Just as I can not fly as I do not have wings, other animals have no concept of justice, irony or that things "suck." These concepts require a frontal lobe. If you don't believe me, I'll introduce you to a man with no frontal lobe (no, it's not me!). and show you how reverted his brain is. All he wants to do is eat and screw, just like a pheasant or any other critter.
Since this hunter knows that, I am sure he will have no such ridiculous thoughts. I am sure, as I would be, he is trying to figure out how to salvage the pheasant season with a wounded leg.
I feel sorry for the poor dog whose greatest joy is flushing birds for his hunter then retrieving them who now must wait for the hunter's wounds to heal before hunting again. Poor dog.
What goes through an animal's mind while being hunted? I don't know for sure, but I imagine it is mostly related to eating or screwing or getting away so that it can eat and screw some more. Deep, deep concepts in the bird brain reside.

Peta disciples are dissapointed I know, because the hunter didn't die. In the same breath, though, they will quote Ghandi or Buddha, an obvious double standard.

I'm off to Mass. this weekend to hunt sea ducks and gorge on seafood. Wish me luck!!

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 30, 2007 10:09 AM

Well it could of been worse, one of the dogs could have been hit instead! Karma anyone!! I just hope he retires the dog that shot him!

Posted by: Carla | October 30, 2007 10:22 AM

*sigh* Do you really think this is an appropriate way to get your message out? I'm not saying you should be cheering on hunters, but you have your own karma to answer to, and making light of the pain of any living being is pretty pathetic.

Posted by: kar_kar | October 30, 2007 11:27 AM

This situation reminds me of a similar ironic situation when I worked in the hospital. A hunter(killer) was out to kill turkeys, (never got one thankfully), shot himself in the foot, hospitalized late at night after the dietary dept. was closed. Since he was hungry, the only food that was immediately available was the "universal" boxed-lunch diets that was kept in the fridges on the nursing floors for patients. Unfortunately I had to be the one to bring it to him, which contained a turkey sandwich! My stomach turned at the thought of having to give him the meat from the very same type of animal that he was ironically out to kill! So he got his turkey after all!
But there he was, seeking comfort from his self-imposed affliction - oh, poor baby!

Posted by: Ariel | October 30, 2007 11:58 AM

Christopher,

Jack is hoping the man, not the dog, is "having a long hard think about things like poetic justice, irony, and why it sucks to get shot at by another animal."

As regards your eatin' and screwin' comments, the Chinese have a saying:
Food and Sex are human nature.

Frontal lobe or not, humans are also animals, and have many of the same motivations as our four-legged brethren.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 30, 2007 12:22 PM

I'll just say I'm glad that Christopher Cochran, MD is not my doctor! I say that what comes around goes around and, not that I enjoy the suffering of any living being, but he did it to himself. It's not like we're talking about a child accidentally shooting himself or a friend with a loaded gun left laying about by irresponsible adults. I say GOOD DOG!

Posted by: Michelle | October 30, 2007 12:24 PM

Ouch! Christopher Cochran strikes again with 234 words of: I hate Peta so I spend every waking minute posting all over their blog!

I keep saying it over and over, but we must recruit Christopher. He has sooooooo much free time, certainly we can help him turn that free wasted time into something positive!

I'm off to enjoy a veggie burrito from Chipotle! Rice, black beans, salsa, lettuce and guacamole!! Wish me luck!

Posted by: Jaclyn | October 30, 2007 12:28 PM

QUICK QUIZ... HOW MANY PETAPHILES WERE ROUTING THAT THE HUNTER DIED FROM THIS ACCIDENT???????
IF THERE IS AT LEAST 1, ENOUGH SAID!

Posted by: STEVE | October 30, 2007 12:34 PM

You can hide behind your MD all you want Cochran however you must have missed your behavioral neuroscience classes in med school. Animals feel pain (not to mention their feelings of attachment to other animals, fear, excitement and the same biological needs of all animals including hunger, thirst and the need to pass on their genes). However when it comes to killing or otherwise injuring non human animals the pain is experienced in the same way a human would experience such injury or pain.

Posted by: Isabella | October 30, 2007 12:44 PM

Ok, so this question goes out to all the hunters. I posed it to my hunter / fisher step-dad the other day. (Remember, he's a hunter and he didn't have a response to it, which is unusual for him. I'm sure you won't either.)

If you cut down a tree, you can then plant a tree in place of it.

If you kill an animal you hunted, how do you plant an animal to replace it?

Posted by: Brian Luznak | October 30, 2007 12:58 PM

to freshman cochran:
i'm sorry to disappoint you but i think you urgently have to intensify your studies about animal behaviour and psychology! animals have a very good sence of irony and humor but not all! for example when i go for a ride with my two horses we are going every month one time to a restaurant and they are preparing for us a nice table outside with a cloth and coffee and cups and plates etc. the stallion becomes always very sceptical and nervous from the noise of the glasses - the mare exactly waits for that moment, then she approaches, catches the cloth with her lips and the glasses fall down - the stallion runs away, waits behind the house and when all the glasses are on the table again but without the cloth - he's approaching quickly to have his sugar - and such things she is always doing with him. the people already know it and come to look and laugh! like this i could tell you hundreds of stories from my dogs and cats etc. but one like you - obviously also a hunter - is just reacting on instincts, not on feelings! so be sure, me i don't quote gandhi and buddha but hubertus - and that guy surely was smarter than you and wiser - but as we know - you still have to make a long way in school but i fear that there are special secrets you never shall
know or even guess because you cannot learn them but such things are given to a person on the first day of his life - or not at all! baaaaah!
mi dispiace per un cretino come te, veramente!

Posted by: la montanara | October 30, 2007 12:59 PM

cochran mc - put your frontal lobe where the sun doesn't shine! what do you want to suggest with this; that every non-human living being with no frontal lobe can be killed and abused? there is another world between hunting and frontal lobes which you don't even know that it exists: the INNATE beauty, love and dignity of every living being and it's inter-relation between it's own species, GOD and the human being! we are all one - there is no separation between the forms of life - but every life is a miracle and has to be respected as GOD's personal property!(pls nobody here should quote for me the bible here - i'm not a christian) and don't forget: every fool can kill a worm but no professor in the world can create one! power of creation is not given to the human being and i'm surprised that you call yourself a doctor and go out for hunting! in no case i would like to be operated by a surgeon suffering from scizofrenia! have a nice day!

Posted by: FREE BURMA | October 30, 2007 01:46 PM

mister cochran,
i don't like your statements! steve and mars are less clever than you but you are worse from them because you are a wolf in a sheep's pelt! don't tell me now that wolfs are so nice animals and blablabla - you know that speaking from you i mean a two-legged wolf but behold - i'm no red riding hood! your nice words are like a poison-filled candy wrapped in a nice babyblue paper with yellow stars to attract children! behind these cosy words lurks a damned bloody beast with long sharp teeth - i can see your soul!!!

Posted by: animalfriend | October 30, 2007 02:07 PM

I wish that bad man learned his lesson. When I see a bad person is attack for an animal in the tv, I wish that bad person dies.

Posted by: liliana | October 30, 2007 02:52 PM

I assume that no one in PETA has ever been hunting because dogs love to hunt. Dogs live to hunt, it is in their genes. So if anyone says that using a dog to hunt is cruel, then you are very ignorant.

Posted by: Brady | October 30, 2007 03:44 PM

I am so moved. Obviously I have been missed.

I never said animals do not have the neurons capable of perceiving negative stimulation (pain). Fear, pain, excitement, hunger are all lower brain functions. Irony, justice, these are concepts only found in humans.

Brian,
You are a pompous person. You don't replace dead trees; trees do that quite well themselves, as do animals. Sexual reproduction may be out of your area of expertise, but that's more of a social problem. We can and do provide a better habitat that encourages that reproduction, but you are correct. You can't plant a pheasant. Did you think all the trees in the forest were planted by someone? Pure genius.

Italian Mountainwoman,

You have a well trained horse, congratulations. My dog recognizes over thirty words, hand signals to dead ducks, and eats crackers off his nose, but that doesn't make him Descartes.

Mike,

I couldn't agree with you more. I do like to eat and screw as well.

Michele,

I would be more than happy to be your doctor. All the best.

Jaclyn,
I do love a good veggie burrito as well.

Animalfriend,

You couldn't find your ass with both hands no less "see my soul." Grow up and stop talking like you're in a movie.

FreeBurma,

Your message entices me to do what I can for the Burmese as with people like you campaigning for them, they are going to need all the help they can get. I am not interested in your views on creation or god or santa claus or fat people hallucinating under trees, but I will happily read your comments as they are posted.

Isabella,
I am not hiding. I am right here. You DID miss me, didn't you?

All the best friends.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 30, 2007 03:53 PM

Always unload your firearms when not in use.

Posted by: Caboose | October 30, 2007 04:03 PM

To Christopher MD, I won't
waste too many words on the
likes of you; the more attention your given, the more
time is wasted on the real issue. Your insignifigant! I
can guarantee for (each) or
any duck you kill, it will all
come right back to you. Now to
move on to the subject: No one
is suggesting that the human
animal should have been killed. I feel bad that even
one pheasant was shot. I don't
wish James Harris dead, nor do
I believe Peta does. I also
hope their are no repercussions from Harris towards his dogs. But let's be
honest when I first read the
story, my reaction was YES! YES! YES!, and in the words of
Clint Eastwood "Make My Day."

Posted by: Pamela L. | October 30, 2007 04:15 PM

To Christopher MD, I won't
waste too many words on the
likes of you; the more attention your given, the more
time is wasted on the real issue. Your insignifigant! I
can guarantee for (each) or
any duck you kill, it will all
come right back to you. Now to
move on to the subject: No one
is suggesting that the human
animal should have been killed. I feel bad that even
one pheasant was shot. I don't
wish James Harris dead, nor do
I believe Peta does. I also
hope their are no repercussions from Harris towards his dogs. But let's be
honest when I first read the
story, my reaction was YES! YES! YES!, and in the words of
Clint Eastwood "Make My Day."

Posted by: Pamela L. | October 30, 2007 04:15 PM

How could anyone actually like for a person to get hurt in an accident, and congradulate the animal that did it? Anyone who thinks that this is right should get shot themselves.

ALso, Carla, how would a death of a dog be more tragic and important than the death of a human being like you? Your pets wouldn't care if YOU died!

Posted by: A-man | October 30, 2007 04:17 PM

I would like "Doctor" Cochran to explain this bit of animal behavior:

A good friend of mine recently had to put one of her cats to sleep. She was devastated and in mourning. Her two other cats, who until then had been fairly aloof (as cats usually are), started to be more affectionate. The other day she came home to find that the two surviving cats had carried toy mice and other play items to the two spots where the deceased cat loved to curl up the most. It was as if they had set up memorials.

This from animals who, according to CCMD, only desire to eat and screw.

Explain THAT.

Posted by: BullyDawg | October 30, 2007 05:10 PM

This is to A-man ... We know what the a stands for. Yes pets do care if you die. They care more than any person on this planet does. Once again we know what the a stands for and it is not nice.

Posted by: Ruth | October 30, 2007 05:37 PM

cochran,
are you so stupid or do you play to be so stupid - didn't you read out of my text that my horse is not well-trained but an innovative genius! you poor thumbsucker - i put you in one basket together with descartes! with your 'intelligence' you know what i mean! and instead of stumbling over your own words here on these blogs you would do better in waxing your floor with your rectum because it's you who is in the movie but in the wrong one!!! foaming troll!

Posted by: la montanara | October 30, 2007 05:40 PM

A-man
Of course they would silly, they sleep with me. No seriously, I would like to think my two dogs would miss if I should die first! They're my pals!

Posted by: Carla | October 30, 2007 05:44 PM

Hey folks:
why the hell are you still dealing with this mad doctor - this guy is just consulting some medicine dictionary and throwing in some latin words for to make himself important! A real doctor doesn't need to tell us that he is one - but he is proving it by his intelligent talking! Do you find thisone here intelligent? He doesn't even know that animals are intuitious and very well able to surprise us again and again! But this guy here is not surprising, this is the old evergreen which we know by heart!

Posted by: Green Mile | October 30, 2007 06:01 PM

To Steve, we love animals so how could we possibly wish any living beings harm be it hunters or any other similar lowly life forms.
A thought, shouldn´t people like you and Mr.Cochrane, obvious hunting fans and very opinionated, go to some redneck blog, there´s loads of them out there and you boys would feel much more at home.

Posted by: Maureen | October 30, 2007 06:24 PM

"If you kill an animal you hunted, how do you plant an animal to replace it?"

Easy. The same way you replaced the tree.Dead is dead irregardless if it's a plant or animal. A dead tree will not grow back.

Posted by: Mars | October 30, 2007 07:07 PM

You've completely perpetuated the asinine stereotype of Animal Rights activists being misanthropes. I can't stand this. A sentient animal is a sentient animal. Cruel animal or kind animal both should be respected to some degree. Do you say "good lion" for having killed a 'mean' buffalo? No. Gandhi said to people like you that we shouldn't hate them for weaknesses we all possess, and I must agree. Revoke your prejudices because they are potentially the greatest endangerment to this movement.

Posted by: Jerry Sproehlich | October 30, 2007 07:25 PM

Christopher, dude...I dont' read your stuff.

But I see you post ALOT.

Aren't you supposed to be...oh, I don't know...HELPING YOUR PATIENTS??!?

Posted by: Tamara | October 30, 2007 08:05 PM

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!! FOR BRIGHTENING UP MY DAY!

GIVE US NEWS LIKE THIS MORE OFTEN

Posted by: Mary | October 30, 2007 08:32 PM

As a soldier in the ARMY OF CHRIST God does give us the authority to call evil down upon the heads of the enemies of God. Therefore, DR. NUMBNUTS I wish you and all the hunters this season and every season the full measure of the Malucka on your killing spree of Animals crafted by the Hand Of God. I pray it's your last.

Posted by: Kimberly | October 30, 2007 08:37 PM

Give that Dog a Treat......

....... And an Automatic!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 30, 2007 08:41 PM

Yes, the beginning of the season when hunters shoot each other, themselves, innocent bystanders, people in their yards, their kids, pets, cows in pastures, and on and on

Is it any wonder that this is "sport" for the uneducated and backwards?

Posted by: kelly | October 30, 2007 09:35 PM

PAMELA YOU ARE VERY WRONG, BUT THE PETS KNOW WHAT LOVE MEANS, SO THEY SUFFER WHEN THE PARENT PET DIES AND MANY OF THESE PETS DIE TOO.

Posted by: liliana | October 30, 2007 09:58 PM

You PETA people are a bit sadistic. (So it's not just us anti's. I am an almost anti.)

Posted by: Caboose | October 30, 2007 10:43 PM

Haha - yeah I read about this on Yahoo!
Good doggy!!

Posted by: D Barker | October 31, 2007 05:16 AM

I am sorry to hear that this poor man was injured doing something he must have really liked to do. I do agree with Kharama (to an extent), but that was just ridiculous. While I am happy that the hunter may be having time to rethink his life, I highly doubt he's doing that.
And while I wish I could say "Good dog!" I find I have a restraint. What if dogs were encouraged to do that sort of thing? When would it become human abuse? And when would a dog accidentally get hurt? It happens a lot--just because it doesn't make it to the news doesn't mean a single bloody thing.
So please, people, just because "irony" may have occured does not mean that man is changing. Don't get your hopes of freakishly high.

And in reference to this supposed MD guy:
What the f, why are you even bothering to argue with him> It's pointless. It's very clear that all he wants is a good fight, and you're giving it to him--not "converting him to PETA" As long as you argue, you make him happy and fill up his and your freetime with pointless anger and frustration. arguing never solved anything. So please, take a leaf out of Julia Butterfly Hill's life and example and book. Go with the flow, love everyone, and don't argue so much.

Posted by: Sophia | October 31, 2007 08:22 AM

coming back to my dispute with cocky:
yesterday you made me too angry in speculating that i'm a horsetrainer! so here is my answer:
never in my life i trained an animal! when i was five years old i went to the circus with my mom and she told me already then that animals dressed in human clothes - standing on two legs or one, or on their head is shameful and against the dignity of the two! so already in my early age i turned my back to such things and i don't even know how to train an animal! but letting them free to chose their own lifes - exactly that time they develop their own ideas and make a step forward in evolution! when i rode my horse the first time no person before was sitting on his back and imagine: there was no rodeo! the two we had no idea about riding but the horses which you see on rodeos have their stomach tied up; they are no broncos! so my horse stood still for at least ten minutes, then he walked slowly into an edge and put his head up in the air - that's all! the next four or five times we continued just walking around the hall and after slowly slowly with the teachers help....
in all my life i won the animal's love - not his skill - first the love (they are my babies) and then the skill is manifesting continuously but not as a pattern but they took me into their family! every animal has his own world - for this no horse is the same as the other - everyone is very different with an own character and an own will - yes will!!! but the human being with his cartesian indoctrination is breaking this will according to the law of the stronger! the best example we find in the roman emperors, napoleon and hitler - they even crushed their own species just for to show us that they are stronger! but alas - this is no way of human dignity and love - but fascism which destroys the whole structures of the divine plan of the sectrets of life!
for this i tell you: maybe you are a doctor - but even a professor and a nobel prize winner is a zero without that special divine touch of freedom and respect of life concerning all living beings! as you mentioned descartes and suggesting that you studied his work i suppose that you are - if you want it or not - a prisoner of his poisonous doctrine which distroyed together with the bizarre ideas of thomas aquinus the whole coming up divine ethical structure of the european society and which infiltrated the other continents during colonization! this is the direct reason of the todays degeneration of hindu culture, the anihilation of the native american philosophical and cultural treasures, the attempted distruction of the native spirits of pacific and australian aborigines! today the cartesian spirit is challenging the arab world - but thoseones have one big advantage more than the american native: they don't drink alcohol - which was the ruin of the red man! now - we shall see!!! and for the people with paranoia here: i'm not a muslim nor a terrorist but an old peace loving woman who respects every living being and who would like to have the sunshine back in her life on that day when there shall be no animals murdered anymore for ever!

Posted by: la montanara | October 31, 2007 09:02 AM

Cochran,
Of course the Irony of this story does not appeal to you, because you are however the hunter....The Karma in this story does not appeal to you simply for the reason you can not fathom the thought of such happening to you. It is very ironic when nature fights back! You being the typical hunter you are have tried many times in the past to defend your hobby by stating that you are doing society a favor! When in fact you are doing nature more of an injustice than your small minded self may ever understand. See it is like this Mr. Cochran you have in the past spoke of hunters being responsible for controlled population I love this excuse the most from hunters that is.....the main problem with the overpopulation of a certain species can be best explained by looking at Yellowstone National Park & the reintroduction of the grey wolf...see many years ago people feared and destroyed the grey wolf population taking out of the equation the natural predator...the Elk & Bison population soared into great numbers, because there was no natural predator to balance out nature in return the Elk and Bison ate more of the things needed in nature for other animals...once the grey wolf was reintroduced into the society however major changes took place instantly. Now I am sure Mr. Cochran you would say that if they had just let hunters in to hunt there would have never been a problem at all, but see this is where your theory just does not work out when grey wolves kill an Elk they leave the dead carcass on the ground....(unlike a hunter that takes the body with them) this in turn provides food for many insects that are part of the balance of nature no matter how small you see them. Humans by killing off predators, and chasing the wildlife out of their habitats with construction have caused a population problem.....and just so you understand humans taking over the predator roles does not balance out nature in any way! The other famous excuse from people like Mr. Cochran is the amount of sick & diseased animals they keep out of nature...and as said in the past how many sick, and diseased animals do these hunters have mounted on their walls? There is no justification for hunting it is a sick, ego trip that hunters enjoy so of course they will look for many different reasons to defend it. Deep with in the heart of all hunters they know they are doing wrong why else would they try so hard to make themselves look as if they are doing the world a big favor by chasing down some defenseless creature for the thrill of the kill. Taking away a mother, or father. Mr. Cochran have you ever looked into a deers eyes and seen extreme fear or panic? Have you ever looked into the eyes of animal, and seen them beg for one last chance to live? Have you ever wondered what it is like to take a mother dear from her babies? Are you naive enough to really think that animals do not feel pain or fear? If they did not fear you they would not run, and if they did not feel pain so many of them would not kick and scream the way cows & pigs do when being cut open alive or burned alive.... You are not the natural predator in the woods your main meal does not have to come from what you hunt...you have many options on where to get your food other than out in the woods. You are not the grey wolf or any other natural predator whose only meal is found in the woods. I do hope that one day you Mr. Hunter do not find out the true meaning of Karma...

Posted by: Dana | October 31, 2007 09:42 AM

PamelaL.

You are correct when you say the ducks I kill/murder/bag/harvest will all come back to me. Thanks to a wonderful Lab or Chessy, those ducks will make it back to my layout boat. The dog will get a "good boy" and smile in the way a dog smiles with waggy tails and droopy tongues. Then we'll hunker down and wait for the next flight and the world keeps turning and turning in the same beautiful way. Beauty, by the way, is not innate, it's relative.

BullyDawg,

I don't pretend to understand the social behaviors of Felis domesticus, but I do know that your friends cat was not memorializing Fluffy. Nor did she hold the toys in her paw and recite, "alas poor fluffy, I knew her well." Likely, she noticed a rift in her previously comfortable social system and was doing what had worked in the past, however now futile, to improve/mend her social/pride system. Like I said, I am no expert on this subject. I can, of course, see why many animal behaviors are misinterpreted as high level functioning as some animals just seem so "human."

Cheers

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 31, 2007 10:30 AM

ecce homo cockus bellicosus in terra prehistorica est spiritus pauperrimus non sanctus - ad peta persona non grata!

AD BESTIAM!!!

POLLICE VERSO

Posted by: ex-latinus | October 31, 2007 12:59 PM

Sad! Just plain sad! PETA=
People Who Eat Tasty Animals.
Get a life!
Gwt a hobby!
Quit substituting meat for "tofu turkey". Just eat the turkey. Its GOOD! Plus you don't have to re-invent the taste of the dang turkey. And leave the hunter and his dawg alone. Shame on you..another living being was injured and you praise the dog like he was a rebellious soldier. Get a life! We hunters make more money than you do anyway! you're fighting a loosing battle.

Posted by: Eagle Eye | October 31, 2007 01:23 PM

BullyDawg:
you see - in the same way as this cochran mc is minimizing the animals in order to find an excuse for murdering them - in the same way in middle age people like him found ways to minimize women in order to torture or to burn them! even if he has to put the inside of his brains outside and back he shall never give up! and you know why he is still ad nauseam on this blog to lead this discussion ad absurdum: because of his bad conscience - but this he shall never admit but find another surgically prepared evidence for the emptyness of animal's hearts and souls! circulus viciosus!

Posted by: animalfriend | October 31, 2007 01:33 PM

eagle eye: at least you are honest - you hunters make more money than we! you make money in killing other living beings who have exactly the same right to live as you - even if you don't deserve it! and you should be ashamed and hide your face behind a mask until the end of your days!

Posted by: ghostdog | October 31, 2007 01:47 PM

Wow Eagle Eye, you are SO original! No one ever thought of your brilliant version of the PETA acronym before! LMAO

I would never be glad that this hunter was injured, but the irony is undeniable. As an optimist, I would hope there is some glimmer in this man's brain telling him to reconsider his hunting ways, now that he knows what it feels like to be shot by a fellow earthling.

No matter what though, this incident shows just how stupid hunting is (besides the obvious cruelty that goes along with it).

Posted by: Michele | October 31, 2007 02:12 PM

I apologize for my earlier statements, and admit that it is perhaps a questionable use of my time to continue posting on the blog in this manner. To be honest, while I am admittedly not an animal-lover in the way that you "PETAphiles" are, I started posting on here originally as a prank of sorts, but the situation has snowballed. I have been posting primarily for the sake of riling you folks up, and realize that it isn't really promoting my way of thought. I know my words are often offensive and, upon rereading my previous posts to the PETA blog, I see that my tone has been decidedly "pompous." My sincerest apologies for any offense and I do hope you all can forgive me. I really would like to hear your thoughts and justifications out and give them a fair chance, thereby honoring the exalted degree I've been advertising in my signatures on the blog. Again, I apologize.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 31, 2007 03:16 PM

Sophia

I agree with your comment.

Posted by: Ana | October 31, 2007 03:50 PM

liliana,
SPEAK ENGLISH!

Posted by: Pamela L. | October 31, 2007 03:53 PM

Kimberly

Do you live in a church because you ALWAYS mention "God"?

Posted by: Caboose | October 31, 2007 04:06 PM

As far as Eagle Eye's comments about money

Hunters consistently come from the least educated, least successful, least affluent parts of American society

Because successful people with a brain aren't wasting their time out in the woods shooting tame animals and each other

Posted by: kelly | October 31, 2007 04:13 PM

Concerning Mr. Cochran's answer to BullyDawg: after you have been reading it very well I may introduce you to a very special text which has been taken off the Bible a long time ago and which you can find now in the Apocryphs and here you shall clearly recognize why this text has been banned:

When Paul was on his way to Rome he found outthere in the desert a lion lying on the ground in pain because he had a big thorn in his paw! Paul approached the lion and took the thorn out.
Many years later, when he was condemned 'ad bestiam' or in good english 'to the beasts' in the great circus in Rome it was the same lion he saved years ago in the desert by which he should have been eaten now! And the lion RECOGNIZED him and spared him because he was THANKFUL for his salvation! You got the point! The animal abuser is keen on minimizing his victim in order to get the 'lawful right' to abuse and kill it! the governors on their upper high places didn't like such stories - showing that an animal can reason and feel justice and recognize a person after years! and for the same reason they killed Joy Adamson and her husband - in order to let behind them a tomb - that cannot talk...
So be aware that we have to deal here with criminal elements since centuries and more!!!

Posted by: Old Spiderwoman | October 31, 2007 04:15 PM

Hunters are also among the worst culprits when it comes to dog abuse

They believe silly old wives tales, and don't alter their dogs. Result? Thousands of unwanted and dumped puppies

They overbreed, then dump the "washouts" often in the woods to starve

They chain their dogs, force them to live outside, starve them, beat them

Hillbilly hunters are among the worst offenders when it comes to treating dogs like absolute garbage (despite all their empty talk about how much they love their dogs)

Posted by: kelly | October 31, 2007 04:16 PM

CC MD.... WHY WOULD YOU APOLOGIZE TO THESE PETAPHILES FOR SPEAKING YOUR THOUGHTS... YOU DID NOT YELL, RANT OR CURSE...YOU JUST SPELLED OUT YOUR BELIEFS. YOU WERE SPIT ON, YELLED OUT,TOLD THAT YOU WERE STUPID, CURSED AT AND WISHED THAT YOU WOULD DIE A SLOW DEATH. WHY? BECAUSE YOU DISAGREED WITH THE PETA AGENDA AND ITS LEGION OF ALL KNOWING SUPREME BEINGS WHO PUT ANIMALS AND THEIR RIGHTS IN FRONT OF PEOPLES.
YOU DO NOT OWE THESE EXTREMISTS A THING!

Posted by: STEVE | October 31, 2007 04:30 PM

I am a nurse and find Christopher cochran's comments very frightening. Is it Dr. Christopher Cochran speaking or Dr. Hanibal Lechter? Just wondering.

Posted by: susan | October 31, 2007 04:39 PM

Ariel and Doug,

Thanks for your kind comments on my—ahem—vivisection "piece" a while back.

Christopher,

I think man is really incapable of judging the "intelligence" of other animals, especially from our myopic, jaundiced viewpoint.

There are many kinds of intelligence—mathematical, athletic, artistic, musical, verbal, intuitive, sensory, spatial, etc. There are many animals that with little fanfare accomplish feats daily we can only dream of. Remember, "intelligent" man also once fervently believed the earth was flat.

"We need another and a wiser and perhaps a more mystical concept of animals. We patronize them for their incompleteness, for their tragic fate of having taken form so far beneath ourselves. And therein we err and greatly err. For the animal shall not be measured by man. In a world older and more complex than ours they move finished and complete, gifted with extensions of the senses we have lost or never attained, living by voices we shall never hear. They are not brethren, they are not underlings; they are other nations, caught with ourselves in the net of life and time, fellow prisoners of the splendour and travail of the earth."
-Harry Beston

"It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions."
-Mark Twain.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 31, 2007 04:51 PM

I didnt take the time to read through all the bickering but I will say this. I am a wing shooter, and I go to great lengths to make sure the places I hunt have only wild birds and not the clipped wing, cage bred birds that are common at some of the more expensive, rich-man, lazy-man hunt clubs. Moreover, I dont go to extremes, I shoot more clays than birds, I just like to be out in the country (and no I am not an inbred hillbilly). My favorite part about the hunt is being outside and watching my dogs, do what they were born to do, and thats flush out and retreive birds. They go absolutely nuts when we are driving to the field, they seem to know on the days we are going out hunting. I understand that PETA defends the rights of all animals, but to be celebrating the fact that this man's dog, whom he no doubts treats better than some people treat their kids in this country, shot his owner and that is a form of Karma is just out of control. I will not apologize for being a hunter,but the fact that I search this site to make sure the meat and or every-day items that I use are in line with what PETA's beliefs are for the fair treatment of animals (or at least as close as I can get to respecting the rights of animals without going vegan), shows that not all of us hunters are mindless cavemen.

Posted by: Doug | October 31, 2007 05:12 PM

So much for innocent animals then if by the AR posts the dog now has "evolved" to human mental levels where violence equals justice.Welcome to the human world doggy!

As for myself. I'll just continue with the understanding that the dog had no clue of the operation of a firearm let alone malice to the human that was helping him fulfill his natural desire to hunt.

Posted by: Mars | October 31, 2007 06:18 PM

Dear almost everyone on here:
Im a hunter since I was 8 years old my dad would take me hunting. Growing up in Alaska was the place to be for outdoor activities and thats what I know. Its a tradition that has gone down my family many many years and I will continue it. When you guys say that we, the hunters, are a "group of uneducated people"...I dont think so. Speaking for myself, I have a bachelors in Zoology and I am taking a course in wildlife conservation. I graduated with honors. Does that make me uneducated? did ya'll know that hunting IS away of wildlife conservation? that is why we have hunting seasons, we keep in balance the amount of animals there are so we can assure their survival.
EXAMPLE: deer season they let you take certain amount of bucks (male deer) and does (female) to keep the buck to doe ratio even so they can mate and eventually reproduce. If there were too many, there woudnt be enough food and they would die from starvation. What do u prefer?
To my point about the post....
Accidents happen all the time, unfortunately this individual wasnt careful while hunting. he didnt have his safety on and like someone previously said he shouldnt have the gun loaded when he was walking. About the dogs...These dogs are bred to hunt, its in their instict. My dog, I've never trained him to hunt and hes a pure bred retriever, hes always looking for lizards, birds, and actually sometimes brings them to me as a gift. This guy is not going to file charges, that is ridiculous....
Like in everything else, there are a few bad apples that spoil the whole bunch. I know in my group of people that we go out with, they are all very educated, very ethical and very resposible people. It kills me that you guys have to bash it that way. We are killing the animals without cruelty. I'd say most of the time(99.9%) they die a torture free death unlike the cattle farms, eggs famrs and all the other places yall have videos on here for.
Thats my point of view. I dont bash you, its your free will to have a belief but dont bash us.
Thats all...
oh and please dont go after our kids either, thats a below the belt move.

Posted by: Valerie | October 31, 2007 06:47 PM

I was laughing so much at the infamous ccmd's "apologetic" comments, that it took a while for me to compose myself in order to write! LOL

Ok, now, let's get serious.
He has tried to undermine our intelligence ever since making his first announcement on this blog site. If there is anyone out there besides me who didn't think he has been posting comments for the purpose of "riling" us since day one and has been continuing with his "pranks," speak up now.
(but I'll give him credit for finally owning up to the truth of his intentions.)

I remember for a fact that immediately a/r's activists caught on to his act by a lot of commenters who told him so. Nevertheless, several of us gave him just a tad of the benefit by having attempting to have mature discussions with him, but he decided to make more and more juvenile comments.

He has been reading our "thoughts" and "justifications" all along, and now wants a "fair chance" to hear us out? Well, he has been getting MORE than a fair chance for months, despite his stupidity and attempted insults.
This is NOT a matter of not forgiving him. It's a matter of not "exalting" HIM by giving him more reason to express his nonsense by justifying his lust for killing animals on an ANIMAL RIGHTS' blog site! Now he wants to control us "PETAphiles" - just as much as he wants to control wildlife.
He knows he's really being bombarded now, and feels uncomfortably targeted - so he comes up with a lame apology to try to save his act - and his over-inflated ego.

As I said long ago, I know - as well no doubt a lot of other people know - there are "MDs" who shouldn't even have their names in the same sentence with that honorable title. Cocky, YOU are one of them! You are a disgrace to the medical profession, as well as to the human species!

And also as I recently said: a leopard doesn't change his spots.
So, Cocky, don't count me among the ones who you think are going to believe you!

Posted by: Ariel | October 31, 2007 07:21 PM

I think Dr. Cochran MD is not an MD at all. What kind of doctor spends all day trying to get a rise out of people? Unless you suck as a doctor and have a lot of time on your hands. Humm, I am guessing that he is some overweight scumbag that sits around playing video games all day because he does not have a life or a significant other. Am I right Chrissy?

Posted by: TK | October 31, 2007 08:33 PM

The post of 10.31.07 at 15:16 is most definitely not me.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | October 31, 2007 11:08 PM

Dr. Cochran:
You're not really a doctor, are you? No doctor of my acquaintance (and I know several, one of whom is my brother-in-law) has TIME to sit and write long, pompous letters on a web site for a cause he doesn't even like.
So...are you retired or just a fake, or do you have so few patients that you get on the blogs between them? At any rate, WHY do you come on a PETA web site to talk about hunting and what you've had to eat today? Do you just like to cause controversy? If so, why not try a hobby instead? If not, then why not try to understand the point of view here instead of constantly pooh-poohing it with your alleged superior wisdom? There are many things to be learned from the animal rights cause, even if you don't believe in it, things like compassion, proper stewardship of the planet, and how to be more of a complete human being. Your "gentleman farmer" attitude strikes a hollow note here and is irrelevant, to put it politely.

Posted by: Susannah S | November 1, 2007 10:12 AM

Why are you all giving this idiot your time? getting back to the issue, when i heard this story about the hunter i just laughed and laughed and laughed, etc,etc,etc, good dog.

Posted by: Jaquie | November 1, 2007 02:36 PM

Why is everyone being so nasty? If people want to be vegetarian then let them, who are we hurting? We didn't shoot this man. I don't know who this doctor is but to be honest he doesn't sound very intelligent, big words don't make you clever. Education does though and obviously Dr Cochran has never been taught the difference between right and wrong. It's quite pathetic that you feel the need to come on this site and tell us that we are wrong, it's almost like you thrive off arguing with these people. Leave them alone, you won't win!

Posted by: ali | November 1, 2007 03:44 PM

I wish I could write an entire book about why hunting is not murder here, but I woudn't have enough room. First, hunting can't be murder because murder is the killing of another person, not a wild animal. Second, anyone who thinks that hunters are all drunk rednecks that just go out and blow the crap out of everything should really think it over. Although there are some people who do this, they all are trully disliked by real hunters. Some hunters live in cities! So, not all hunters are rednecks. Finally, huter conservation is not a load of bull. If you knew how much hunting has actually helped, with all the money spent, you would be amazed. Also, the goverment has set up laws now so a species will not go extinct.

Oh, and just one more thing. Hunters can't be cowards if they can stand 80 foot-pounds of recoil.

Posted by: A-man | November 1, 2007 04:08 PM

im a meat eater for life, ducks, deer, turkey, and coon kill em all love to hunt...

Posted by: meat eater | November 1, 2007 07:14 PM

Its not the dogs fault anyway so we should just shut up. The man was stupid for going hunting in the first place.

Posted by: courtney | November 1, 2007 10:16 PM

"If you kill an animal you hunted, how do you plant an animal to replace it?"

If you bought a hunting permit, that money supports wildlife conservation programs, which benefit wildlife and natural habitat which everyone can enjoy.

Posted by: AO | November 1, 2007 11:26 PM

Bounty Hunting is better.

Posted by: Caboose | November 3, 2007 12:05 AM

As a Husband,Father,Engineer (Aerospace)hunter, fisherman, hiker, camper, ATVer, musician and artist who absolutely loves and craves the outdoors, I can only say one thing about you PETA...HUUZZAA!! Mine and my childrens outdoor rights will never be in danger as long as you keep doin what you do!! THANKS PETA!!!

Posted by: Karl | November 5, 2007 08:24 PM

there is nothing wrong with hunting and fishing why dont you people find something better to do with your time instead of trying to trample on other peoples rights.

Posted by: claude | November 5, 2007 10:09 PM

Peta along with all you people are a bunch of radical fundamentalists. You animal- loving fucktards irritate me. There are other ways to get your message across without coming off as assholes that celebrate when a man gets shot in the leg. Dont you have better things to do with your time other than using it to trample on our rights. If i want to eat a hamburger, then I should be able to eat the fucking thing without having to worry about one of you idiots sneaking up and pouring red paint all over my clothes. If i want to wear leather, the same applies. There has to be other ways to promote your message other than assault; which is what you do every time you pour red paint all over people. Grow up Peta. Humans are meant to be carnivors/omnivors. We are meant to hunt and eat animals. Just like most animals are carnivors who hunt and eat each other. We just have the smarts to rear our animals instead of hunting them like we live in the dark ages. While I find your efforts to raise animal rights awareness admirable, your methods are excessively strong.

Posted by: Renee | December 19, 2007 03:41 PM