Some effort is better than none, I guess!

Posted by: MeL | October 3, 2007 12:21 PM

Now that he's reformed you should ask him to take off his clothes and do an ad for PETA. He is a fairly typical uneducated overpaid fellow (not unlike most PETA spokespersons, just with a different set of ignorance), and I expect he will do anything to polish his image (at the request of council) as he is most desperate to salvage what's left of any earning potential he may have.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 3, 2007 12:38 PM

You're just picking on Vick 'cause he's black!

but seriously - this is my favorite PETA Files post(that didn't include nekkid ladies).

Posted by: jimbo | October 3, 2007 12:43 PM

No one from PETA said Vick was "reformed". Try reading the whole story next time.

Most PETA spokespeople are educated, and are not "ignorant". Alec Baldwin, Sir Paul McCartney, the Dalai Lama, Alicia Silverstone, Dr. Jane Goodall, Shania Twain, Sir John Gielgud, James Cromwell, Stella McCartney, Jorja Fox, etc, etc, etc, to name just a few of the well-known, intelligent people who speak up for animals on behalf of PETA. You sure have managed to insult a large group of people in one fell swoop. Nice...

Posted by: Michele | October 3, 2007 01:04 PM

Jack:

It seems you haven't gotten enough snide remarks from cochran that make no sense. Would you post intelligent remarks, please? Animal advocates are very much aware of the stupid mindset of animal haters/killers so we really aren't learning anything from them.

I do understand why PETA chose to educate Vick about the cruelty that animals endure at the hands of man and that developing compassion for them is both noble and essential. It's up to Vick now whether he truly wants to reform.

Posted by: Ana | October 3, 2007 01:09 PM

Michele,

"Most" of the famous people you quote as well as "most" of the famous people who endorse PETA are not what I would call intellectual heavyweights. Obviously, there are a few exceptions.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 3, 2007 01:14 PM

Michele-

You're right, of course. But Cochran's image of Vick posing nude for the animals is, well, LOL.

Posted by: The Good Steve | October 3, 2007 01:27 PM

I'm a doctor so listen to me. I'm a doctor but yet I have time to read PETA's blog everyday, which is very realistic. I'm a sarcastic MD. I'm a smarter Dr. than Jane Goodall because she's related to monkeys. I'm not really a doctor, but saying so helps me pretend I'm smarter than you. I heal the sick!

Posted by: Dr. Christopher Cockman | October 3, 2007 02:09 PM

Wow.....and the sad part is this Cochran fellow is a doctor.....makes me really nervous about who they let practice the medical arts these days. What am I saying, Josef Mengele was a doctor...so I guess there is precedent here. Now if the good doctor would actually practice medicine, instead of "trying" to sound intellectual, he would realize that the virtue of anyone who gives of their free time for others, acts more out of morality, than of intellect. Simply put, even IF the spokespeople weren't that intellectual, (I actually think they are), the important thing here, (and what they will be judged on) is content of their caracter. Fear not good doctor, this does NOT apply to you since you have neither intelect or character. So doctor, please continue your work at Groß Rosen and Birkenau, and leave commenting on animal rights to the people who have a soul.

And remember, you cannot spell Cochran (phonetically)without cock.

Posted by: Paul Calpin | October 3, 2007 02:54 PM

Folks, think about it. Christopher Cochran went to med school on our dime, and he collects tax money to "treat" people.

One does wonder how he has so much time to post pro- animal abuse stuff on comments boards, not to mention hateful comments about people.

But hey! he is collecting our money while he does this (and his nurse runs a puppy mill) so go figure

Posted by: kelly | October 3, 2007 02:57 PM

is peta going to help vick the thug to get a lighter sentence because vick goes to peta's education course etc?
I HOPE NOT!!!!!!!!!!
vick should be neutered asap.
thanks

Posted by: ann | October 3, 2007 02:57 PM

Dear Doctor Cochran,

You're not a doctor, but you play one in your head, and with yourself.

Physician, heal thy self.

Posted by: Dayan Crosson | October 3, 2007 02:57 PM

I quite bluntly must say that I respect Michael Vick for doing this. Attack me if you will, but I think that he didn't have to do this. He chose to do it.

Perhaps he might consider setting up a foundation for poor and rural pounds who often only have shacks for buildings and can't even hire a vet to alter, treat, or euthanize animals. Nor hire staff to enforce anticruelty codes.

Posted by: kelly | October 3, 2007 03:01 PM

Ana,
How about some vegan cheese with your whine?

Dr Cockman,
It's good to see another physician on here, welcome.
I didn't now they let fifth graders take the boards, though.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 3, 2007 03:05 PM

Firstly, I'm going to give thanks to PETA (the organization which is many up of MANY people, not just Jack and Ingrid) for their efforts to change a man from the inside. Now, for all of the people commenting on how they think that he's only doing this to get a lighter sentence and that supposedly PETA is supporting that, where EXACTLY did you hear that? Because I sure haven't seen it posted officially on this blog. Let me ask you something, you are all aware that he's going to get out of jail eventually... right? Wouldn't you rather him have had a reason and the resources to change his ways than for him to be the exact same person he was? And everybody has to have a chance at forgiveness, otherwise nobody would bother to become a better person. We were all (and some of us still are) teenagers and have made horrible, disgusting decisions. But we wouldn't have changed if we didn't have a chance at being forgiven! And yes, this very well could be a publicity stunt, but let us all pay very close attention to the word and meaning of MAYBE. He could be serious, or he could be lying. Either way, it won't hurt anyone that he's taken an empathy class (and will hopefully continue to do so), because he's still going to be sentenced.

Posted by: Brianna Fritchey | October 3, 2007 03:10 PM

trusting vick with animals is like :
using a fox to guard your chicken :)

neuter michae vick ASAP.

Posted by: ann | October 3, 2007 03:11 PM

People, please give Vick a chance did it every occur to you that he may change.

Posted by: Kay | October 3, 2007 03:11 PM

7. Vick is working with children. This makes it all the more important that we arm him with facts about respect for animals and how to treat them.
______________________________________

Your #7 is so important. Personally, I tend to lean toward the opinion that Vick's recent actions with PETA are a recommendation from his legal team to sway the judge's opinion in hopes that the judge will grant him leniency during his December sentencing. However, being that Vick has a following by the youth of this country, it is imperative that these young kids get the message from their "hero" that hurting animals is cruel and not cool.

I'm in the camp that is totally disgusted that Vick was conducting dogfights and killing dogs. I think he should be permanently banned from the NFL and incarcerated for his actions. But there's no disputing the fact that kids are impressionable and tend to emulate the adults they look up to.

Posted by: V. Soto | October 3, 2007 03:24 PM

LOVE IT!!!!!
Dr. Cockman is a Fake Dr. and a fake human.
LMAO

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter | October 3, 2007 03:34 PM

Dr. C, it is ironic that you chastise some PETA reps as "uneducated" while simultaneously allege Vick is acting "at request of council." You're probably trying to refer to his lawyers, in which case, you'd want to select "counsel" there, chief. It's a shame medical schools don't offer courses in English, eh? Anyhow, Jack, excellent points all around.

Posted by: Dean Ween | October 3, 2007 03:47 PM

It is a shame that after all the good work PETA has done to shed light on the horrible crimes of Vick, they are letting themselves be used in this way.
The headlines for the major 24 HR news agencies would have it seem that Vick is now a paid staff member at PETA.

Like he gets it now. Keep in mind that this person killed himself, or had arranged to be killed in fights, hundreds of animals for his enjoyment. Now, he takes a class and it's all better. I know, I know that is not PETA's stance, but that is how it getting played in the media, and by his attorneys, and it’s sad.

He has not said or done anything yet to show that he is remorseful for what he did, and the fact is, he’s probably not. He is just sorry for being caught.

Posted by: DA | October 3, 2007 03:51 PM

By "council" do you mean his attorneys?

Posted by: Susan | October 3, 2007 03:55 PM

Iam sorry but I think this was a stupid move on Petas part. Do You folks not think that this will not have an effect on the judge when it comes time to sentence this creature???? I think that maybe Peta should have waited until after sentencing to allow this creep into its offices. Vick has never said he was sorry for the killing or torture of these animals, he has only said it was immature.. Bad move on your part Peta.

Posted by: Kerry H | October 3, 2007 04:09 PM

Ok please answer me this if this is cause Vick is black why is PETA even offering to help him at all? The matter of race has been played out here. I think any one with half an ounce of intelligence could figure out this is not because of his color.

I am really on the fence about Vick even having the opportunity to take these classes that in turn may affect his character when the trial date comes forth. On one hand I realize why Peta is offering classes such as this and urging all NFL players to take one, But on the other hand I have seen many comments that show people are not happy with the thought of PETA helping Vick out at all. I think it is a little too late to try and educate Vick on animals for he has already done the damage to several of them. You can not learn compassion for animals when you never had any in the first place. I do think that young kids need to know the difference between right, and wrong, but Vick is a grown may and he for sure knows the difference. I just hope that this does not back fire on Peta for I know their intentions were in the right place..I am just not sure everyone agrees with giving Vick any brownie points before the trial in my opinion he does not deserve them.

Posted by: Dana | October 3, 2007 04:25 PM

Glad to see that PETA is doing what they can ... but I still think Michael Vick is an ass****.

Posted by: sherri | October 3, 2007 04:35 PM

Most MDs are intelligent and competent. Obviously there are a few exceptions...

And to the new and improved Dr. C: good one! LMAO

Posted by: Michele | October 3, 2007 04:37 PM

I was going to picket with PETA for a long jail term for Vick on December 10 - but now that PETA has betrayed us by assisting this scum of humanity. I will not send any more donations ever again - Doris

Posted by: Doris Michaud | October 3, 2007 05:01 PM

Doris, Doris, Doris, why you be hatin'?

It is not a "betrayal" to try to talk some sense into Vick. I think this is a terrific move by PETA. Jail doesn't reform people, counseling does. PETA's empathy course is a form of counseling, something that Vick obviously needs quite desperately.

Maybe his motives weren't pure, but I like to think that he may have actually learned something from spending 8 hours at PETA. Hey, it might help Dr. Cochran, too.

Posted by: Catgrrrl | October 3, 2007 05:32 PM

I feel as though you people are crazy. Yes I am a african american woman. I stand behind Vick and he would do good to spit in all of your faces. You people would rather condem a human and have compassion for them but rather have compassion for a fucking dog! Then you want to bring his upbringing in it. Get the fuck out of la la land and understand that he made a mistake. Lets look into your closets to see what skeletons you have in it then make you lose your job and your freedom. Who made your crazy asses the police of what to do with animals. I'm going to support Vick, talk shit about PETA, eat meat, wear leather, fur and laugh at your crazy dumb asses. Get your heads out of asses and think about the human being behind the issue, oh thats right he is a black man so he is beneath an animal. Go after the child molestors, or George Bush for sending all of the those soldiers off to their death. Oh that's to much like right, their not animals their only of the species of you dumb fucks.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2007 06:27 PM

Nice publicity stunt PETA. Did he promise to become a veggie eater too? If anyone in your org. really thinks he'll change just by sitting through your "class", you need to lay off the tofu for a while.

Posted by: prag | October 3, 2007 06:53 PM

Shame on your PETA. You've sold out! I never thought it would happen, your support has been bought! PETA is known for its sometimes aggressive and extreme measures, you have members that have thrown blood/red dye on people in fur coats or carrying Alligator Bags, I guess this wouldn't happen if before you purchase the fur coat or bag you simply make a sizeable donation to PETA and then after you buy say "Sorry, now I get it"! I'm very sorry that I waisted my time with the petitions you had going around, apparently they were meaningless, Michael Vick has been forgiven and it's like it never happened. Those 8 hours cured him and returned is conscience! SHAME ON PETA FOR SELLING OUT!

Posted by: Mike Tallent | October 3, 2007 07:10 PM

where the white women at? was'nt there a congressman or senator involved in a scam just recently or did we forget that it costs us money every time they stroke, i mean vote for more war!!! but who cares!!! how bout those millions of dollars that came up missin on a military plane.... but who cares!!!! not you white folks cause you love gettin stroked while vick or his lackies are fightin dogs that were created to hunt, kill, scare and attack runaway black slaves!!! guess you should put me on the Hater List right next to Vick! what's the count up to now... 2 dogs down....48 to go?!!!!

Posted by: ronnie x | October 3, 2007 07:35 PM

Nice job reading the fucking post, Prag and Mike Tallent. Do you guys just go straight to the comments to mouth off, or are you ashamed to admit that you can't actually read?

Morons.

Posted by: Geoff | October 3, 2007 07:52 PM

You were the only people that I truly believed in that were genuine in their love of animals!!The treatment of these cherished souls SHOULD BE NOTHING LESS THAN WITH THE UTMOST KINDNESS & AFFECTION THAT THEY WILL ALWAYS DESERVE in their all too short lives!! HOW DARE YOU DISSAPPOINT THEM LIKE THIS??? HANGING,ELECTROCUTION,BEATING, DROWNING,etc,ect????????? NEED I GO ON??? YOU SHOULD BE ASSHAMED OF YOURSELVES!!!!! LOOK INTO A DOGS EYES INGRID&CO and SLEEP WELL!!!

Posted by: Johnine | October 3, 2007 08:06 PM

10-3-2007

TO INGRID NEWKIRK-PRESIDENT

I FEEL THAT MICHEAL VICK COMPLETED THE COURSE FOR DEVELOPING EMPATHY FOR ANIMALS ONE DAY SEMINAR.

NEWKIRK WOULD LIKE FOR VICK TO APPEAR IN A PETA PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
SAYING THESE WORDS:

" LOOK AT ME, LOOK HOW FAR I'VE FALLEN AFTER BEING A STAR.

I HOPE HE DOES NOT AGREED
TO MAKE A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT FOR PETA.

PETA IS TRYING TO DISGRACE HIM BY SAYING THOSE WORDS.

YOU ALL ARE SICK AND I WISH YOU WOULD LEAVE HIM ALONE AND LET THE COURTS TAKE CARE OF THIS MATTER.

IF IT WAS YOUR RELATIVE WOULD YOU WANT HIM TO SAY THOSE WORDS?

GET A LIFE AND DISCUSS ANOTHER MATTER BESIDES MICHEAL VICK.

Posted by: Sheena | October 3, 2007 08:47 PM

Johnine, I'm guessing that you can't be much older than 14, so I'll be gentle here:

For the love of God, read the fucking post and stop being such a goddamn alarmist. What in Christ's name did you see in there that made you reach for the caps lock key so many fucking times? PETA is still advocating for Vick to go to prison, but they took an opportunity to educate him about why what he did was wrong.

Take a fucking valium, for all of our sakes.

Posted by: Geoff | October 3, 2007 08:53 PM

If I was losing all the money Mr. Vick is losing I to would do anything to try and reverse public opinion.What he did is unforgiveable period.

Posted by: mike | October 3, 2007 10:37 PM

Read a Yahoo news article about Vick taking the Peta course. They really made it sound like he was an angel! The Peta rep told Yahoo that Vick was so attentive. He even took notes! Then I read the Peta site and it says he still needs to serve his hard time for the wrongs he did. Say it again Peta. Loud and clear. Not just on your site, but so all the news media can hear. He was the big man in front of his buddies to do the cruel thing, he should be man enough to stand up and face the punishment. By the way, his great buddies bailed out on him! These are cowards. As for attentive and taking notes, don't we all know how much he stands to lose if he goes to jail? His lawyers and advisors told him to go to the Peta class. Told him to pay attention, to look concerned and empathetic. Told him it was his only hope in saving his career. That's the career that provided him the money to buy the dog fighting facility!!! I've heard people say he should have meat tied around his neck and thrown in with vicious pit bulls. Hmmm. The more I hear of him the more I think he's a fake. He lied about the whole thing from the start. He's lying now. Face your fate Vick.

Posted by: GJ | October 3, 2007 11:41 PM

After all the years I've supported (defended?) PETA, you sell out the poor dogs for the chance to have Michael Vick for your friend. Maybe your critics have been right all along. You are only doing this for the donations. You should be so ashamed of yourself Ingrid Newkirk. I always put you on a pedistal. Now I think of you as someone who doesn't really care about those poor pit bulls and other fighting dogs. You are only interested in getting more donations...and for what? Now I wonder just where all that money goes. I have called to withdraw my membership, and I will do all I can to get my friends to support other, more professional and honest animal rights organizations. I am just shocked that you are more interested in making friends with Michael Vick and helping him out of a stiff prison sentence than with helping his victims. And worst of all, now that you are helping him lessen his sentence, you will actually be subjecting more dogs to torture and fighting in the future since thier owners will have no reason to think anything much will happen to them for their crime...after all, they can just take PETA's little class and everyone will be happy!
I would also ask...it's odd that you only offered the course to Vick (who is famous) and not to his three co-defendents.

Posted by: SCgirl | October 4, 2007 12:48 AM

Mike- PETA educated Vick on WHY what he did was wrong. They are still saying that he shouldn't be allowed to own animals nor are they suggesting that he not serve time- this is the definition of NOT SELLING OUT Jesus- i'm all about animal rights but they need to keep monkeys off of computers!! JEEEZ

Posted by: Russell | October 4, 2007 02:10 AM

Whatever PETA wants to do, educate etc with Michael Vick the thug, should be wait until AFTER he serve his jail time.
WHY such a hurry?
The thug's pr team is going to use PETA to make the thug look like an angel.
I don't understand.

Posted by: ann | October 4, 2007 03:32 AM

"I'm going to support Vick, talk shit about PETA, eat meat, wear leather, fur and laugh at your crazy dumb asses."

Nice try, hillbilly hunter.

All those hillbillies make the same freaking spelling mistakes lol while they pretend to be other people

Posted by: kelly | October 4, 2007 05:45 AM

And I always get a charge from the ones like Doris Michaud that claim they'll "never give another donation."

Yeah, like they ever did!!

Posted by: kelly | October 4, 2007 05:47 AM

Michael can be one if not the greatest asset to PETA since its conception. Use his star power to become a annual TV commercial PETA spokesman, Pettition the courts to make this a part of his sentencing deal. Dont expect him to to be a spokesman, get sensitivity training, do commercials, then go to jail, and then never be allowed to have pets,now whos cruel and ruthless, Vick or PETA.

Posted by: Gary Sr | October 4, 2007 06:51 AM

sheena, PETA is trying to disgrace Vick? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA Now THAT is funny. He has managed to do that all alone and he hasn't been disgraced enough as far as I'm concerned. I will not leave him alone. Who are you to tell PETA to stop discussing Michael Vick? Get your own blog and write what you want.

PETA why do you continue to let some of these nuts posts go through? I can understand some of the difference of opinions but those such as sheena show they are clearly NUTS, along with the idiotic posts about animals lovers not caring about anything else. It gets old seeing the same thing time after time.

Posted by: sherri | October 4, 2007 08:56 AM

I agree with PETA's stance that some people need to be educated that animals can feels pain, fear, etc.

What I don't agree with is PETA's timing of their 'education' of Vick. PETA should have waited and educated groups of inmates, including Vick and not publicize the fact that he 'passed' an animal empathy test before he's even gone to trial or receieved sentencing. Just another Vick PR stunt and unfortunately PETA gave him an audience.

Posted by: jay | October 4, 2007 09:34 AM

Kelly,
I promise you I didn't use one cent of your money to go to medical school. I know exactly where it came from. And, don't worry about tax money...I contribute more than my fair share. My nurse does not run a puppy mill, and you are a liar for saying so.

Paul,
Your history lesson was great!! Listen twerp, you know nothing about me or my moral standing. I relieve more suffering and pain in humans, and help more animals than you have thoughts in that pitiful little lump of fat you call a brain. I am sure most of the Jews, Roma, and Slavs, who suffered under the Nazis would be proud to see you belittle what they endured.

Dean,
Thank you for your correction.
I always appreciate the opportunity to learn. Did you have something substantial to add?

For the record, I think Michael Vick may be the most stupid public figure I have ever seen. To ruin a promising and lucrative career in anything with something as
trivial and base as dog fighting. Amazing.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 4, 2007 09:42 AM

Dr, Cochran:
OK, so you proved your point. People respond to your posts because you're a doctor and, therefore, your superior intelligence causes everyone to pay attention. Uh...no. They respond to your posts because you're obnoxious and condescending.
OK? OK.

Posted by: Susannah S | October 4, 2007 10:15 AM

SC Girl, your type is worse than the people who come on here to talk about how they love meat. And by your type, I mean the little worms who come out of the woodwork without fucking fail every time Peta does something controversial, and fake like you've been along for the ride since the beginning, but "this time they've gone too far"

This is the one that did it for you, huh? Finally, after thousands of different actions on hundreds of different issues, Peta pushed you over the edge by talking to an animal abuser about animal suffering. That was just too much for SC Girl. Well, good fucking riddance.

Posted by: Geoff | October 4, 2007 10:34 AM

My my, seems some people have hit a nerve with the Faux Doctor :))

Posted by: Michele | October 4, 2007 03:26 PM

Anonymous black woman, get an education and stop being racist. I am sick of these hateful tirades. Being hateful and insulting to others is not endearing. Showing compassion to both human and non-human animals is ethical and noble. This is ANIMAL RIGHTS BLOG so if you are so concerned about child molesters get off your big butt and do something about it. Being that you are ignorant: fyi, humans are animals.

Posted by: Ana | October 4, 2007 03:45 PM

Michele, Susannah S. and Judith

Totally agree with your comments. Even when I don't address cochran he responds to me. Funny, who would think an animal-killer would be so sensitive and also have so MUCH time to reply. Does not sound like a successful "practice".
It is always refreshing to read your comments. Keep fighting the good fight!

Posted by: Ana | October 4, 2007 03:51 PM

Cochran

Was that an attempt to be witty??? LOL!! Your comment is inconsequential.

Posted by: Ana | October 4, 2007 03:54 PM

Kelly, the bigot.

Do you also refer to black people as "spearchucking dogfighters" and Jews as "money grubbing tightwads?" Or do you stick to the more traditional terms like "Ni**** and Ki**. Apparently eating meat is out and racism and bigotry is in.

Sincerely, a white man who lives in the rural south, .

Geoff, easy partner, their might be kids reading this.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 4, 2007 04:04 PM

Ana,
The fake Dr. is obsessed with you because you are so much stronger than he is and you intimidate him.
He can't stand that. LOL LOL
Great posts!!!!

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter | October 4, 2007 04:48 PM

So much hate ...

Just because Vick is black, doesn't make it ok for him to abuse animals. Sorry. And just because humans are abused doesn't make it ok to abuse animals. What is wrong with people these days?

Do you know why vegetarians can get so mean? Because people are constantly attacking us. Even on our OWN f***ing website, we get attacked. For what? For doing something so easy as changing our diets to not support horrible cruelty and killing? Sorry to offend, since I don't support animal abuse. If there was a sandwich that by not eating I would help save Jews in WWII, or children in Africa with AIDS, I wouldn't eat it. That is what you are condemning.

Thank you to anyone with a heart and a brain. Should be everyone ... sadly it's not ...

Love

Posted by: Silvia | October 4, 2007 10:22 PM

Itls hard for us to forgive our fellowman when he or shee takes the wrong turn in their life. But we must remember, although we're filled with hate and anger over a situation, The most we can do is leave it up to God to judge and punish. We have very little say no the matter and nothing we say or do will change that. So let's be civil, if he's guilty, he will be punished. In the meantime let us learn to get along with each other and look not only on the outside but for the beauty that comes from within.

Posted by: Earth_angel 1 | October 4, 2007 11:34 PM

PS Thank you for that enlightening post, Dr. Cochran. Did you come up with those terms yourself? I've never heard them before. I must say that this is no place for vulgar racist terms though, so you might want to take your own advice. I believe Kelly used the term "hillbilly," which on no way implies "African American." Incidentally, it may refer to you ... *there might be kids reading this ... sorry I'm a little obsessive when it comes to grammar ...

OK well, all this aside. I am sincerely curious why you are so against vegetarianism, doctor. Maybe you tried being one? Or you knew someone? I mean, is it for health reasons?

Posted by: Silvia | October 5, 2007 01:56 AM

cocky cochran MD:

your supercilious superiority complex is very telling and speaks loud and clear that you are indeed an outrageous, delusional legend in your own mind wise guy and PETA antagonist who litters these files with selfserving lies and pompous contentious drivel all the while deeming everyone else a fool!

amazing, f***ing amazing.

Posted by: 007 PHD | October 5, 2007 03:40 AM

Dear Mel: (person with first comment on this page)

Your command of the English language speaks for itself. "council?" Most "educated" people would know the correct word here would be "counsel." Need I say more?

Posted by: Mary | October 5, 2007 09:39 AM

so even mike vicks puppies are being put to sleep? what about ceaser mallon his thoughts on dogs that live in the now and rehabilitation? even as a child i've owned some very powerful breeds without problems. but i can understand the chance of theft.but like judas were these dogs destined for thier fate?

Posted by: monica romo | October 5, 2007 10:12 AM

mary, jokes on you, check out the real first post. Education?

Posted by: rojo | October 5, 2007 10:28 AM

Silvia,
If kelly uses racist terms like hillbilly, perhaps she uses other racist terms as well. Do you understand?

I have nothing whatsoever against vegetarianism. Originally I began posting here to refute the notion that a vegan diet is the healthiest. I believe a vegetarian diet is very healthy, just not the healthiest. When I posted that, all hell broke loose and a ton of angry posts came my way. I'm not whining, I was just a little surprised at how angry people became. I have come to believe that many of the people who post here have very lopsided information. That's not to say that the "PETA files" are all lies, rather they are overly biased and do not accurately describe many of the evils they purport. Oh, I beg your pardon regarding my errant grammar.

007,
Did you have something to say or were you just warming up your thesaurus? No, I don't think all peta disciples are fools, just you.

Mary,
If you are going to criticize my vocabulary, make sure you get the poster correct. It's nice to know you are so smart. I'll be happy to put my vocabulary up against yours any day of the week.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 5, 2007 12:42 PM

to anonymous fucking la la lady:

I hope from all my warmest heart that one day you shall live a real earthquake and that there shall be no 'fucking dogs' as you call them to dig for you and that in your old age when you become blind that there shall be no 'fucking dog' as you call them - to guide you! fall into the next abyss and remain there until the wind blows away your empty bones because already now you are a dead person without heart and without feelings!!! baaaah!

Posted by: Old Spiderwoman | October 5, 2007 03:31 PM

007 PhD

Great post!! October 5 3:40
I concur!!!! :)

Judith

Thanks! :)

Posted by: Ana | October 5, 2007 03:37 PM

this strange mister cochran md is a janus-head! he knows what i mean!

Posted by: Old Spiderwoman | October 5, 2007 04:08 PM

Hi Mary, it wasn't "Mel", but rather the faux Doctor.

Nonetheless, I agree with your commentary. Most, if not all, of the pro-Vicks have absolutely NO grasp of the English language. It's a sad state of affairs, to be sure. Still ... at least we know it's only the most ignorant people who support Vick and his brutality. I suppose every self-perceived slave/victim longs to be master of something/somebody ...failing a human, I suppose an animal will do.

I truly hope that PETA will seriously re-consider Vick as their next PSA spokes"person". I don't believe he is fit for the job. Please just let this f&*^ing a^&hole rot in jail. And for any idiot asking "where were your ancestors when blacks were being blah-blah-blah ..." I ask of you, where were you when my relatives were dying in the concentration camps? I got over it. Can you? No? Then f*&* off back to your gheto-mindset.

Posted by: VestaGirl | October 5, 2007 04:39 PM

Anonymous:
Frankly it might be a bit easier to absorb what you're spewing if you gave the perception of having cracked open a dictionary within the last couple of decades.

Try spell check next time!

Posted by: V. Soto | October 5, 2007 06:44 PM

beware of the fake doctors here on-board - these are just greetings from the vivisectionist-lobby!

Posted by: cagliostro | October 6, 2007 08:16 AM

dear mary,

obviously meant for cocky cochran, MF
therefore you are referring to the 2nd post

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2007 09:36 AM

christopher cochran: what the hell do you read out of kelly's text? you are a thoroughbred paranoid and in an urgent need of medication!

Posted by: foxy | October 6, 2007 03:01 PM

cocky cochran:

like you matter
like i care

Posted by: 007 | October 6, 2007 03:51 PM

No, I don't understand, because you see the term hillbilly has nothing to do with race. Except for that hillbillies are usually white ...
Is it because of vitamin B12 that you think it's not the healthiest diet? It can't be calcium ... not even vegans would have that problem, since collards and legumes are a much safer source of calcium than dairy. http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html Plus the only reason that dairy has so much calcium is that it's fortified, and you can fortify anything ... Vegetarians should have no problem with B12 as they consume dairy and eggs. And even vegans have good sources like spirulina. I guess you could consider algae a supplement ...

Posted by: Silvia | October 6, 2007 04:15 PM

cocky cochran:

Oh! you might consider lobbying elsewhere since the awareness factor here obviously precludes any credibility on your part.

could it be you are out of your league, and soon out of a job?! hmmmmmm.

Posted by: 007 | October 6, 2007 04:26 PM

anon, mary's mistake has been visited several times already. get over it.

Posted by: rojo | October 7, 2007 01:42 AM

Silvia,
To negatively categorize or be prejudicial about someone based purely on race or geography is bigotry, hence, hillbilly is a bigoted term. I do not believe that any diet that requires artificial supplementation is the healthiest diet available.

007,
Are you really able to phonate with your anus or are you just a ventriloquist? Anyway, thanks for the advice, and keep on dreaming.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 11, 2007 02:25 PM

animal... human.. animal.. hmmm just a tough choice.. they are just animals.. a lower form of life.. who cares if dogs die..

Posted by: P Harmy | December 10, 2007 11:52 PM

This post was by far the most entertaining post I think I've ever read. Each and every one of you is absolutely bonkers!!! What's really sad is that people who blog, present party excluded, really don't impact anything that happens to the people who read them or to the people who the blogs are about! Blogging has got to be the single most efficient way to waste time better used taking care of one's own personal business or the business of the company that many of you are supposed to be working for while blogging! This is absolutely amazing! Dogs, Humans...Slaves, Jews, Doctors, Council & Counsel, LOL Vegans and Meat Lovers, Nazi's & WWII...INCREDIBLE! Hey, did anyone mention the millions of Slaves that were killed on slave ships? How about you discuss the many, many wealthy families who have prospered over the years from free Slave labor! No wait; let's talk about the Bush Administration and why he sent troops to Iraq!! Oh wait once more! Wasn't this supposed to be a discussion and/or post about a man who was caught supporting the dog fighting, "sport"! Let’s call a Spade a Spade!! (pun intended) Dog fighting has been a sport for as long as, well...as long as there were dogs! It's as natural as, well, hunting for sport! (that isn't natural at all is it? it's not against the law either is it? hmmm, interesting) Ponder this, if you will, animal lovers who are married to or know someone who's married to or are related to a person who hunts and kills for sport! Shouldn't a man, the man you know, go to jail and lose his livelihood as well as his earning potential for shooting and killing a pheasant simply because "it's in season"? Weren't you people discussing a man who's being tried for doing something that the "white man" has deemed illegal? (But using a dog as a hunting tool isn't?) Go figure... So much time and energy wasted on one man's plight...present company INCLUDED! I don't think I've ever encountered so many hypocrites and misguided dysfunctional people as those on this site! You very compassionate people have called this man, no, this "spear chucking creature" everything under the sun! And to think, this man made more money in this society in one year than most of you will see in a lifetime! Yet, he's completely ignorant and in need of edumacation and compassion because you all say so!! LOL Thank God not one of you were allowed to sit as a jury member since all have condemned this one man for the crimes of all humanity! I must say, again, this was definitely entertaining if nothing else...and nothing else is exactly what it was!

Posted by: Anonymous 2 | December 18, 2007 10:42 AM

My only issue is that this is a huge case because of who Michael Vick is or should I say was.He was the highest paid player in the NFL just only a year and a half ago. I can't help but wonder if that is why what he had done is magnified to te point of federal prosecution and the fact that he seemed to not be so honest about it. Has this happened before with any high profile person? I don't think I have it in my being to take the life of an animal unless it's my life or theirs. At the same time, what he admitted to doing is cruel and can't be reversed, but is it necessary that he be sentenced nearly 2 years in prison when we have a minister's wife in Alabama who shot her husband dead, and spent literally only months in jail and was out free. This issue dims in comparision to the fact that children are being killed daily in Africa, babies are being born and literally thrown away when there are lawsto leave them at any hospital. Children are being kinapped and killed, because they trusted a adult who seemed nice, yet the federal court systems have nothing better to do but stick it to VICK? come on. Michael Vick should have been fined, sentenced to 6 months maximum and made to volunteer at an animal shelter for 23 months instead of in prison. This punishment in my opinion does not fit the crime, and PETA should include other cause in their pursuits.

Posted by: tywanna brantley | December 18, 2007 06:07 PM