Veggie burgers are delicious! I love seeing the different vegetables they're made of. what other fast food stores sell them? besides burger king?

Posted by: Gen | October 17, 2007 05:33 PM

Surely we should expect "Christopher Cochran, MD" to refute the article (under "story")
Look out, Dr. Rippe, (cardiologist and assoc. prof. at Tufts U. School of Med.), CC,MD really "knows" his stuff about blocked arteries and hypertension!
And surely he will have plenty of support by the "expert" meat-eating anti's. They really "know" their stuff too!

Posted by: Ariel | October 17, 2007 07:12 PM

There's such a thing as a GOOD veggie burger?

I think that high-blood pressure's got you lightheaded.

It's the imperfect human body which forces us to eat crap like this.

Posted by: Ray-O | October 17, 2007 09:34 PM

Nothing wrong with eating veggie burgers but I disagree on the good part. I tried the Boca and Morning Star and YUCK!

Posted by: Mars | October 18, 2007 08:40 AM

Good for Joe Montana. However I do have a comment on the list provided that shows some of your favorite veggie burgers: no where on that list is a vegan restaurant! The top 4 you have listed do directly or indirectly support slaughtering of animals (they serve meat).

Then when I click on the link that says "Best of the Rest", you have listed Denny's there!

What happened to DeadlyDenny's campaign?

Not sure what you are trying to support here!

Posted by: Vegoconics | October 18, 2007 09:10 AM

Hey, I am so sick of you people. Animals do not have feelings. So what is the problem for using them for our needs and wants. You are a vegetarian right? Plants are alive to too. So you are killing preciuos life.

Posted by: John Stewart | October 18, 2007 09:45 AM

"Animals do not have feelings."
That comment goes way beyond stupidity! No doubt in my mind whatsoever that anyone who believes animals don't have feelings, is a dangerous psychopath! And I seriously mean a dangerous psychopath!
Sometimes I really think that these anti's are emailing from a psych hospital. And I am serious! And if they're not, then they desperately need to be in one!

Posted by: Ariel | October 18, 2007 10:29 AM

Okay John, technically you're a sentient being as well so lets put you in a meat grinder and see how much you feel. Deal?

Posted by: VegChick | October 18, 2007 11:42 AM

Dumb ass John Stewart said:

“Hey, I am so sick of you people. Animals do not have feelings. So what is the problem for using them for our needs and wants. You are a vegetarian right? Plants are alive to too. So you are killing preciuos life.”

It never ceases to amaze me just how STUPID and IGNORANT some people are. Just because 'animals' are different than us does NOT mean they don't have feelings. It's an IGNORANT P.O.S like you that keep perpetuating this notion. ALL animals are sentient, they are aware of their surroundings, have emotions, wants and needs. Your 'killing a plant' defense just does NOT hold water; until a plant is more or less the same as me biologically I will keep eating plants. A plant does NOT have lungs, kidneys, liver, eyes, bleed the same color blood or can vocalize and move under their own power. So why don't you do us all a favor and STFU till you actually know what you're talking about.

Posted by: Craig | October 18, 2007 12:02 PM

Has anyone tried the Morningstar Prime Grillers? Every meat eater who's tried them says they're better than their own hamburgers!

Posted by: Misty | October 18, 2007 12:22 PM

So, John, when you kick a dog (and I'm sure you've kicked one in your lifetime) and he yelps, what the hell is that? The equivalent of a sqeaky toy? Or do the dogs you kick have no response?

Posted by: BullyDawg | October 18, 2007 12:24 PM

John, actually, I acknowledge that animals DO have feelings, and DO feel pain, but I don't need to be compassionate towards a chicken, because, hey, neither would a carnivore.

Dogs and cats, however, don't need to die if they have a master. We should treat them better, but until then, a lot of them will have to go to sleep.

Posted by: Ray-O | October 18, 2007 12:44 PM

Lick's in the greater Toronto area makes a great Nature Burger. A friend of mine just had an angina episode and had to do the nuclear stress test. Anyway, he's eating the Lick's Nature Burgers and says they're 95% there.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 18, 2007 01:28 PM

Harvey's and Kelsey's in Canada make AWESOME veggie burgers. And Lick's Garden Burger is now available in grocery stores as well as at their restaurants (they even sell a kid's size!).

Posted by: Michele | October 18, 2007 04:15 PM

People who try to mock vegans by comparing plants to animals are using a pathetic and heard it a thousand times before argument. If they insist on equating life forms why not equate primates to humans at least that would have a solid scientific starting point.

Posted by: Maureen | October 18, 2007 05:10 PM

Thank you, Ariel, for a very funny post about our very own Dr. Redneck!!

Posted by: kelly | October 19, 2007 01:51 AM

"Every meat eater who's tried them says they're better than their own hamburgers!"

Doubtful but I'll take the first position then and still it's a yuck.Nothing out there can beat my wild boar and venison burgers.

Posted by: Mars | October 19, 2007 10:09 AM

Hi, kelly! : )
Speaking about our resident "doctor", "Dr. Redneck,"(LOL), seems like he rode off into the sunset since he hasn't been giving us his "valuable," "highly sought" opinions lately. (but I wouldn't doubt if he eventually finds his way back)

This is funny: while I was doing some unrelated research the other day, totally by accident, I saw the name "Christopher Cochran, MD" highlighted in the introduction to a w/s. So I hit the w/s, and it was a w/s about "boring comments." (I kid you not) Well, lo and behold, wouldn't you know...
So if that's OUR one and the same, then it seems he makes more "rounds" on blog sites than he does with his "patients." : )
Oh, well, if the "harvestologist" comes back, I wouldn't doubt he'll start with his whining again about activists being bigots. But that's good because he'll have less time to do his (animal) "harvesting." : )

Posted by: Ariel | October 19, 2007 12:34 PM

I think what Mahatma Gandhi said pretty much somes it all.

"The moral progress of a nation can best be judged by the way it treats its animals." ~ Mahatma Gandhi

Posted by: Vegoconics | October 19, 2007 01:28 PM

On another note, just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Starving-A-Dog-is-Wrong

Posted by: Vegoconics | October 19, 2007 01:38 PM

Hmmm, chance of contracting incurable brain-eating disease that causes you to slowly deteriorate until you die, heart conditions and various other problems vs 10 min of enjoying a burger...Nope, sorry, still don't think it's worth it.
(P.S. You know BSE can spread to deer too right?)

Posted by: Apple | October 19, 2007 03:33 PM

I've said it before and I've said it again. Soy is soy. Meat is meat. Soy should act like and meat should act like meat. If meat never pretends to be soy, then how can soy pretend to be meat?

Posted by: Ray-O | October 19, 2007 05:38 PM

"Has anyone tried the Morningstar Prime Grillers? Every meat-eater who has tried them says they're better than their own hamburgers!" posted 10-18-07, 12:22pm.

Then we have the space cadet come along in post 10-19-07, 10:09pm who took the liberty of partially quoting the first post, and used it to make another outburst by being "doubtful." Yet, did it ever occur to the space cadet that the person who posted that comment just might happen to personally know the people who tried them, and in fact did say they are better?
Oh, btw, C-JDisease can have the advantage over venison burgers.

Posted by: Ariel | October 19, 2007 05:40 PM

Amy's California garden burgers! The best!

Posted by: Susannah S | October 19, 2007 06:51 PM

Personally, I enjoy the Smart Brand Tofu stuff, even though I haven't researched the product all that much. I don't eat the veggie burgers at Burger King but that's cause I don't go there. I'm glad Burger King is moving a step forward but I still think we should ban all fast food until they get their "shit" in better order. (Pun totally intended.) Um, I'm glad to hear that Joe Montana likes veggie burgers. I've never really had a veggie product I couldn't tolerate and I gotta say, if someone out there says they can't stand them at all, then I don't think they've even tried one. But oh well, people are better off from staying away from heavily processed foods period. Every once in a while is ok, but even if it were a veggie burger, if you ate it every day three square meals a day, it would probably do you worse in the long run. But I was wondering if anyone else has heard of the smart brand foods and if they know anything more about the company? Just curious.

Posted by: Brian Luznak Where Have All The MD's Gone? | October 19, 2007 07:25 PM

Has any a/r's activist ever taken a course in "Philosophy for Dummies" that can help me to understand the philosophical Ray-0 question:
"If meat never pretends to be soy, then how can soy pretend to be meat?" (post 10-19-07, 5:38pm.)
That's too deep for me! : )

Posted by: Ariel | October 19, 2007 07:40 PM

apple, chronic wasting disease (CWD)in deer isn't the same as BSE however it does involve prions.
In short BSE doesn't spread to deer. It is a seperate disease.
It is not known whether it is transmissible to humans that eat it.

Posted by: rojo | October 20, 2007 09:13 AM

ariel, what is it with your Dr. obsession? Lately all you seem to be talking about are "anti's".

Posted by: rojo | October 20, 2007 09:17 AM

JOHN STEWART get the hell out of this site... you don't belong with people who have a heart and feel compassion... you definetely belong in a farm factory instead of the animals and when the butcher is ready to cut you up and you're still alive let's see if you feel so spunky and courageous... you are the one who does not have any feelings... I feel sorry for you ....

Posted by: Marilyn | October 20, 2007 10:07 AM

Vote for my husband Damon in the "Real Men Eat GardenBurgers" contest! You can vote once a day!

http://votigo.com/contests/showentry/18862

Posted by: Michele Vieira | October 20, 2007 02:17 PM

"Hmmm, chance of contracting incurable brain-eating disease that causes you to slowly deteriorate until you die, heart conditions and various other problems vs 10 min of enjoying a burger...Nope, sorry, still don't think it's worth it.
(P.S. You know BSE can spread to deer too right?)"

So what? Something going to kill me sooner or later and unlike most on here I don't can't my life in years as being a good life but living a good life today knowing that tommorrow may not come.Enjoy your mercury,DDT, pesticide,fertilized,defoliant laden, geneticaly altered and cloned veggies.Your screwed by poisons eating meat or veggies in todays world.

"Yet, did it ever occur to the space cadet that the person who posted that comment just might happen to personally know the people who tried them, and in fact did say they are better?"

Tsk,tsk Ariel; your reading comprehension really sucks doesn't it? I repost Misty's for you;

"Every meat eater who's tried them says they're better than their own hamburgers!"

Last time I checked I'm a meat eater so she included myself in that statement.She did not post every meat eater I know.

Posted by: Mars | October 20, 2007 06:31 PM

Ariel
If you didn't understand Ray O's analogy, then you are not smart!

Posted by: halo snipe | October 20, 2007 11:18 PM

Ah! Reading comprehension escapes the space cadet once AGAIN!
I'll re-post Misty's ENTIRE post: "Has anybody tried Morningstar Prime Grillers? Every meat eater who's tried them says they're better than their own hamburgers?"

For the intentional reading-disorted space cadet: the person ASKED the forum if ANYBODY has tried a certain brand, therefore not indicating having taken a nationwide poll. Then indicates every meat-eater - who the person apparently KNOWS and/or knows of (a few or many)- has tried the brand and says they're better than... Did I twist it to conform to myself or indicate the person concocted it like the space cadet did? No. Get it?
And we only do have the "now," and our number could be up at any time. However, there is that possibility that we do have a longer lives ahead, but if we contribute now towards ill-health conditions, then it's all the more harder to live longer in poor health, than to live a long, healthy life. And there is ALWAYS a GREAT possibility that a young person does have "tomorrow," which could be the day that he/she is suddenly dx'd with meat-eatng/animal fat related illnesses. People as young as in their 30's have been dx'd with life-long heart conditions due to the the above reasons and had to stop eating them or else.
Nevertheless, what a person chooses to eat is his/her own choice. However, ultimately, quality "now" is the wisest choice.
BTW, there are more choices for "veggies" to eat than just vegetables and fruits. Just wondering if the space cadet ever eats fruits and veggies.

Posted by: Ariel | October 21, 2007 07:15 AM

Next: "ariel, what is with your Dr. obsession? Lately all you seem to be talking about are the anti's." (quote from an anti)
Well, the last I knew, this is an ANIMAL RIGHTS' blog site, NOT an anti-blog site for the convenience of anti's to spew out their hatred, deceptions, distortions, stupidity, ignorance, and nonsense against or about ANIMAL RIGHTS' and a/r's activists.
So the appropriate question would be: why do the anti's have an abnormal obsession to comment on an ANIMAL RIGHTS' blog site?
And since this is an ANIMAL RIGHTS' blog site, then I -as an a/r's activists - SHOULD negate the ad nauseum, obsessed anti's, who are not seriously interested in learning about ANIMAL RIGHTS'
Does that make sense now?
Don't like it? Leave.

Posted by: Ariel | October 21, 2007 07:43 AM

brian,
"I've never really had a veggie product I couldn't tolerate"

the really says it all.

Posted by: rojo | October 21, 2007 10:44 AM

Ariel,
You'll be happy to know that I have returned from the sunset (literally, I was quail hunting in the Sonoran desert)...I will be eating some deer burger this evening which I know is at least as nutritious as soy if not more. Soy burgers, in an effort to make them palatable have added unusual substances like processed wheat flour. Deer burger has one ingredient...deer. I have a tendency to shy away from ultra processed foods. Veggie burgers fall into that category.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 22, 2007 02:18 PM

ariel, sore point?

Posted by: rojo | October 22, 2007 06:22 PM

Ariel, as usual you offer very clear explanations for those who are receptive.

To answer your question about why the anti's are obsessed with coming on an a/r site, I think there are many reasons; however I think it is mainly because they are concerned about the progress being made world-wide in the a/r movement, and they feel that they have to attack us every chance they get, not realizing how ridiculous they end up sounding.

I also wonder if it is something like the "real men don't eat quiche" nonsense from a couple of decades ago... Like it could be perceived as unmanly to admit that one actually liked the taste of veggie burgers. Obviously those who are truly self-confident (and I don't mean arrogant/"cock"y :)) would not care if there were people who thought less of them for making a choice that was for health and/or compassionate reasons.

Posted by: Michele | October 22, 2007 09:53 PM

Ariel, you definetly need to go back and relearn basic elementary reading. You don't even know where one statement ends and another starts. Hint; it's called a period. Then again you'll probaly think it only comes around once a month.

Posted by: Mars | October 23, 2007 07:35 AM

ariel, but you mention them even when they aren't posting, what's with that?

Posted by: rojo | October 23, 2007 06:53 PM

Who the hell wants to live a lnger life. Not me, I'd rather die from a disease than a natural disaster or a Covenant invasion of Earth (Which I will kick alien ass)

Posted by: Mr. Chief | October 23, 2007 10:00 PM

Answer. Your Cholesterol.

The debate over veggie burgers isn't going to get anybody very far. And Doc, I find it extremely hard to believe that you eat deer all the time, but even if you did, you don't deserve a reward. It doesn't matter how processed something is when what you're eating isn't a compassionate thing to eat before it was processed. And bye the bye, the stuff the put into veggie burgers (processed wheat flour) is far better from the hundreds of unnecessary things in your meat. I can't understand the self justification of killing something else that operates like us from the minds of sentient beings. I can only imagine what kind of fear, hatred, confusion, and dim wittedness it takes to slaughter something that was once free to live of its own will. It makes me sick to know that people that don't want to have to think about what they are eating think so much about how to defend that lifestyle that they have to find excuses to keep eating like that. Yuck.

Posted by: Brian Luznak ; What's Up Doc? | October 24, 2007 01:23 PM

"BTW, there are more choices for "veggies" to eat than just vegetables and fruits. "

Yep, there's always dirt.

Posted by: Mars | October 24, 2007 05:08 PM

Ariel must RRRREEEEAAAALLLLYYYY hate Tradition to mention omnivores in a negative way

Posted by: Mr. Chief | October 24, 2007 10:36 PM

Michele;

"To answer your question about why the anti's are obsessed with coming on an a/r site, I think there are many reasons; however I think it is mainly because they are concerned about the progress being made world-wide in the a/r movement, and they feel that they have to attack us every chance they get, not realizing how ridiculous they end up sounding."

So why do AR's go to CEO's homes,furriers and the woods?

Posted by: Mars | October 25, 2007 04:08 PM

Yeah, I guess the legume and whole grains food groups somehow got eliminated, right Ariel? I guess we will just have to eat things like cherry mud pies and broccoli with mud sauce from now on.

I am actually going to be eating a yummy couscous salad for lunch today, and apparently the recipe does NOT call for dirt! Imagine that...

Brian, awesome post!

Posted by: Michele | October 26, 2007 11:03 AM

Brian,

Illness due to wheat exposure is extremely common in the United States. How very noble that you eat barely palatable food in an effort to save a cow's life. If my actions make someone like you sick, then that only emboldens me to continue. I do eat other foods. Mostly vegetables and fruits, but also with lots of other wild game. Occasionally I will enjoy a slow smoked brisket or a thick rare ribeye or a delicious rack of ribs, you don't know what your missing, chief.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 26, 2007 02:53 PM

I guess your not a real vegetarian then michele since you put them into a different catagory. Plantarian maybe.

Posted by: Mars | October 26, 2007 06:12 PM

I was a big meat eater before deciding to help end animal cruelty and now I think veggie burgers are delicious. I really can't tell the difference sometimes between a veggier burger or vegan chicken patty or veggie "meat" and the real thing. The veggie meatballs out there are exceptional. You can make a positive change, save animals and enjoy a great nutritious meal. It is possible, people who aren't willing to even try it are being very close minded. It's not much of a sacrifice to help animals from being tortured.

Posted by: James Fontanetta | October 31, 2007 07:06 PM