So now those rabbits will not exist and never be born so that helps them.

Posted by: Mars | November 1, 2007 07:22 PM

If you going to harvest fur, at least make the animal's life and death better and enjoyable(the life that is, and death as humane as possible). rabbits are in no danger of extinction, so dont freak out too much. Now I'm not advocating fur(nor against, i dont care. Hacking is too good to pass by), but im just saying.

Posted by: Caboose | November 1, 2007 08:31 PM

I don't understand; many other retailers PETA got to stop selling fur were allowed to "phase out" the merchandise they already had planned for following months. You haven't provided enough information for me to feel it's justifiable to join the campaign.

Next time something like this comes up, please go into detail about WHY they are so much worse than everyone who was ALLOWED to phase out fur.

Posted by: Jessica | November 1, 2007 11:06 PM

Considering that we've done a lot of work here in Vancouver to get them to knock it the hell off, this seems like great news even if they are going to sell fur for one more season.

Posted by: Canaduck | November 2, 2007 02:45 AM

The linked news clip says they are done with fur in January. While it's only "fair" that they can sell off existing "dead" stock, I certainly hope they are not placing orders in the meantime that require more animals to be killed.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | November 2, 2007 11:30 AM

Bebe? Don't they mean we tourture "Baby" rabbits (or adults, it doesn't matter)for your rists to be warm? Com'n, I'm getting sick and tired with these companies who permote tourture and death for selfish reasons. We're not primitive! Get with the times people!

Posted by: Carla | November 2, 2007 12:42 PM

even though you said "many more" i want to give a special shout out to Forever 21 for going fur free as well. :-)

Posted by: cfm | November 2, 2007 12:42 PM

I JUST SAW THE AWFULL VIDEO WITH ANIMAL TORTURING. I AM TOTALLY SHOCKED!!! I THING THAT IS INAPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO PUBLISH THIS!!! SOMEONE COULD THINK THAT ONLY AN ILL PERSON COULD SHOW THIS TO THE PUBLIC. AND SOMEONE COULD BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD HAVE PAY TO HAVE AND SHOW THIS TRASH!!! I WISH YOU WILL NOT DO THE SAME MISTAKE AGAIN... I PROTEST!!! THIS IS NOT THE APROPRIATE WAY TO SENSITISIZE PEOPLE... YOU ONLY GIVE WAYS TO SICK PEOPLE TO IMMITATE THOSE "HUMANS" TORTURING THE INNOCENT ANIMALS...

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2007 01:26 PM

Closed my BeBe account today.

Posted by: Maria Parks | November 2, 2007 06:16 PM

To: any NEWCOMERS who seriously want to learn about ANIMAL RIGHTS'

Please be aware that there are frequent commenters on this blog site who are against animal rights'
Their comments do not reflect our beliefs. And other than having nothing better to do, they basically comment on here to vent their hatred and nonsense.

Among the anti's a/r's are MARS and Caboose.

Posted by: Ariel | November 2, 2007 08:01 PM

Anonymous

But censorship is a bitch.

Posted by: Caboose | November 2, 2007 11:49 PM

STOP COMPLAINING! there are a lot bigger issues in the world than some pathetic bunnys. people like you make me sick.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 3, 2007 09:45 AM

Anonymous from November 2, 2007 01:26 PM:

You better get back on your meds quickly. Only an "ill person" (or someone within the industry who has something to hide) would want to cover up this horrible abuse. And it is only "ill" people who are capable of abusing animals in such a way.

Anonymous from November 3, 2007 09:45 AM:

Please tell us, what "bigger issues" are you involved in? You are the pathetic one if you think it is okay for anyone to allow these horrors to continue. This site is for people who want to focus on animal rights (quick quiz: What does the "A" in PETA stand for?). Go find a site that is for psychopathic animal killers and leave us alone.

Posted by: Michele | November 3, 2007 04:38 PM

Hahaha i find the ignorance of some of you very amusing. If you find the videos of animal torture too hard to watch then instead of whining about it on here why don't you do something about it, like start living a cruelty free lifestyle. If your too selfish to do so maybe you should stay off this site. It's much easier to be a coward that sits behind a computer and talks shit about something they are obviously not educated in than take a stand against the majority of society and say "it's not ok."

Posted by: Lyndzie | November 3, 2007 05:03 PM

I think it's UNFAIR to kill poor and innocent rabbits for a fur collar, there are plenty of alternatives to that, for a cheaper price tag.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 3, 2007 06:36 PM

Ariel

Thx fur spreadin ignorance you animal socialist. (Ignorance by telling the nOObs not to look at an anti's comment(s) to get another point of view.)

Rights are meant to be fought for, not given. Look at the Revolutionary War. The colonists FOUGHT for their rights instead of waiting for someone else to give them rights. :P

Posted by: Caboose | November 3, 2007 07:02 PM

Hey Ariel, where and what are these "animal rights" you keep spouting off about?Doesn't seem they exist except in some delusional minds.

Posted by: Mars | November 3, 2007 08:38 PM

Ariel

So if it doesnt agree with PETA it's nonsense. .....................socialists.

Posted by: Caboose | November 3, 2007 11:27 PM

I'm not sure I understand...they announced that they will stop selling fur in 3 months and you are still all over them?? I know it's not ideal but it's a HUGE deal that they said they will stop!! Celebrate your victories and move on to another company who has no plans of pulling fur from the shelves.

Posted by: Michele Vieira | November 4, 2007 12:41 AM

What Bebe did is sickening. They lied about caring just to get protesters away. That's not helping, that's worse. It makes me even MORE angry that they lied to stop us from protesting that it would but me if they hadn't lied at all.

Posted by: Mariyah | November 4, 2007 01:54 AM

they are so sick

Posted by: alex | November 4, 2007 06:31 AM

Anonymous 11-03-07, 9:45 am

Obviously those "lot bigger issues in the world" aren't so important to you after all since you have time to COMPLAIN on an ANIMAL RIGHTS' blog site. Pathetic people like you make me sick because you're all talk, no action.

Posted by: Ariel | November 4, 2007 08:05 AM

Anonymous

So if we make you sick, then why are you here? Go away! Only a fool stays where "you make me sick". DUH! Go do something about the other issus you purport to care about. We are on the right blog: THE ANIMAL RIGHTS BLOG!!!!

Posted by: Ana | November 4, 2007 02:36 PM

According to my understanding, this is an ANIMAL RIGHTS' blog site - that has a cause and presents animal-related issues - and for those who are seriously interested in LEARNING the beliefs of a/r's activists.

According to the anti's, it is their understanding that this is any blog site on which they surf through just to prove their lack of reading comprehension and make comments to prove their ignorance, stupidity, and nonsense - and then become HIGHLY DISTURBED when it is pointed out to them or about them.

So, rational people may ask: why do they comment on here? Well, the same rational people will arrive at the conclusion that the anti's are attention-seeking losers, the same type of attention-seeking losers who comment on other blog sites just to bring attention to their ignorance.

So again, to anyone who is mature and seriously interested in LEARNING about ANIMAL RIGHTS' please be aware that this blog site has its irrational losers, the anti's who don't have a clue about what is going on, just like any other blog site has them. Thank you.
Ariel, REAL Animal Rights' Activist

Posted by: Ariel | November 5, 2007 09:50 AM

Read some history, fool:

Rights were fought for children (because they can't do it for themselves) as well as for the mentally challenged, the homeless and even for prisoners. Duh!! Since animals are not even given the status of sentience we animal advocates have to do it for them.
Revolutionary War was fought for independence. Duh!!!

Posted by: Ana | November 5, 2007 04:08 PM

Ariel likes the phrase "attention seeking loser(s)". Oh well, it doesnt mean a thing.

Posted by: Caboose (neutral, blue army. Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha) | November 5, 2007 04:10 PM

"attention seeking loser(s)" may not mean a thing to the attention-seeking losers, but they DO PROVE that they are! : )

Hi, Ana! : )
Isn't it pathetic that we have to explain every single thing to these losers? And they are even pathetic losers because they STILL don't get it! : )

Posted by: Ariel | November 5, 2007 05:10 PM

Wow Mars, you must be pretty special if your personal denial of a movement that has been going on for decades (and even more intensively since Peter Singer wrote "Animal Liberation" in the 70s) will simply make it cease to exist.

Ariel, how dare you be an "animal socialist" and not tell us? LOL (what is an animal socialist anyway????). Clearly that anti Caboose has WAAAY too much time on his/her hands. I hope the newcomers to this site will be appropriately offended by the term "noobs".

To Ariel, Ana, Mike Q and the other REAL a/r activists around here, I am almost finished reading "Trust Us, We're Experts" about how scientists and businesses cover up what is really going on, and how they spin things to suit their own needs, and financial interests in particular (thanks Mike for the recommendation about that book!). The more I read, the more I wondered about some comments made by Ariel a few weeks ago about Mars and others being part of the industry, planting "facts" on this site, trying to brainwash people into thinking that factory farming/hunting, etc, isn't so bad. Ariel, I think you hit the nail on the head on that one.

Ana, right on! I have to wonder how that particular anti thinks that animals are going to fight for their own rights.

Posted by: Michele | November 5, 2007 05:37 PM

Posted by Ana;

"Rights were fought for children (because they can't do it for themselves) as well as for the mentally challenged, the homeless and even for prisoners. "

Hate to disappoint you but they where not given rights that they did not already have in a documented form.They do not have rights but where "given: rights and are a different, somewhat, then the Rights the rest of us have.Example, felons,mental problems get denied the 2nd Admendment.

Even so, as I asked, where are these written animal rights? They have none.

Posted by: Mars | November 5, 2007 07:51 PM

Hi, Michele! : ) LOL

I had to laugh at that one too! I can hardly type right now because I'm laughing so much! LOLOLOLOL Sorry I didn't tell all of you that I'm an animal socaialist, but when I figure what it's supposed to be, then I'll let you know ------I can't type anymore I'm laughing too much : ) LOLLOLOLOL get back to you again LOLOLOL

Posted by: Ariel | November 5, 2007 09:04 PM

Dont know what socialism is? Search it.

What's so bad about having lots of time on your hands?

Because we dont like PETA makes us losers? (Ive got enough attention anyway)

Posted by: Caboose (neutral, blue army. Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha) | November 5, 2007 10:21 PM

Mars

You are an idiot; you have no knowledge of history. The Constitution did not give women, children, blacks or Native Americans rights. Women and children were chattel. These groups had to fight to gain them and adults fought for children's rights. The 2nd amendment has been misinterpreted for centuries and is still being debated. There are many that do not want to carry weapons to kill either human or non-human animals. I will not waste anymore time on this with you because you simply are a fool and a waste of time.

Posted by: Ana | November 6, 2007 01:16 PM

Ariel and Michele

I certainly agree and appreciate your consistently intelligent comments. Since a lot of people from law enforcement attend animal rights conferences in order to become privy to our life-affirming activities, why not have members of the animal killing/abusing/user-unfriendly cabal on this blog to not only spread their untruths but also to spy. I have not read the word "socialist" so many times in a minute as I have on this blog. Must be a favorite word it can spell. You naughty socialist---better yet---an animal-friendly socialist. Put your head down in laughter! :) Thanks to both of you for being so supportive. Keep fighting the good fight!

Posted by: Ana | November 6, 2007 03:47 PM

And here we go again. Sorry to disappoint the space cadet, but Ana is absolutely correct. And btw, Ana just happens to be a very, very, well educated professor and very well-rounded in her education. So if I were the space cadet, I'd proceed with caution in challenging her - actually if I were the space cadet, I wouldn't proceed at all! I wonder how the space cadet figures those rights just happened to appear on documented forms if not having been fought for.
And what ever industry the space cadet may be part of, its title is "stooge."

Posted by: Ariel | November 6, 2007 07:45 PM

Michele

Stop metioning children, the disabled, mentals, etc. Is the phrase IN GENERAL too much?

Posted by: Caboose (neutral, blue army. Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha) | November 6, 2007 09:39 PM

Hi, Ana! : )
Getting back to you about the your student who sought you out to tell you about his decision to go veg., that must have been a very exhilirating experience! A high-five to you, Ana! I have a LOT more respect for that financially poor, under-graduate than I do for the "highly educated" you know who. That student is so much richer in standards than you know who will ever be.
Michele and Ana, : )
I still get a good laugh at being called a (animal) socialist repeatedly. LOL
(actually the real reason why I didn't tell all of you is because I was just recently informed of it myself - so I didn't have much of a chance to spread it around) LOL
I'm coming to the conclusion that it means I socialize with my dog and cats. : )

Michele : )
I didn't read any mention of you writing "children, disabled, and mentals, etc." but just remember that "sage" advice in case you ever do write them: from here on, use the phrase "IN GENERAL" and everybody will know exactly what you meant. LOL (I'm beginning to think that the anti's have a group formed for the reading comprehension impaired) LOL

Posted by: Ariel | November 7, 2007 08:00 PM

Caboose (or halo snipe or Mr. Chief...): ???? You make NO sense whatsoever. Many a/r activists are also involved in other causes or work in human services fields - we work with and advocate for children, the elderly, the homeless, abused women, etc, etc. That is because we are compassionate earthlings and do not necessarily limit our work and/or advocacy to animal issues. And I would not be using such a derogatory term as "mentals" if I were you (thank goodness I am NOT you!).

Posted by: Michele | November 7, 2007 10:09 PM

Ana

It?

Posted by: Caboose (neutral, blue army. Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha) | November 8, 2007 04:20 PM

Still waiting on those animal rights that are documented and fought by the animals to get.

"The 2nd amendment has been misinterpreted for centuries and is still being debated. "

Doesn't change the fact that felons and mental people are denied their Rights and many have them completely stripped away.

"The Constitution did not give women, children, blacks or Native Americans rights."

Yes it did just not at the begining.Today the all have equal Rights under the Constitution and with the exception of women voting it did not require adding anything.

Posted by: Mars | November 9, 2007 08:20 AM

Mars,

There are more than 90 law schools that are now offering animal law programs.  

There are also animal rights lawyers.

These represent de jure existence of animal rights. 

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | November 9, 2007 03:48 PM

Mars

You are learning disabled. The ORIGIN of the Constitution DID NOT give these groups rights. You desperately need history, fool.

What are "mental people" btw??? Not giving felons weapons in their hands is a good thing. You disagree?

You need to read the amendments, fool. Does the 13th, 14th, 15th ring a bell? Duh!!!! How about the 27th amendment?? How about the fact that not all WHITE MEN were created equal....only white men with PROPERTY were allowed to vote and participate in the government. Whew!!!! dumb!

Posted by: Ana | November 9, 2007 05:49 PM

Hello Ariel:

I am beginning to wonder why I am given the opportunity to teach history when I don't know any history!!!! Mars certainly knows a lot more ; it learned history while playing with its traps.
Thanks for your support, your sense of humor, and for being intelligent. Mars calling you stupid is really laughable. LOL, can't stop laughing. The University of Uranus has produced wonders!
:)

Posted by: Ana | November 9, 2007 05:55 PM

Michele

Then your life must suck if you arent like me. (You gets no free time, I do. You directly help, I become an FDR and give them advice)

Weird, I never said that a/r's were limited in helping animals only.

I believe in sacrificing(not rituals) in order to save the more numerous rest. I believe in progression, not going back to our deep roots and not learning anymore.

I am not mental, but a thinker/tactician (I also dont believe in weird words that mean a simpler word. Whats the point?)

Posted by: Caboose (neutral, blue army. Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha) | November 9, 2007 11:15 PM

Ariel and others

I am merely a half anti!

Posted by: Caboose (neutral, blue army. Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha) | November 10, 2007 06:16 PM

There's absolutely nothing wrong with people leaving dissenting opinions. If nothing else, anyone reading these comments to learn need to focus more on these comments then anyone else's. How can you know what or how to fight if you don't know both sides of the issue?
And I strongly disagree with fur, but they're going to stop. They aren't pretending to make people think they care, but if they just burn what they've already made, that's not fair to them. Life is about compromise. Be willing to meet them on this middle ground, it's better then nothing.
Also, you made their case obvious. They're competition agreed to stop long before they did. From a business stand point, that makes it really hard to stop yourself. They own more of the market the more of their competitors stop selling fur. There willingness to stop at all is a victory...

Posted by: Tim R | November 11, 2007 12:48 PM

Also, I will have to agree with Michelle. The SPCC would not exist if it were not for the SPCA. Yes, it is sad that the SPCC existed first, but at the time societal attitudes were that children were just smaller adults. They did not need protection. The SPCA were the first to fight a child abuse case (an extremely awful case at that). From that, child abuse laws and the SPCC began forming.

Posted by: Tim R | November 11, 2007 01:16 PM

"Only a fool stays where "you make me sick".

Posted by the fool that watches PETA video then posts how sick it made her.LOL

13th Amendment abolished slavery. That included ALL colors including white and black slaves.

14th-Citizenship, Whats your point on this one?

15th-1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Pretty clear to me that it says ALL can vote.Settled legal arguments of who could or couldn't.Nothing in the Constitution banned anybody from voting the legal system was the ones saying people could not.

27th-No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.

"only white men with PROPERTY were allowed to vote and participate in the government. "

By law not Constitution.Yep, seems the law stated that those actualy contributing to society should be the ones deciding the issues.Ever wonder where the "welfare mentality" started and came about?.

"Not giving felons weapons in their hands is a good thing. You disagree?"

Yep. It is a stupid law then and remains so.Felons break laws so you expect them to obey them? Have you ever met a felon that was incapable of getting a firearm if they wanted one?

Posted by: Mars | November 13, 2007 08:10 AM

Mars

I am no fool, nor did I say the videos make me sick. I said, jerk, that all cruelty towards animals makes me sad and angry. Your comments make no sense and are a waste of time. Yes, the Constitution denied all of the rights I have listed that is why amendments were needed to rectify the wrongs. You do not know history. But why I am wasting my time with you is a good question. The answer:I need to stop. Now crawl back into your cave. Don't address any of your bile or nonsense to me it is just too stupid but so are you.

Posted by: Ana | November 14, 2007 04:19 PM

Some rabbits are specifically grown for human food, and the pelts are processed to make coats, line winter shoes and the like. I tend to think a lot of you are somewhere between ignorant and plain stupid when it comes to a lot of the issues you make noise about. And, noise is all it is.
Jacob Watson

Posted by: Jacob B. Watson | May 9, 2008 05:01 PM