are no more a wild animal than a cow. They do manage to kill numerous native wild animals, but they are still eking out a living, especially in an urban environment. I care about all animals, not just cats. Ana, I don't know why you have so much hatred in your heart. I can't stand the thought of euthanizing anything, but I also am considering much more than the cats. I love cats, but I also love birds and bugs and rabbits and squirrels and pigeons. There are numerous song birds on the endangered species list. I can't stand the thought of that bird getting closer to extinction because of a sterilized house cat running free. Hard decisions have to be made. Even PETA knows that when it euthanizes animals. I saw Ms. Newkirk's anguish as she was knew the best plan for the heart-worm ridden dog was a peaceful death. Any person who has ever been in her place (myself included) empathizes with her. Euthanasia is a last resort, but unfortunately it is part of the short term problem for cats in these situations. I would rather them die peacefully and painlessly, than to see them maimed and wounded in their psuedo-natural environment of abandoned buildings and vacant lots.
If you want to find culpability, don't project your anger to the painful solution to a this problem, rather continue to educate people on how important it is to sterilize pets. I know your are doing this already, though.
Ana, I know that you are educated and experienced enough to know that you will get much closer to your goals with polite negotiation and discussion rather than rancor and vitriol. I will make an effort to avoid such poor conduct. I do this not out of fear of banishment, rather, it is just the right thing to do.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | December 6, 2007 02:34 PM

Every time the Olympics gets held, we hear about animals getting killed to "tidy things up" for these stupid events

The Olympics is a fraud-filled circus

Posted by: kelly | December 6, 2007 04:40 PM

And I do wish the feral cat people would stop releasing the animals so that they stop getting preyed on in situations like these, or worse

Cats aren't wild!

Posted by: kelly | December 6, 2007 04:42 PM

I understand what your saying. I just think if the cats are born in the wild they are wild.

Posted by: Holly | December 6, 2007 04:55 PM

Holly,
Most certainly I see your point, and often it is difficult to be a native animal purist. Many of the animals here in America are naturalized imports: pheasants, chukars, pigeons (rock dove), English sparrow, brown trout. In general, if I could turn back time, I would wish these animals had not been imported here, but cats are a different kind of story. They are able to survive in a feral state temporarily, but I doubt they ever thrive or naturalize (that means maintain a wild viable breeding population). Life for a wild animal is rough enough, but for an ill equipped animal it would be miserable, short and inevitably deadly. If cats were able to naturalize we would see populations of them throughout the world in wild areas in a viable breeding population (an example of a success story would be house mice and Norway rats world wide, Nutria in the southern US, and toads and rabbits in Australia). Of course we see perpetuated cat populations, but in the long term, they are non-viable. I feel what your saying, and like I said, euthanizing those cats is painful, yet necessary last resort. I am not trying to sway you, rather, just perhaps present some things you hadn't had a chance to consider. All the best, and thanks for the interesting discussion.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | December 6, 2007 05:29 PM

I was thinking that if the feral cats are captured and spayed then they cant reproduce, and if they are released in a safe place and to a group of caregivers who are willing to be responsible for them and bring them food and water and make sure they have shelter from the weather, and watch over them for obvious health problems, then they live pretty good lives and die out leaving no offspring. That way they dont have to be euthanized.
It would be nice there were no feral animals as you say.
I very much enjoy your posts Christopher.

Posted by: Holly | December 6, 2007 07:14 PM

I am a feral cat caretaker. My colony is plump, healthy and free of disease. We have caught them while even very pregnant and had an "abortion" done if necessary to spay them. We maintain not only the reproductive part of the care but provide housing as well (dog houses)...and of course clean water and food. When we have found a
kitten(s) we will catch it and turn it over to the local humane society..or sometimes have kept several ourselves. ANY unhealthy or wounded cats are often put to "sleep".

The problem with putting these cats down is...other cats will just move in. We have seen it here. When one dies... another cat just shows up to take its place. However, with a stable colony that is well fed and housed...they do not hunt like cats left alone without food, they do not fight like unaltered cats and they do not carry any more disease than our house cats. (We flea and worm them...booster shots for rabies too).

A well maintained feral colony helps...cats just fixed and turned out...probably does not solve any issues.

I say...if this is an established colony with caretakers...move them...don't kill them.

Just my two cents!

Posted by: stephie | December 6, 2007 08:10 PM

I am a PETA member, I love cats, I have 4, but I agree with the euthanasia group in this. I worked at my local SPCA as a surgical assistant, mainly assisting on spays and neuters. Money is alway tight, loveable pets are euthanized because organizations lack funds to support so many "throw aways". The rarely available funds should not be used to neuter and spay feral cats. Sad as it is, these released cats have a short life span, dying of disease,starvation, poisoning, hit be cars, etc., a painless death is the best these animals have to hope for. As much as it hurts,let's be reasonable, and spend the money on adoptable animals that can live for 15-20 years as the purring lump on their owner's lap.

Posted by: nan mcclain | December 6, 2007 09:03 PM

Dr. Cochran,

Hi again! I feel very very passionate about this issue, as a former shelter worker, certified veterinary nurse, cat behaviorist (specializing in feral cats) and someone who runs a shelter. Oh, and I'm in wildlife conservation now.

We can kill feral cats until the cows come home, but until there is a strict, militant ban on people dumping cats, there will be an unending flood of cats who did nothing wrong except be born at the hands of we jerk humans who are contaminating the planet.

I have personally filled dozens of trash cans with about 800 cats. They were not aggressive, just scared. Until someone has done this ugly, ugly task, never come to me and say it's the best solution.

The birds, small mammals, wild native felids (like bobcats who can catch diseases from feral cats) will continue to be plagued by cats forever until humans change their behavior.

People who neuter feral cats appreciate all life, and would like nothing better than to see all cats on Earth indoors, warm, healthy, loved, and never to kill a wild animal again.

We should take out ourselves before we should take out another feral cat, for we are far worse offenders. Until outdoor cats are banned, the only ethical solution is to get them neutered and adopted (it CAN be done, I've done it) and pray that ignoramuses who let cats outdoors get a clue.

Respectfully as always, Dr.

Posted by: Maya: Master's candidate, wildlife biology | December 6, 2007 11:16 PM

ps Dr. Cochran, you're exactly right, feral cats should never try to be "naturalized". But humans are hands down the worst invasive species ever.

At least felis domesticus keeps rodent populations down, after all that's why they had a symbiosis with humans to begin with.

By the way I'm NOT saying they should be kept just as mousers or kept outdoors, just that humans are worse offenders than ferals. By the way a UMass student recently died of the plague after doing a cougar necropsy. Rodents and their fleas do need to be kept under control. Very few if any Americans have died from cat bites/rabies etc.

Again, feral cats populations will go on forever if people keep letting cats outdoors.

PS JACK, thank you for this info. Can we organize a ban on these heartless Olympic bastards?

Posted by: Maya: Master's candidate, wildlife biology | December 6, 2007 11:31 PM

ana, if you look at the situation objectively you would realise that simply having sterilization programs(by animal groups no less) indicates population problems. If feral cats were desirable who would want to curb numbers?

One of the down falls of such sterilization programs is the cost of having a vetenary surgeon working on an essentially unwanted cat. My impression is animal groups don't have a limitless pool of money upon which to draw, and consider that these vetenary surgeons would be better off doing pro bono work fixing beloved pets of the poor, or wildlife that is actually appreciated.
The money saved could also be used to lenghten the lives of shelter pets, or more likely extend ad campaigns.

Holly, I agree it is a quandry about wild born feral cats, at what point do we say they are part of a natural environment. Or can they ever be? I'm quite sure they help keep some of the vermin that Chris has mentioned(rats etc) under control, so maybe they are an important part of a modified enviroment. I just think it is a waste of resources to trap, desex and release an animal already believed to be over-populated. Look after ones people want.

Posted by: rojo | December 7, 2007 09:55 AM

maya,
I am well aware of your love of cats, and don't disagree with you(or anyone) to hurt feelings.
From my perspective the trapped cat has faced about all the trauma it's going to in the period prior to operation, it doesn't know if you are there to help or kill it. It will assume harm. So the only real difference in that regard is the cat doesn't wake up.

It's hard to rationalise which lives and which dies, but you know more than anyone the financial stresses on such animal centres. I appreciate life, and would rather see resources going toward appreciated life.

Posted by: rojo | December 7, 2007 11:32 AM

Hello Maya:

Being that we have invested time, money and emotion in rescuing felines our point of view differs from the violent pat solution to simply kill them. Humans destroy so much it is difficult to enumerate the many ways they do in a succnct manner. Stay well!!!

Posted by: Ana | December 7, 2007 01:22 PM

I don't negotiate with mind-less fools who enjoy killing, maiming and abusing animals. There simply are too many other more interesting, compassionate people to share a dialogue with. vitriol! Bought a dictionary recently??? I don't waste emotion on idiots either. Save your crap for someone who cares---you are laughable!

Posted by: Ana | December 7, 2007 01:26 PM

"Many of the animals here in America are naturalized imports".....

Just another little comment on this issue in regards to imports and natural inhabitants....unless you are a Native American...you too are an "import" and so really....kind of a kettle calling the pot black when you get to say that cats where not naturally here. Most of us aren't really NATIVE either.

Posted by: stephie | December 7, 2007 02:51 PM

I most certainly do know what vitriol means: caustic as if derived from sulfuric acid. I would be more than happy if know cat was ever euthanized ever in this world, but to euthanize feral cats saves more animals than it kills, just not cats. Part of being an adult is making hard choices. Ana, forgive me, but your position seems more pro-cat than pro-animal. At the very least, I make you laugh. You seem to need some levity in your life.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | December 7, 2007 03:03 PM

My life is full, stop trying to make snide remarks and analyze. You sound again arrogant and stupid. You are a pathetic lonely fool. I always laugh at blatant stupidity whomever it is.

You kill/HUNT animals then you should be euthanized according to your brainless synopsis.

Posted by: Ana | December 10, 2007 12:55 PM

It is sad to think that the "cats life" is only as important as humans think it is. That the "cat in the lap" is the only important cat life worth saving. Euthanize the feral cats, because we find their lives put a burden on wild life which is more important than cat life. How powerful we humans are that we can pick and choose which life is more important than another and have the power to end a life, or allow it to continue, but only on our terms.

Posted by: Holly | December 10, 2007 01:05 PM

I am thinking of our people and animal friends who are effected by the big Ice Storm in the mid west. Be safe all of you.

Posted by: Holly | December 10, 2007 03:15 PM

Holly,
I love cats, but it's a numbers issue. Feral cats barely survive, but in the process, kill hundreds of smaller animals (per cat). Hundreds of birds, mammals and reptiles versus one cat. Like I said, it's the lesser of two evils.

Ana, Like I said, I am glad that you are able to laugh.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | December 10, 2007 03:25 PM

Holly,
Then why do we bother catching them at all? My point is through lack of resources other animals die. If something is going to die isn't it better to be the feral, which we don't want to breed anyway. How much value are you placing on the lives of it's prey?

Yes, humans have that power and even use it on their own kind.

Posted by: rojo | December 10, 2007 04:29 PM

how disheartening to see these files riddled with a comraderie of apathetic losers and their lame justifications demeaning and dismissing the lives of the feral cat as if it is less than nothing and deserves to die.

through their own fascination with the dictates of their own callous, insensitive hearts and minds these mostly arrogant, pseudo-intellectual people are relentless in their quest to pontificate their pompous opinions when in fact make NO sense except to each other.

Posted by: 007 | December 10, 2007 07:32 PM

How bout a militant (I'll be the Commisar, Commander, SPARTAN, etc) ban on all pets. Saves us all trouble, and the MPs will give you free Weigted Companion Cubes (a game called Portal, theyre much better than any pet.)

Posted by: Caboose | December 10, 2007 10:25 PM

ROJO... quit dashing all hope for these cats!

the plight of the feral cat is sad enough without your usual ad nauseum knowitall rationale justifying and deeming it a bane on humanity and suggestion that it be killed off!

although humanely putting an animal out of its misery may be necessary as a last resort in extreme cases, many so called "unwanted animals" are worth saving including the feral cat and have been with great success.

like other animal welfare issues the feral cat population as a whole has a right to life and even deserves a chance at a better life though the efforts of the people who really care and who are dedicated to the care and safety of these animals.

with more and more supportive considerations and expansive spay/neuter programs in place the feral cat problem can only get better IMO.

******************************

MAYA... What an excellent contribution to this forum!

your passionate and profound comments such as... "UNTIL THERE IS A STRICT, MILITANT BAN ON DUMPING CATS THAT THERE WILL BE AN UNENDING FLOOD OF CATS WHO DID NOTHING EXCEPT BE BORN AT THE HANDS OF WE JERK HUMANS WHO CONTAMINATE THE EARTH!" says it all!

therein lies TRUTH of the matter and the crux of the problem re ALL animal abuse and neglect, INDEED!

Posted by: 007 | December 11, 2007 09:07 AM

Double Nought Seven,
If you are through wearing out your thesaurus, please consider the ineffective nature of your name-calling derisive argument. Feral cats do not thrive in the wild, but they do kill hundreds and hundreds of wild animals that do thrive. Obviously the root is insensitive people who dump cats or do not sterilize them. Humans make decisions about domestic animals all the time. The choice to sterilize could be considered draconian, but you and I know it is the right thing to do. To remove cats from the environment is an effort to undo the mistakes of others. We have goofed up our environment in so many ways that some animal rights supporters use it as justification of vegan diets. The example is polluted fish. We need to fix the environment and letting feral, non-native cats run about destroying native wildlife is a small but important step in fixing some of the mistakes made by others. I feel for all the cats, but even PETA as a group knows that sometimes euthanasia is the correct action. You must consider the bigger picture.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | December 11, 2007 10:33 AM

There are about 70 million feral cats in the US. They are opportunist hunters, and pray mostly on small rodents. They are most likely catching weaker and injured birds what would die even with out the feral cats. I agree that pet owners need to spay and neuter their cats which would decrease the population in general and if these pet cats are abandoned or lost, they wont reproduce. Capture, spay, neuter and release puts a small dent in the future population. How ever with 70 million feral cats already out there, how in the world do you think you can catch and kill them all? The rat population is 70 million or so in New York, and they cant control that population either. It seems to me that with this large population of cats in general, spay and neuter is the only answer for future population for both pet and feral cats. WE who love animals and want a kinder world for them pick and choose our battles. We dont all have the same ideas, or ways of going about it but we all look for the same end result, a kinder world for all, and we all continue to work at it in our own way which in the long run will bring the same result, smaller cat population. Spay, neuter, release slows population some, and the group who euthanizes the feral cats does the same thing. Which is better for the cat? I wish we could ask the cat.

Posted by: Holly | December 11, 2007 10:59 AM

I love wild life and want to save them and their habitat. My father belonged and supported Izaak Walton League of America back in the 40's and 50's. some pick their battle this way to protect wild life.

Posted by: Holly | December 11, 2007 11:22 AM

I dont support hunting, or farming animals for human consumption, but the Izaak Walton League of America does support conservation. and for those who feel they must hunt and fish, and we cant change your minds this group at least works to protect the land and wild life.

Posted by: Holly | December 11, 2007 11:31 AM

cochran luv... you're obviously impressed with my articulation of expressed thought since this is not the first time you've alluded to it. however, your feeble attempt at levity was somewhat witty and worth a chuckle or two.

for your info... your credibility factor with me is zilch in light of the many arrogant, pompous posts you've littered throughout these files the past few months that I've seen whenever I am here. in fact, I find your posts for the most part disingenuous and selfserving seldom warranting a response, from me, anyway.

for the record... I have absolutely no qualms about exposing a spirit for who and what it is or a situation as I see it and know it to be! NOT exactly random name calling, lack of a better word or something to say! still, if you choose to take exception to any such instance past, present or future, too bad!

pertaining to the feral cat overpopulation... as for me "getting" the big picture,
your unacceptable conception of the so called big picture embracing your own preconceived notions and biased perceptions re doing the right thing,
NOT a chance! thus I stand firm on what I've previously posted here this day.

Posted by: 007 | December 11, 2007 03:20 PM

"knowitall" does this imply I'm right, but you don't like it?

I haven't called for a hunt down of all feral cats, simply not to spend much needed resources on desexing trapped cats only to let them back on the streets. Waste of lives, waste of time, waste of money.

Holly, if you ask the cat, would it elect to be desexed through invasive surgery?

Posted by: rojo | December 11, 2007 05:52 PM

Hey, you didn't comment on my Jethro allusion, I thought it was clever. Did you have something to say about the debate over feral cats or were you preoccupied with me as your subject matter? I do not deserve such attention. I would much rather discuss and debate the notions of the feral cat problem. I am just one guy with one opinion. Like someone said, there are countless feral cats which seems like a much more important subject matter. Stop worrying about me and worry about the cats, birds, mice, lizards, snakes and bugs. They are the important matter at hand. All the best.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | December 11, 2007 07:13 PM

I can only speak for my self, I would rather be desexed than be dead.

Posted by: Holly | December 11, 2007 07:41 PM

Holly - hi! Yeah, ice storms in Massachusetts too. Good holiday and safety wishes to you as well, and great comments about the feral cats. Love it.

You too 007, good to know there's caring people out there!!!

And hey Rojo!! How are ya? Just so you know, I've worked with lots of neutered cats; most come out healthier than before, much less chance of reproductive cancers occuring later. Neutering males is not invasive, it only takes 5 minutes, is done under anesthesia, and it's safer than having your teeth pulled.

Also, ferals can be adopted to people with experience in vet medicine, so it can be done.

I hope you have a most excellent holiday, friend!!

;)

Posted by: Maya: Master's candidate, wildlife biology | December 11, 2007 09:09 PM

And Chris, just so you know, I agree that wild animals that contribute to the ecosystem are "more" valueable to the Earth than animals that destroy the Earth or wildlife.

However, if you think about it, that technically means that we should exterminate ourselves first.

(okay everyone, calm down, I'm not advocating suicide, only careful thought.)

Human lives are not "more" valuable than cats. If they are, I'd like to hear a logical reason why it's "better" to kill a cat than a human. There is no good reason, that's the answer.

Peace and safety to you over the holidays. ;)

Posted by: Maya: Master's candidate, wildlife biology | December 11, 2007 09:13 PM

cochran, luv, how predictably presuptious of you... worry about you?!
I NEVER sweat the small stuff.

as for the topic at hand I've already posted my concerns and comments about it and will not waste my time or petafiles' space reiterating it to the likes you.

as far I am concerned you're not really interested in the overall welfare of all animals but just hanging in here as an antagonist, a detractor of sorts, a pompous doc(?) with obviously too much time on his hands.

for the record... my longterm serious and monumental concerns and support re animal welfare and rights issues speak for themselves as do my posts. we're all entitled to our opinions but that's all they are, opinions, with the exception of the many exceptional informative posts posted by a few exceptional regular posters!
perhaps if you weren't so haughty and highminded, and sharptongued I would
and others could appreciate what YOU have to say.
just a thought.

now, run along and be nice, or just go away!

Posted by: 007 | December 12, 2007 02:51 PM

rojo, rojo, rojo....

"knowitall" in the sense that you THINK you know it all and that your omnicient delusions are nauseating to us who know better!

Posted by: 007 | December 12, 2007 03:16 PM

I, too, have written a letter expressing deep concern and an emphatic plea to save the colony of feral cats living at the future sight of the Olympic Park in London
from an unjust and grisly demise!

I sincerely ask...
WHAT are these heartless beaurocrats thinking?!!

WHAT is their sick reason for not allowing an animal rescue group to save these otherwised doomed feral cats before demolition begins?!! this total disregard
for ANY animal is reprehensible and unacceptable!

IMO, all arguments, excuses and justifications for destroying all feral cat colonies instead of controlling and helping them to the best of our ability
should NOT even be a consideration!

Posted by: 007 | December 12, 2007 05:32 PM

hi maya, I don't disagree about the benefits of desexing. I'm sure its safe and relatively painless, though I'd quibble about whether having testes removed was invasive. In reality male cats aren't the main problem as one male can service many females and we know we aren't going to catch all the males.

Sure ferals can be adopted, but who wants one? Or at least over a shelter cat.

Forecast here for 40 degrees C,(over 100F)for xmas. Thank goodness for liquid refreshment.

Holly, good point, one I've applied to mulesing in the past.

Posted by: rojo | December 12, 2007 06:52 PM

Feral cats are only a problem because stupid people view them as pets and not wild animals. Instead of wasting money and time trying to capture and kill or even neuter them is a hassle. A much easier way is the leave food with crushed up aspirin or antifreeze which is both less expensive and more effective. Someone was already feeding up to 20 ferals in a alley and i solved that problem by poisoning the food that they left. Didnt cost me a single cent.

Posted by: Johan | December 12, 2007 10:36 PM

I have one word: Catmoonstralia

Posted by: Caboose | December 13, 2007 12:12 AM

johan, didn't cost you a cent? what, did you steal the poison?

I'm no feral fan, but I don't advocate poisoning in any shape or form. You have little control on how much the animal ingests, which has an impact on the time and pain it suffers.

Don't be suprised if the FBI come knocking one day.

Posted by: rojo | December 13, 2007 10:31 AM

Johan,
I don't know if you are bating people with your comment, but please understand that placing wide open poison in the environment is not only very irresponsible, in the US it is illegal. If my dog, cat or children accidentally got a hold of your poison food and died, I am sure that I would be compelled to hunt you down and stomp a mud hole in your ass. All the best and peace be with you.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | December 13, 2007 12:10 PM

Christopher is right Johan,
What you did was very dangerous and wrong. Don't ever do that again.

Posted by: Holly | December 13, 2007 03:26 PM

If people didn't believe me before, just read Johan's comments. He proved my point for me:

KEEP YOUR CATS INDOORS! There are many more people out there, just like him.

Posted by: Maya: Master's candidate, wildlife biology | December 13, 2007 06:54 PM

Christopher, I dont want you to go away. I enjoy your posts and think you bring an interesting slant to the conversation. Although I dont always agree with you.
I surly dont want you to disappear!

Posted by: Holly | December 14, 2007 01:15 PM

christopher cochran...

OMG I can't even think what to say about johan's disturbing post except that I
hope and pray that your sincere no nonsense right on to the point post to him
gets his attention!

peace.

Posted by: 007 | December 15, 2007 06:10 AM

Hi I rescue and trap feral cats in my area in NY. I have noticed that TNR does work I have seen a great reduction in the amount of kittens being born and healthier cats. If people would help out and take care of these cats by fixing them ect.. it would make a difference in the long run on how many animals are put to sleep

Posted by: michelle christofilakes | January 15, 2008 12:30 AM