I agree that all of these are wanted. Good Job, I live in New York and I will try hard for the horse-carriages to be banned. I will do anything that is possible for the animals.

Posted by: Marisela | October 2, 2007 12:20 PM

The Musicon Venison farm Erks me the most! Deer don't belong on farms, their wild animals that fear us humans. Who do Kosher think they are making these beautiful creatures suffer for a prolonged period of time. It's just sick! I've been boycotting all Kosher products, including their pickles (which Safeway carries) ever since seeing the expose on the abuse that goes into killing their cows for human consumption! Good for you PETA, I love reading the last two lines. Even if it takes one restaurant at a time! Thank-you!!

Posted by: Carla | October 2, 2007 02:48 PM

My Junior year of high school, I went on a school trip to NYC. We walked through a small portion of Central Park for a little bit, then came upon the horse carriages. It was the most disgusting thing I have ever seem. They reeked of filth, you could see the misery in their faces, some had matted/slightly discolored spots that I bet if I had inspected closer would have been infections, several had diarrhea, and only a couple had any sort of hoof protection. They didn't even have the will to swat at the hoard of flies and gnats attacking them.

I gawked equally at my classmates. We were all from Tennessee, at least half of them group up on or around farms, and should know damn well what a healthy and happy horse smells and looks like. Yet, the girls were cooing over how cute they were.

I don't get how people can be so blind to obvious suffering, much less the smell of disease. It's one thing when it's tucked away in a factory, but to be looking RIGHT AT IT and call it "cute"? What the hell?

Posted by: Jessica | October 2, 2007 04:01 PM

I personally HATE PETA. But I know I need a better argument than just the fact that I hate them. The US goverment needs to pay more attention to the rapest and murders than people that are hurting animals. Crack down on people for commiting crimes against a human and then you MIGHT have an argument

Posted by: Bethy | October 2, 2007 05:32 PM

The tone of this article is a total kick. Not really siding with PETA - sort of afraid to alienate the masses, but not knocking us, either - almost deferential, almost fearful. A masterpiece of writing between the lines.

Posted by: The Good Steve | October 2, 2007 06:34 PM

Any cruelty to another being is intolerable. Human or animal. However, if you are going to HATE a group that is concerned about suffering of animals and humans as we are all connected at least learn how to spell. Thanks!

Posted by: rebecca | October 2, 2007 07:57 PM

Just curious, what is PETA's stance on trail rides?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 08:05 PM

Betsy writes:

I personally HATE PETA. But I know I need a better argument than just the fact that I hate them. The US goverment needs to pay more attention to the rapest and murders than people that are hurting animals. Crack down on people for commiting crimes against a human and then you MIGHT have an argument.
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I'd like to pass along the following comment that was made by Robert K. Ressler from the FBI (yes, Betsy, the FBI is "part of the U.S. goverment):

"Murderers ... very often start out by killing and torturing animals as kids," according to Robert K. Ressler, who developed profiles of serial killers for the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

So, this tells me that the more kids we are able to reach with the message of compassion toward animals, the lesser chance we have of them turning out to be those rapists and murderers you speak of.

Posted by: V. Soto | October 2, 2007 08:28 PM

I can not understand how any one person could not understand the balance of life. Animals have to be killed, some for food and some for sport. If not, us humans would not have enough produce to eat, because there would be game eating all of our crops. There has to be a balance, animals were put on this earth to eat!

Posted by: john doe | October 2, 2007 08:44 PM

to say that being kind to animals is needed is not true. I agree that we need to focus upon more pertanent issues such as social security and other domestic problems then a guy being mean to a cat or whatever. I live in a small hick town and I know my animals. Animals don't have the same mindset as a human to maybe that is how we became a superior race.

Posted by: john doe | October 2, 2007 09:38 PM

Marisela - just so you know, they do not mean Kosher as in the dill pickle company - they mean kosher as in the methodology of harvesting an animal in a fashion so that those practicing certain religions (Jewish I believe) can consume it. You might trying using Google to find out more.

Posted by: Lindsay | October 2, 2007 09:46 PM

sorry, I put the wrong name, I meant Carla

Posted by: Lindsay | October 2, 2007 10:10 PM

John Doe, please read up on the issue of raising animals for food. It takes approximately 14 pounds of grain to make 1 pound of beef. Never mind how much water one needs for cattle. The dietary needs of the cattle on this earth for one year could feed over 8 billion people - hmmmm, isn't that just about the world's human population? And I am only talking about cattle! That does not include the food and water resources to raise chickens, pigs, etc. Although there are billions of factory-farmed animals on this earth, it is only because humans have bred so many. If people stopped eating all meat (which would be a gradual thing), there would be fewer and fewer animals being bred, therefore the world would not be over-run with "game".

Non-human animals were on this earth millions and millions of years before humans ever came into existence, so that is a load of crap about animals being on this earth for humans! And you want to talk about balance? Since humans have f***ed up this earth so badly with global warming (which, by the way, a United Nations study has just shown to be caused mostly by MEAT eating), it is the humans who have messed with this balance in the first place. Read up on the facts about the enormous amounts of pollution that come from hog farm operations, how our rivers are a mess because of it, and how people who live near these disgusting operations are getting ill!

I would love to provide more info to you, John Doe, but it would be a waste if what I have already provided to you will be ignored. If you really want to open yourself up to learning the truth, you can certainly find plenty of information about these issues on PETA's websites, or you can check out www.pcrm.org for the health aspects. The late Dr. Spock advocated for a veg diet for children, and many countries' governments are touting the benefits of vegetarianism/veganism for all humans.

The 10 most wanted article was really interesting - I thought it had a very animal-friendly tone, and hopefully it will get a wide audience.

Posted by: Michele | October 2, 2007 10:20 PM

"In response to John Doe"
Yes there must be a balance which is why I am an avid hunter FOR MEAT! I am very much so against torturing animal however there must be hunting for animal population control. Much like humans have Birth control animals have the responsible hunters to control the population. Personally I do not agree with most of what PETA does, I see it as too extreme. If it were not for us hunters there would be no animals for you all to love because of wide spread disease and no source of food for the overpopulated masses of animals. Point blank most of us are not on top of the food chain to eat only carrots.

Posted by: Pat | October 2, 2007 10:30 PM

Pat,

If you put down your rifle and went into the forest, what animals would you be capable of catching, killing and eating, being at the "top" of the food chain and all?

Also, "because of wide spread disease" I assume you only kill sick and aged animals. If you in fact kill animals that are in their period of prime reproductivity, there'll be no more animals for me to love.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 2, 2007 10:55 PM

Dear John Doe ( I don't blame you for not using your real name after comments like that) how do YOU know the mindset of animals first of all and second, I think you meant species .... not race.
And if animals were put on this earth to eat, why are humans getting diseases, from heart attacks to diabetes to cancer and more from eating meat and dairy, this is in the mainstream media...not to mention factory farms are infecting our produce with e-coli. Why do we have to cook meat and put all kinds of spices and sauce on it to make it taste good? If it were natural to eat meat we would go kill the cow or pig ourself and eat it right there like an obligate carnivore. I think you need to do some reading. PETA's website has a wealth of information you could start with. PCRM is also a good website for info.
Good luck.

Posted by: Lisa | October 2, 2007 10:56 PM

Bethany, or whoever you are that said you hate peta because of rapists and murderers or what ever. What makes you think that humans are more important than animals. We were all put here for a reason and I seriously doubt animals were put here to be tortured for human taste-buds and pleasure. IT is disgusting that people get away with what's going on and it's disgusting that people like you let it happen!

Posted by: Stephanie | October 3, 2007 02:06 AM

Firstly, animals (including we humans) were'nt "put on this earth". We've evolved precariously over the course of millions of years to our present day forms. The assumption that an animal's sole existence is for mankind's benefit is ignorant and audacious. In my opinion the arguments over how we've evolved (i.e.: herbivores/omnivores/carnivores) are irrelevant, as are the benefits (or not) of a vegetarian lifestyle. The true question is how we are to use our greatest strengths: the ability to love, to reason, to imagine, and to make conscious decisions regarding the wellbeing and welfare of others regardless of their race OR species. Simply put, to do the right thing.

Posted by: Todd Lee Wandel | October 3, 2007 03:40 AM

michele since when has 18%(GW attributable to livestock) been mostly.

The same UN report states that 1.3 billion people rely on livestock for their living. Some regions do not support arable farming due to climate, mountains or soil
quality. What will these people do?
The report also states that livestock are fed "77million tonnes of human edible protein, returning 58 million tons of human edible protein" a net loss yes, but not as dramatic as a "14 pounds of grain to 1 pound of beef" portrays. Incidently cattle diets are rarely above 80% grain, they need some roughage.

I'm not sure if Dr Spock is known well in Australia, but I did read at some stage he advocated veg. only after he converted at age 80 something. Could you shed some light on this. Thanks.

Posted by: rojo | October 3, 2007 10:56 AM

How can people think of killing any living creature as a sport? In my eyes I see sport as a competition between two people who show determination and skill, not with a knife or gun but with sheer hard work and sweat, it seems like people who hunt animals obviously have a very limited imagination as it can't be too hard pointing a gun at something that can't protect itself, can it?

I live a very happy, healthy lifestyle without contributing to the killing of animals, Go all you veggie's out there!

Posted by: Nadine | October 3, 2007 11:50 AM

I believe to keep the population down of humans, we should hunt them and eat them. Let's mass produce their meat since there are so many of them. Doesn't that sound like a good idea? People, c'mon, this arguement of cutting the animal population down isn't really an arguement. There are so many of us now, if we keep killing animals then there will be just us and then what do you survive on now when it comes to meat. I'm just gonna keep sticking to the nuts and berries. I can promise that all vegans and vegetarians will be here longer than meat eaters.

Posted by: Morgaine | October 3, 2007 01:15 PM

I believe to keep the population down of humans, we should hunt them and eat them. Let's mass produce their meat since there are so many of them. Doesn't that sound like a good idea? People, c'mon, this arguement of cutting the animal population down isn't really an arguement. There are so many of us now, if we keep killing animals then there will be just us and then what do you survive on now when it comes to meat. I'm just gonna keep sticking to the nuts and berries. I can promise that all vegans and vegetarians will be here longer than meat eaters.

Posted by: Morgaine | October 3, 2007 01:16 PM

The Southern slave-owners screamed in anger and disgust that their slaves were their property and that they were not giving them up. They claimed that their businesses would be doomed and that freeing the slaves would doom their economy.

"What will these people do"?

This is the same dumb question repeated ad nauseum when something that is cruel and is associated with money is exposed and should be abolished.

P. S. The South is doomed, "what will these people do"?? They must have their slaves , their property, their profits!!!!

Posted by: Ana | October 3, 2007 01:28 PM

If you hate PETA, why are you here...? Are you stupid.

Posted by: Katy Emma Owen | October 3, 2007 04:38 PM

PEOPLE C'MON, YOU GUYS ARE FIGHTING OVER THE MOST AND NEARLY CONTROVERSIAL THINGS, BECAUSE THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER, AND I'M JUST SAYING IT FROM ALL POINTS OF VIEW LIKE A MATURE AND THE MODEST PERSON WOULD...YES!ANIMAL ABUSE IS BAD, BUT THINK AGAIN NOT EVERYONE IS RAISED WITH THAT KIND OF ATTITUDE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY WERE EATING "nuggets" FROM macdonals SINCE THEY WERE 2...BADABABABAAA I'M LOVING IT!(RECALL THAT POPULAR SLOGAN ON TV)...C'MON, WE SEE IT EVERYWHERE, ON TV, DOWN THE ROAD, ON MEDIA, NEIGHBOUR'S YARD..PEOPLE ARE USED TO EATING MEAT SINCE THEY WERE LITTLE, AND THEIR MOMS ATE IT, AND THEIR MOM'S MOM ATE IT AND SO ON...IT HAS BEEN CARRIED OUT FOR GENERATIONS. I KNOW IT'S TERRIBLE. BUT, DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO STOP EATING MEAT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF PROTECTING ANIMALS AND PRESERVING THEM. I MYSELF, TRIED TO CONVINCE PEOPLE AROUND ME TO STOP EATING MEAT, BEACAUSE IT IS BAD FOR YOU. BUT NO, CONVINCING PEOPLE ABOUT THE "unknows" IS NOT THAT EASY. PEOPLE ARE NOT SO GULLIBLE NOWADAYS. THEY'RE VERY COCKY AND LIBERAL. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM all POINTS OF VIEW. IF YOU BELIEVE IN SOMETHING THAT U TRULY SUPPORT, THE LEAST YOU COULD DO IS CARRY ON WITH IT. BECAUSE, NO ONE KNOWS/UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU TRULY MEAN BUT YOURSELF! SO DON'T BLAME OR HATE OTHERS BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN THE THINGS YOU DO. THEN, YOU'LL JUST BE ONE OF THOSE HYPOCRITES AND VICTIMS OF THE ABUSE! THINK ABOUT IT......GOD MADE US ALL TO LIVE AND DIE AND MOSTLY BECOME THE BEST PERSON/BEING YOU COULD BE, BECAUSE HE CARES FOR EVERY KIND. THE LEAST YOU COULD DO FOR HIM IS BELIEVE IN HIS CREATIONS AND ACCEPT EVERYONE FOR THE WAY THEY ARE, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT HURTING ANYONE BY SAYING U HATE THEM. YOU'RE HURTING GOD!

Posted by: aloka | October 3, 2007 06:02 PM

Why do you liberal SOABs want to ban all tradition and links to the good ol days? If we can develop a system for us to have all of our animal related traditions without the abuse, then you all got nothing to work (Or live) for!

Posted by: halo snipe | October 3, 2007 06:14 PM

I am currently a Marine and a senior at Indiana University. This is my first time to peta.org, and I just read the piece on the individual(s) that tortured the cats obtained at Craigslist.com. Although I have seen many disturbing things in war, this really got to me. I would love to know the names and addresses of these disgusting individuals. Although this may seem like a purely emotional response, sickos like that need the same type of public registry that sex offenders do. This way, animals can be protected in the same manner in which we try to protect children. If this system was in place, a simple query of the customers name would have saved these cats.

Posted by: Harris | October 3, 2007 06:37 PM

Listen BETHY, what are you, two? bethy. ha. You can go to hell, you need to educate yourself, you're a fuckin' idiot. I strongly suggest you see a psychiatrist QUICKLY. Supporting the torture and abuse of animals is NOT normal behavior, it really isn't. That goes for any of you who do not support PETA. In all sincerity, you need some professional help. Who raised you anyway?

Posted by: PETA rocks | October 3, 2007 11:07 PM

hey dont get mad at me but what is so bad about hunting animals dose'nt that cut down on deer getting killed by cars and overpopulation?

Posted by: dman | October 4, 2007 04:35 PM

I wholeheartedly agree with PETA on this list of abusers.

More power to The Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages in New York! How in this day and age, horse drawn carriages are still considered acceptable is beyond me. They pose such a danger to the horses and the public on today's city streets. Are Mayor Bloomberg and the New York City Council awaiting yet another awful accident before they finally wake up?

Denver's City Council is also blind to the fact that horse-drawn carriages are a thing of the past. Instead of banning them altogether, their solution was to propose cruel and ineffective "tests" that will subject horses to loud, unexpected sounds in a misguided attempt to determine whether a horse "spooks easily". What a bunch of geniuses!

What Denver fails to realize is that horses are not robots or machines and NO amount of "testing" can fully predict the reactions of living, breathing horses when confronted with unexpected situations out in traffic. Conducting these "tests" will not guarantee that a particular horse will react the same way to other startling events—or even to the same sound at a different time and under different circumstances. Such testing will not make Denver's streets any safer and will only succeed in traumatizing the horses.

I feel grateful that this article is helping to expose some of the worst abusers out there.

Posted by: V. Soto | October 4, 2007 06:19 PM

You people are nit wits ! Animals are for FOOD. Humans are omnivors just like bears. You cannot survive on plants alone in a healthy condition period. THIS IS A FACT unlike the total garbage you are posting on this website. PLUS Animals taste GOOD !! I know you won't post this so I hope to enrage just one of you and I'll have done my job.
The Facts are that HUNTERS do more to help Animals than you will ever do ! Wildlife management by HUNTERS like ME makes it possible for extremists like you to enjoy Animals in the wild in all thier beautiful forms. The HUNTERS of this country have a greater RESPECT for the wildlife of this Country than you have for yourselves. Animal abuse is one thing and every hunter I know would punish severly anyone found abusing an Animal however Animal management keeps the balance between predator and prey. NO different than managing a garden of plants. If you were truley concerned about Animal welfare you would promote Hunting and the management of wildlife. Plus you would enjoy the benifit of a healthy deit of game Animals which are the natural food your body requires. I'm willing to bet that none of you peta people have ever been into the wilderness to even see the Animals you pretend to defend in their natural setting. ANYONE that blieves ANYTHING from the CORRUPT MORONS of the U.N. needs to be beat with a cane pole. The Earth is just fine you cannot stop the changes that occur you can only adapt to them so SHUT UP and enjoy the ride !
ETHICAL TREATMENT means FAIR CHASE and CLEAN KILL with no WASTE of GAME.

Posted by: tommy | October 4, 2007 06:20 PM

who ever says animals don't have the same mindset is surely mistaken. animals may not be superior but they have emotions and are smart. when humans hurt they react by screaming and try to get away from the thing that is hurting them. now let me ask you something...what do animals do when something hurts them?

Posted by: larissa ybarra | October 4, 2007 07:08 PM

aloka...

HOW ARROGANT OF YOU TO USE GOD TO GIVE CREDENCE TO YOUR ANGRY, SELFRIGHTEOUS BLATHER!

Posted by: 007 | October 4, 2007 08:10 PM

Harris,
I am absolutely so over-whelmed by your experiences and compassionate comments, that I am practically at a loss for words. (and that is definitely not like me) : ) So please excuse me if I fumble my way through this.

First of all, WELCOME to this blog site!
What you may think of as "purely an emotional response," is compassion that is supported by reality and enhanced by offering an exceptionally wise suggestion.
I certainly can't claim to know how, but somehow - especially if you had no concept of animal rights' activism previously - you immediately made the connection of the human/animal relationship - and its affects upon society for the better or worse.
As a/r's activists, a lot of us have been knocking ourselves out just to get that one point across - simply put: the atrocities that people do to innocent animals, they are capbable of doing to humans. And that has been proven - highly documented by the FBI for years - that when they were children, murderers initially started with torturing and killing small animals. It's only one step away for sicko adult animal abusers/killers now - like with they did with the cats - for them to turn their abusive and/or killing inclinations upon humans, children. Plus, it is highly documented that where animal abuse is occuring, it is the red-flag warning that a child or children are being abused in that same residence.

I would really, really, really hate to think that your suggestion for a system that registers animal abusers would not come to fruition. So since you said that you are a senior at I.U., (plus having a military background), would it be possible for you to initate your suggestion? (of course with supportive collaboration - perhaps by presenting it to PeTA?)
Hope to hear from you again.

Posted by: Ariel | October 4, 2007 09:29 PM

"how do YOU know the mindset of animals first of all "

The same way you claim to know.

"I believe to keep the population down of humans, we should hunt them and eat them."

It's called WAR and CANNABALISM and both occur on a daily basis.

"I live a very happy, healthy lifestyle without contributing to the killing of animals, "

How do you figure that you don't contribute to the killing of animals? You live in a cave,don't eat,wear no clothes and don't work? If you do any of those then you contributed to the deaths of animals.

Posted by: Mars | October 5, 2007 08:53 AM

Tommy said, "I know you won't post this so I hope to enrage just one of you and I'll have done my job."

Well, at least you're an honest flamebaiter. I gave up being enraged a long time ago. Now I get more of a chuckle out of posts like yours.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 5, 2007 10:21 AM

Hey animal rights folks: I just came up with a brilliant, drug-free way to cure insomnia! Read any posts by Mars, rojo, and the Faux Doctor - read all 3 if you are REALLY having trouble falling asleep! (actually, depending how you perceive things, it may end up just making you laugh, thus having the opposite effect...) LOL

Harris, welcome to the PETA files - hope you find it enlightening. There are a number of wonderful people who post here, who can provide you with information in a succinct, intelligent manner. Hope to see you more often!

Posted by: Michele | October 5, 2007 12:03 PM

Ariel

Hi! What I like about what Harris said was that the cruelty that the cats endured and how they were murdered is in and of itself horrible and should not be tolerated. He wants these brutes on a public registry only because of the atrocities committed on these cats. Too many times a/r literature/activists focus only on the posibility that it may lead to crimes against humans. We should be intolerant and horrified that anyone could commit such unspeakable acts of violence against innocent defense-less cats. Animal cruelty in and of itself warrants enough of an outcry. It belittles the agony that animals endure at the hands of man to say it deserves attention only because it may lead to violence against humans. The animals' pain is lost in this argument because the focus becomes the needs and care only of humans. It should not be this way and Harris makes a distinct comment of how he feels about the cruelty the animals endured and how they were so savagely killed. Stay well, Peace!!

Harris

Thank you for your wise and compassionate comments!!! I agree!

Posted by: Ana | October 5, 2007 01:25 PM

Hi, Michele! : )
Count me among the ones who laugh when I read their posts, and I REALLY mean laugh! : ) Their comments are too funny to be real! : )

Hi, Ana!
Yes, I know very, very well that animal sufferings are our priority, and I know that Harris' clearly expressed having disdain about the cat torturers,etc. I had already easily recognized that,so it wasn't a matter of me having to try to convince Harris' about the atrocities that are done to animals.
I was just supporting Harris' fantastic suggestion for an animal abuser registry. In doing so, the crime thing was not really meant to be my focus or to minimize animal suffering. It was only meant to elaborate about the MINDSET of the totally unconscientable "crazies" out there who torture animals, as to how far they go - and they should not be tolerated even with conducting one occasion of animal abuse because one time will most likely lead to more.
And I think those mad "scientists" that we read about on here should be the first ones to be entered on the animal abuse registry and committed to a psych ward. They're insane!

Posted by: Ariel | October 6, 2007 12:58 PM

glad to be of some service.

Posted by: rojo | October 7, 2007 02:17 AM

ariel, i guess thats why you've been so successful with your rebuttals. LOL.

Posted by: rojo | October 9, 2007 10:34 AM

Uh, rojo, rebuttals are connected with debates. Animal rights is absolutely not a debatable issue. Therefore, I do not debate; therefore, I do not rebut.

I clearly point out how wrong ignoramuses are about animal rights.

So since you clearly have a reading comprehension disorder, the laugh - as always - is on you.
BTW, how is SB doing?
Please tell SB we all greatly appreicated his/her exceptionally intelligent knowledge.

Posted by: Ariel | October 12, 2007 08:16 PM