Hideous. Why do I feel like all sadists gravitate to working with animals and children? I'm shocked that an Ivy League school allows the torture of animals on its premises. Maybe after the NFL caves, PETA needs to go after colleges for empathy courses.

Posted by: Elizabeth | October 4, 2007 04:15 PM

A bit off topic, but (and this is from the article) since when did PETA have Nashville offices? I even tried Google-ing it incase I was just completely dense and found ZIP. o.0

Posted by: Jessica | October 4, 2007 05:04 PM

Oh wow. I wish I had known this while I was a law student there (I graduated in 2006). Vandy is not a bastion of progressivism, but we did have a vegetarian cafe on campus, and an Animal Law Society. What is most upsetting is that Vanderbilt has absolutely scads of money - its endowment is $3.4 billion. How much would it take to ensure adequate safeguards for the relative safety and comfort of the research animals there? It would be a drop in the bucket. I hope Chancellor Zeppos will be swayed by my letter and those of others that the university from which the 2006 Nobel Peace Prize winner graduated should not condone such flagrant violence and suffering on its own campus.

Posted by: Aja | October 4, 2007 05:12 PM

When you think you´ve seen it all along comes another horrific case of torture like this. What this Schall person does to these poor monkeys is too horrific for words. This must be stopped!

Posted by: Maureen | October 4, 2007 06:20 PM

I sent a letter to Mr. Zeppos I hope he reads it and does something about Mr. Schall. I think we should take Mr. Schall and tie him to a chair and open his head...I bet we don't find much in that empty space.

Posted by: Cheryl | October 4, 2007 06:36 PM

No contest: Schall for Vivisector of the Week!

Posted by: The Good Steve | October 4, 2007 07:02 PM

How can someone be so senseless? I cringe at this becase when I go to the doctor or dentist I want to get out of there as soon as possible. Even measuring blood pressure is a drag.

Poor animals with no one there to protect them!

Posted by: Jen | October 4, 2007 09:43 PM

You know I read this article and it just reminds me of Silver Springs all over agin.....i'm disgusted and extremely discouraged. It saddens me to think as I sit here and write this blog....there are so many countless primates in tiny wire cages. They have memories..i'm sure they remember being with their families eating fresh bamboo...grooming their friends. Humans are sick and terrible animals. Just imagine if there was an animal larger and stronger and craftier than humankind. WE may be sitting in a cage. You or I. Guess what guys- evolution isn't over. I can only imagine how much undocumented suffering goes on. WE only hear about a few isolated cases- there are so many more. That's why it's So important to use your power of the purse and only buy products that aren't tested on animals and donate to charities that don't test on animals.

Posted by: Russell | October 4, 2007 11:06 PM

Come on Peta., you must get your ' Big Hitters ' out on issues like this., the Public ( 99%) are in total ignorance of these facts. Make them aware..Please..!!

Posted by: keith | October 5, 2007 08:42 AM

Vivisectors should die a death the same way the animals they tortured died. Disgusting low life sub-humans. Vivisectors are the ultimate sadists. The only discoveries they make are new ways to torture the other animals.

Posted by: Ana | October 5, 2007 08:51 AM

So no other proof then PETA says so? Typical.

FYI, even human brain operations are done with the person awake and coherent.

Posted by: Mars | October 5, 2007 08:57 AM

It's a shame that people like that lab assistant that Schall threatened, with dismissal didn't realize that all she had to do was file a police report, or a crime report for animal cruelty, (a felony) and Schall would just have been presented with an arrest warrant and arrested.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2007 10:05 AM

But in this case, Mars...

"The whistleblower also forwarded us an email that had been sent to the department that was essentially a friendly reminder to researchers not to forget about anesthesia before cutting into these terrified animals' heads."

He was willfully violating university guidelines.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 5, 2007 10:07 AM

I'm really stunned. Vanderbilt is an excellent school and I can't believe that they can't do better than this. Jeffrey Schall shouldn't be allowed in a lab at all after this, not at Vanderbilt, not anywhere!

Posted by: Susannah S | October 5, 2007 10:32 AM

2007 People!! I'm sorry for my ignorance on these topics. I've tried sticking my head into the sand thinking these things do not exsist in 2007 but I keep reading about these horrific stories and I can no longer try to hide these facts! These so called scientists who believe in torturing animals for a living is the best way to get answers to people problems, where's the cure for cancer or do you already have one but enjoy killing animals so much you're heads are in the sand?

Posted by: Carla | October 5, 2007 10:54 AM

Peta could have stopped this person years ago, and they know it.

"Schall has long been known in the animal protection community as one of the most vile torturers in the business."

Oh really?! Then who is more guilty, this psychopath who doesn't know better or all the great protectors who have known about him and have not stopped him?!

Imagine if there was some guy who was raping kids for years and, for the sake of argument, it was somehow legal, and people and organizations would protest and yet the years would pass as he kept doing it. Hello??? Someone --STOP HIM--!

Peta gets the blame that this infamous torturer has continued through the years, and the same goes for the other worst offenders out there. Some enemies have to be stopped physically, and Peta has the resources to do that.

Wake up, Peta.

Posted by: Stop Torture | October 5, 2007 11:44 AM

That is disgusting.

Posted by: Jaclyn | October 5, 2007 11:54 AM

People give their consent for their surgeries and their not feeling pain nor are they vivisected. Duh....!

Posted by: Ana | October 5, 2007 12:59 PM

Yes, humans are operated on while awake, but they are also aware of what is happening along with an ample amount of medication so we don't "feel" the knife cutting our heads. A human is not strapped down against their will and screaming because they are scared.

Posted by: Voice of Reason | October 5, 2007 01:40 PM

Mars,

To verify PETA's claims, submit a public records request under the Freedom of Information Act. You can verify that way. Public records are $0.25/page.

Posted by: anti-sean | October 5, 2007 02:00 PM

Mars - Let's see, those human patients are operated on without their consent, right? And kept in little cages, with no hope for anything resembling a human life - no social interaction, no real food, no freedom of movement, never seeing daylight or feeling a fresh breeze? In fact, their whole lives are spent in cages or in the OR, huh? Oh, never mind, it's just not worth taking your bait on this one.

Russell - Nice reminder, thanks.

Posted by: The Good Steve | October 5, 2007 02:24 PM

Mars -
now finally i got an answer to my question for your madness:

they operated your brain when you were awake and coherent - for this reason you are lacking coherence and are sleeping your thousand-year sleep of the ice age!

Posted by: Old Spiderwoman | October 5, 2007 03:41 PM

This is just a chicken and egg question. Was Schall a sadist first or a researcher first? Regardless, he is NOW a sadistic researcher. He needs to lose his job as well as any access to future funding and any related licenses he may possess. And, Vanderbilt needs to clean up its act.
Why Why Why are humans in nearly 2008 still torturing helpless beings and getting away with it?????

Posted by: Karen | October 5, 2007 07:08 PM

It never ceases to amaze me how indifferent some people are to the suffering of animals. They have nerves, blood, muscle, tissue just like humans. They feel pain, fear, lonliness, and anxiety. Like Russell said, the untold suffering that goes on is heartbreaking. These poor creatures are tortured by insensitive and cruel human brutes, and have no one to help them. Horrible.

Posted by: Anne | October 5, 2007 08:43 PM

I agree this is completely horrible. Why isnt there some sort of law to stop people from doing this kind of thing? From what ive seen on this website this isnt the only case like this.

Posted by: Chris | October 5, 2007 08:48 PM

Sorry to be so negative but I hate people who torture animals.They will rot in hell.F___K THEM

Posted by: Ruth Caron | October 6, 2007 03:27 AM

Sorry to be so negative but I hate people who torture animals.They will rot in hell.F___K THEM

Posted by: Ruth Caron | October 6, 2007 03:27 AM

''Jack'' I know we have been here before., but seriously I must agree with ' Stop Tortures 'comments ; plus we keep sending letters and e-mails as asked but in the majority of cases we receive no updates. And I spoke to one of the Peta Guys in the UK., who seemed about as interested in animal welfare and as useless as a chocolate teapot. His idea was to save only One Creature was a great step forward. I really am thinking about pulling my regular donations and advising the same to my many friends ..

Posted by: keith | October 6, 2007 08:50 AM

I like P.E.T.A. and what it stand for. I agree with them on the things, about Micheal Vick,but what I can,t understand. I look at the sport channel every week and I see men & women with guns sneaking up on animals and blowing their brain out and watch them kick and bleed to death and call it fun&game. But Vick killing and animal it's wrong.So If Micheal Vick said he was a hunter and this was fun&games. would it be alright and not cruelty.

Posted by: emanuel walker | October 6, 2007 11:42 AM

We need to stop supporting any company or university that has ties with this type of behavior. Students should investigate what's going on in their own schools. I know I'm going to do some research on mine and see what's going on with animal rights, although it's a pretty progressive college.

I've been writing letters to papers in my school and community. I think that's still one of our better methods of getting word out. Thanks to everyone else who cares! It's inspiring to others who want to change all abuses. The HSUS is also a great organization to get involved in.

"Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children."

Ancient Indian Proverb

Posted by: Heather | October 6, 2007 02:04 PM

Not wishing it on him, but should this psychopath, Schall, ever have severe pain, I hope he doesn't try to seek relief for it. That would be hypocritical of him with his unconscienable love for pain, seeing animals in pain caused by him.
Of course he can't feel the animals' pains and sufferings, but obviously he can't feel sympathy or empathy for them either. So should he have any pains, I think this barbarian would really enjoy feeling them, feeling something else besides his maniacal love for inflicting pain and torture on innocent, helpless animals.

Posted by: Ariel | October 7, 2007 02:59 PM

If this is true, then this seems worthy of attention and much more worthwhile than KFED and his dogs.
For the record, we strap young children down and do painful things that they don't understand all the time, a necessary evil. Usually they scream horribly, begging for their mothers. This is why I am not a pediatrician. That doesn't justify improperly anesthetizing monkeys, but it speaks to one of the previous arguments above noted. Fortunately for these monkeys, after the skin incision, they should feel no pain. If lidocaine et al. were used on the skin. Then the only pain would be the injection. The scientist might argue that anesthesia would effect changes on the monkey's brain that might alter the experiment. Once again, I'm not justifying anything.
Ana, you would answer unneccesary pain and death with more pain and death? That is as crazy as bombing an abortion clinic. As an educated person, you should know better. I question your ethics, once again. Fortunately, that would be an unconstitutional punishment for this scientist.
Elizabeth,
Vandy is not an Ivy league school.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 7, 2007 08:02 PM

Aja,
Thank you SO much for writing to Chan. Z. for the sake of the animals!
I don't believe in vivisection at all, or settling for the comforts of the animals for vivisection. However, just the fact that that "highly-educated," poor excuse for "man," Schall, is being exposed for his notorious actions, which hopefully is enough for him to be fired. And I hope he feels disgraced! I also hope that he is not replaced by another maniac like him!
I don't have much faith in Chan. Z. since, after all, he is the chanellor of Vandy, who should have know about Schall all along, and he did absolutely nothing to stop about him. But cover-ups are common.
Since EVERYTHING boils down to money, the best thing that can happen to Vandy is that enrollments and endowments decrease signficantly due to the indespicable behavior of Schall and the hypocrisy of a Nobel Peace Prize winner.
This is not just wishful thinking since other "prestigious" institutions of higher learning had become widely disgraced by the psychotic actions of a few, and major companies ended up scraping for money after their notorious actions were exposed to their investors. And some of those companies involved torturing animals.

Posted by: Ariel | October 7, 2007 09:40 PM

Christopher Cochran: You are one of those who would not put salt into an open wound but sugar! Your nice talking doesn't persuade me to shut up and think that this blog is in helpful hands! You think that your nice words are a tranquilizer but behind them remains a Gollum who just wants the Ring! sic!

Posted by: Don Quijote | October 8, 2007 10:47 AM

Cochran

Laughable that you would question my ethics!! LOL! Bombing abortion clinics are done by hypocritical pro-lifers. Don't address your smug and arrogant comments to me, they make no sense but neither do you. A cowardly animal killer is audacious enough to question my ethics is truly laughable. LOL!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ana | October 8, 2007 02:03 PM

Don,

I am not hoping you will shut up. Keep talking. Eventually something may come out of your mouth that makes sense. I recommend you lay off the hard drugs this early in the week. Pouring sugar or honey into open wounds comes in and out of style amongst wound care experts. The extreme hygroscopic nature of the sugar or honey desiccates the wound and is bacteriostatic.
So, I have poured sugar into wounds back in medical school.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 8, 2007 03:04 PM

Ana '' your brilliant '' I have been reading your worthy comments for many weeks now., and without doubt you are flourishing in the art of sticking it! to individuals where it hurts.Keep up the good work please.

Posted by: keith | October 8, 2007 03:39 PM

christopher cochran:
i'm content that you exactly got the point - and in 'medical school still you are'! look look - the vivisectioner cock starts to put his head out of the basket! but for to knock me out you have to go up earlier because i had to do with such people for the last decade!

Posted by: Don Quijote | October 8, 2007 03:58 PM

Christopher Cochran:
concerning the last blog: what the hell did you read out of kelly's text? you are a thoroughbred paranoid who urgently needs medication!

Posted by: Old Spiderwoman | October 8, 2007 04:12 PM

Ana,
I'm a hypocrite? In one post you talk about MLK and Ghandi, and in another you talk about murdering college professors. You should know that answering violence with violence is not the answer. You seem to let your emotion get the best of you. I am not surprised. Most of the arguments here by PETA disciples are based on emotion. The propaganda you read is working you into such a lather that your one logical neuron gets washed away. Calm down and come see the planet in something other than a Youtube movie. Try learning something first hand instead of going off all half-cocked with lopsided information. There are always two sides to every story. Even if you end up still not agreeing with the other side, you at least need to understand it. You, and others here, have opinions that are set in stone based on half the information. You do yourself a great disservice by not becoming better informed.
Your arguments would be much better, no doubt. Rather, you end up sounding like a dogmatic zealot. All the best.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 8, 2007 04:31 PM

Don,

"in medical school still you are" Who are you, Yoda?

Spiderwoman,
Hillbilly is a bigoted racial slur. Just like redneck, or ni****, ki**, and wop. Why does that make me paranoid?
Love,

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 8, 2007 08:27 PM

I always knew there were alot of sick people in the world but it just keeps getting worse, animals are just like us only they speak in a different language, so dose that give us the right to kill anyone that speaks a different language than us. sick,sick,sick,sick.

Posted by: mandy cordingley | October 8, 2007 08:32 PM

Oh, come on now, Ana!
You should feel honored being critiqued by Dr. Faux, "harvestologist."
For goodness sake, he knows EVERYTHING. Without bragging of course, he knows everything about himself being arrogant, ignorant, and an attention-seeking loser. He knows ALL about a/r's activism and about every a/r's activists because he has been involved in a/r's activism since, um, let me think now...hmmm?
Not him bragging of course, but he KNOWS that he is highly respected by everyone on this blog site. He ALWAYS knows how to hold an "intelligent" discussion, for just typical examples, as he did with Don and you.
He knows how to purposely misinterpret a/r's activists' comments, so that he can use them to his nonsensical "advantage." He KNOWS how to be a hypocrit, but he is too humble to admit it.
There is just so much he knows, I could go on and on non-stop. But I don't want to brag about him because he KNOWS how to do that all by himself. LOL
So, Ana, after you get done having a good laugh from his responses to you, please don't be so "emotional," lighten up! (Ana, I'm sure I'm laughing just as much as you) LOL : )

P.S.: I heard that his "patients" had a 50 ft. likeness of him carved out of granite and placed it in the middle of state. They knew that it would be a tourist attraction from all over the world. But Dr. Faux was not happy about that.
He told them that it wasn't big enough!
On the base of the statue, it's carved in stone, a description of his "attributes" But he pointed out that they over-looked having the word "ethical" on it.
Being SO distraught about that, Dr. Faux, immediately went to the woods to kill every animal he could, showed the carcuses to everyone - and told them: "Look, I do more ethical things for this whole world than anyone else does!" LOL

Posted by: Ariel | October 8, 2007 09:26 PM

" Let's see, those human patients are operated on without their consent, "

Actualy that would be illegal, most times but not always because we are human. There's your proof of the inability to tell the difference between human and animal that you requested Mike Q.How long before they start breaking the law> Oh wait, some of your "friends" already do by threatening people on this blog,called assault.

Posted by: Mars | October 9, 2007 07:56 AM

to Christopher Cochran: it's interesting - the first thing i have been told in my fight against vivisectors was: don't show your emotions - stay cold! Hence your advice to Ana is telling us who you are!

Posted by: Zanoni | October 9, 2007 10:37 AM

This article is so sad : ( Primates are just so "human" like its incredible..I just don't understand how people can use them in animal testing, how the bushmen in Africa can go out and murder them for meat amongst other things, etc etc. I really hope that the students at Vanderbilt along with PETA and the public pull together to get this Schall character out of Vanderbilt and away from any other kind of lab containing animals. I can't believe that in 2007 we are still using vivisection

Posted by: kate | October 9, 2007 11:06 AM

Cochran

You obviously cannot read well or have very little reading comprehension. I said no such thing about murdering these cruel sickos. You are obviously very lonely that you have so much time to waste on this blog with your sardonic, useless comments. You have no idea what I read and I do NOT depend on any website to formulate my ideas. The only one completely cocked is you and stop giving written lectures to any of us, particularly me. I do not need your massaged ego to inform me of anything. Stop responding to my comments because you are just too boring and inconsequential to even take seriously. I know you consider yourself The Omnicient One but you are not. You are such a boor!

keith

Thank you!!!!

Posted by: Ana | October 9, 2007 03:30 PM

The supreme Court will hear a case shorty, on whether or not lethal injection is cruel and unusual. It is staggering for me to think that someone can go out and butcher several people with a claw hammer and we argue on whether giving them a shot and letting them fall asleep peacefully is wrong, but there isn't much dismay about the horrific torture of countless animals. Likewise there is much debate surrounding abortion and even stem cell research. I can not even begin to comprehend how someone could possible be so arrogant as to state that we can't do research on stem cells because we're killing innocent life and yet have no issue with animal suffering. Once again i suppose its man's nature to hold himself in such high regard that the suffering of lesser creatures is of no importance. I must state further that i don't believe that most people are this way. If most people were to hear of these sort of atrocities i'm sure they would be outraged. However it is much more comfortable to walk around in constant apathy. As long as they continue to feed us Igadgets, sedate us with a plethora of intoxicants and mind numbing, soul robbing television on our new 56in plasma screen tv's....thus will remain the status quo. Its a sad world, perhaps global warming will do away with most of whom are unsuitable to live in a civilized society and we can move on to a new age of living where the likes of Jeffrey 'Joseph Mengela' Schall will not be free to continue their crimes with impunity.

Posted by: Andrew | October 9, 2007 04:33 PM

'' Ana '' your most welcome and praise most richly deserved.

Posted by: keith | October 9, 2007 05:20 PM

Mars, first you said (on another board):

"Those individuals that have developed the mentality that animal and human life are equal are the ones committing violent acts against both human and animal."

Then later you stated regarding The Good Steve's comment ( who said, "Let's see, those human patients are operated on without their consent"):

"There's your proof of the inability to tell the difference between human and animal that you requested Mike Q."

Sorry, I'm not getting it. I don't see any proof of a connection that a person who regards animals and humans (who are animals anyway) as equal is also the one who commits violent acts against the aforementioned animals and humans.

Since you made the original statement before the Good Steve's comment, you should be able to provide "evidence" apart from his comment. Do you not have reference to a psych study or something?

There IS a scientifically well-documented link between animal and human abuse. But you're trying to float the argument that animal rights people are the "ones committing violent acts against both human and animal." Huh?!?

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 9, 2007 09:41 PM

Ana, after you and keith get through stroking one another I would ask you to note on one of your first comments you did wish that this man would die by vivisection. I thought you weren't talking to me anymore. I eat vegetables; they don't make ME cranky.

Zanoni, you pegged me. I vivisect humans. It's called surgery!

Sincerely, The Omnicient One

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 9, 2007 11:08 PM

Everybody ! don't rise to '' Ole C.C.'s bait., allow him to stew in his prune juice., I reckon he needs a good purging !!

Posted by: keith | October 10, 2007 02:18 PM

Cochran

I eat more than vegetables, turd. Apparently mixing dead animals with your vegetables has made you an arrogant bastard. Again, you cannot read. It is you that cannot get enough of my comments; you really are lonely. I have had surgeries; that is NOT vivisection, moron. You are no surgeon; you are never on call because you are always here. I will terminate anything to do with an idiot like you. You simply enjoy making your stupid comments and you are a totally worthless turd. There I have wasted comments with a turd. Back to more important business like saving the lives of the other animals. Even Jesus said to stay away from those that speak falsehoods. Cock the faux "MD". "Cranky", you sound like a milksop using that term. You really are juvenile. Get your diapers changed!!!!!

Posted by: Ana | October 10, 2007 03:44 PM

Ana,
I suppose you were dead during your surgery. Vivi- means alive. Most surgeries involve dissection to some degree, hence they are a form of vivisection. The comment was directed at the fellow accusing me of being a vivisectionist, and it was intended to be tongue-in-cheek. I appreciate your concern for my social life and professional life; I assure you they are both quite intact to my satisfaction. You should try Sanka. I wish I were never on call, but alas I do have a fair amount of it. It doesn't take loads of time to comment here.

Mike,
I believe that people who torture animals have a preponderance towards torturing humans. However, those people in question are performing unquestionable animal torture and the torture is a symptom of a greater problem. Those of us who engage in average animal uses like eggs, hunting, fishing, leather, are often mistakenly included in those studies on this blog. We are 95% of the population and it would stand to reason that most of the murderers and rapists would come from such a massive majority of the population. I do not believe you could do an accurate study between vegans and omnivores as there is such a small percentage of the population that are vegans that there are too many variables. Cross sectional studies are lousy anyway, at least in medicine. I realize the sociologists aren't able to do double blinded studies, however.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 11, 2007 01:43 PM

Christopher,

I agree there is a different correlation between animal abuse and human abuse. But Mars is proposing that people who regard animal and human life as equal are "the ones committing violent acts against both human and animal."

Whaaaaaat?!? That's where my puzzlement is coming from.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 11, 2007 10:46 PM

Why don't you all settle down a bit and write about the things you have done recently to help animals.

Posted by: Margarita | October 19, 2007 11:39 AM