Right on!! Go Peta Europe!! Keep pressuring them all!! Hopefully soon everyone will find out the horrors of foie gras and the sick proceedures that go into making the enlarged livers of those poor ducks.

Posted by: Carla | October 1, 2007 11:28 AM

Ducks? Must be the poor mans version. We use geese.I guess now they will just throw the livers away instead of using them. So much waste.

Posted by: Mars | October 1, 2007 01:25 PM

Mars LOVES posting on Peta's blogs.

Posted by: Jaclyn | October 1, 2007 02:46 PM

Way to go Peta Europe, and
more power to you in getting
other large Chain stores, to
drop sales of Foie Gras. Ducks
and Geese are intelligent,
friendly, interactive little
creatures. None of who deserve
the horrendous practice of
force feeding. The whole
industry of Foie Gras is cruel
vial, and just wrong--very wrong--and nobody is going to
tell me otherwise.

Posted by: Pam Locke | October 1, 2007 03:07 PM

Someone calls a diseased liver a delicacy, and gullible people actually buy into it.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 1, 2007 03:16 PM

Mars,
what do you mean with 'we use geese???? are you one of these hideous animal torturers who make these animals go through all this horror? If yes i wish you that very soon your balls shall be cut off and roasted for the devils breakfeast!!! if not i cram them personally into your throat! because now i'm really angry!!!

Posted by: Old Spiderwoman | October 1, 2007 05:08 PM

Hey MARS, who is paying you to attack PETA? You seem to have a negative comment towards animals on every single topic. If you hate animals so much, why don't you go onto the "petakillsanimals" site and share your comments there. Or maybe because you are hired by the very company that promotes those lies, which in turn is paid for by the corporate giants i.e. fast food and meat industry, chemical companies, cosmetics and the list goes on.

Posted by: Michelle | October 1, 2007 05:38 PM

Yes, you're right Mars. Hate to admit it but you are wrong about something their livers would never get like that if those people wouldn't force feed them 3 times there own wait pr day! And yes I learnt that from Peta!! Smile!

Posted by: Carla | October 1, 2007 06:04 PM

Weight! Wrong again I must be tired!

Posted by: Carla | October 1, 2007 06:05 PM

Mars,

What are you talking about, these geese/ducks are raised especially for foie gras, they are force fed so they get liver disease which increases the size of their livers to be used for foie gras. This is not a bi-product that is just wasted. These aren't just wondering around the fields, paddling in ponds having a good life until they are killed, they are tortured and live a miserable existence for the short time they are on this earth.

Posted by: SB | October 1, 2007 10:20 PM

Mars, You must be a PETA Lurker. I see you stirring the pot at every turn. Don't you have anything better to do? I am starting to think that you are on PETA's bankroll as a conversation starter.

Posted by: Kimber | October 2, 2007 05:45 AM

PETA europe is awesome!!! those poor ducks don't deserve to have their livers enlarged in the most horrific way possible..why would people want to eat that crap anyway?!! thanks again PETA, you guys are the best!

Posted by: kate | October 2, 2007 09:39 AM

I read about more diseases associated with organs. That's why I eat meat from reliable sources. Not going to be a vegan. Besides, plants are alive, they get stressed and it's now been proven that they will compete against a different plant, but not against their own kind. So, why are you vegans killing plants? And are you going to stop animals from eating other animals?

Posted by: Jake B | October 2, 2007 02:22 PM

Jake B, when you get your early heart attack, Doc Cochran will treat you with high doses of self-delusion. Good luck.

Posted by: kelly | October 2, 2007 02:49 PM

Jake B
So YOUR plants get stessed, do they also talk to you? Quick, get your meds. We are doing that already---animals stop eating other animals--it's called veganism. There are lots of vegan/vegetarians that have decided to be compassionate and stop eating animals. Now the animals called cannibals, well that's another issue. Perhaps you can be the one to change their minds. FYI, plants are not sentient.

Posted by: Ana | October 2, 2007 03:50 PM

Jake,

I've already posted this elsewhere, but I think it answers your question.

Re: The killing of plants...

Plants...

1) Have no evolutionary reason to perceive pain since they cannot locomote away from it.
2) Even if they can perceive pain, plants are actually killed in far greater numbers by meat-eaters, since the animals they eat generally consume vast amounts of plant food. And meat-eaters eat plants as well as meat. About the only thing in a traditional hamburger that is not plant-based is the meat patty itself.
3) Are not always harmed in the process of harvesting, e.g. many fruits.
4) Often are about to die anyway at the end of a growing season, which is when they are usually harvested (e.g. prior to the onset of winter and a killing frost).

And yes, as of yesterday, I've stopped all animals from eating other animals.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 2, 2007 04:15 PM

Anyone who thinks that the practice of raising geese/ducks for foie gras is acceptable should have to spend just ONE HOUR going through what these animals have to endure, day after day.

If any of you foie gras supporters would care to have a tube rammed down your throat (by someone else, not by yourself) to be force fed several times per day, I would be glad to hear your feedback. If you think it feels fine, then I guess I would be prepared to rethink my feelings about the issue. Of course, you would have to provide video evidence of this activity...

Posted by: Michele | October 2, 2007 04:36 PM

Only adding to Mike's very well-explained comments to an anti, from which I learned.

1. Eating meat from "reliable sources" does not change the fact that people would be exempt from arterio and cardiac diagnoses because of that choice of meat.
2. Plants/vegetables/fruits do not have a central nervous system (or a brain), which the central nervous system sends messages to the brain for people and animals to be aware of feeling pain and other physical sensations.
3. Plants/vegetables/fruits are a composite of living cells that thrive on water, sunlight, and nutrients from the soil, but they are not feeling beings that are capable of having emotions as do the animals, ie, fear, visibly responding to pain, torture, gentle touches, etc.
4. The purpose of the liver, including that which is ultimately used for foie gras, is to cleanse toxins from the body.
By purposely forcing the ducks' livers to become enlarged, that greatly decreases their livers' function, and highly increases the - not the potential - but factual introduction of more diseases into the liver before consumption.
Those diseases from foie gras are being studied to show that there is a much greater possibility for humans to develop such diagnoses as Alzheimer's.

Posted by: Ariel | October 2, 2007 07:24 PM

you guys are losers. haven't you heard of people when they lose a leg or arm? they still feel something. scientists did a kind of x-ray and cut off part of a leaf. they still could see the part that was cut off. go ahead and say your stupid stuff about the plants talking to me. I base my information on science. you base your information on fantasy.

and guess what? my doctor says my cholesterol rocks!

finally, Mike, how did you stop ALL animals from eating animals? the dog is still enjoying chicken and beef. the cat is enjoying Alaska King Salmon and so am I as well as my neighbors. Great on the smoker with alder wood!

Posted by: Jake B | October 2, 2007 09:03 PM

"What are you talking about, these geese/ducks are raised especially for foie gras, they are force fed so they get liver disease which increases the size of their livers to be used for foie gras."

Sure, they raise and feed the entire bird to harvest an organ they get about .25c for and throw away the rest that they could get $15. for. Yea, that makes sense.They do that with cows and pigs too!LOL.The liver grows back so they could easily harvest half the liver every month without killing the bird if they wanted but the bird is killed for meat and it's heart,liver,gizzard are byproducts.

"wouldn't force feed them 3 times there own wait pr day! "

Go to your local park with all the bread,corn, feed that you can afford and see if you have to force feed the ducks and geese to get rid of it all.

" Eating meat from "reliable sources" does not change the fact that people would be exempt from arterio and cardiac diagnoses because of that choice of meat."

Not really but so what? Something will kill you, what difference does it make what it is?Longevity is not an indicator of a life well lived.

"if not i cram them personally into your throat!"

I'd love to have you make the attempt. Remember, I'm the horrible,murdering killer and your the meek vegan. Good luck.

"Plants/vegetables/fruits do not have a central nervous system (or a brain), which the central nervous system sends messages to the brain for people and animals to be aware of feeling pain and other physical sensations."

That's how WE feel or associate pain. It does not apply to plants. I can just as easily argue the same things in regards to animals.

"Plants/vegetables/fruits are a composite of living cells that thrive on water, sunlight, and nutrients from the soil, but they are not feeling beings that are capable of having emotions as do the animals, ie, fear, visibly responding to pain, torture, gentle touches, etc.
"

They bleed and they do visibly react to being "gently touched". Ever heard of a "touch me not"?How about poison ivy?

Posted by: Mars | October 3, 2007 08:28 AM

Ok, I'll fess up. I really do base all my information on fantasy, which I learned at Disney's fantasy theme park. Mickey Mouse taught me almost everything I know. He is so smart and even explained to me about phanthom sensations after amputations.
I debated with Dumbo, the elephant, but he was still firm, saying that no matter how much animal fats people eat, their cholesterol levels are guaranteed to stay low. And he said all those medical diagnoses are just mumbo jumbo.
Donald Duck taught me that foie gras is diseased livers.

Posted by: Ariel | October 3, 2007 08:57 AM

Jake,

That was a facetious response to your query, "And are you going to stop animals from eating other animals?".

You're referring to phantom pain. But, whether plants can feel pain or not, you missed the point of my post. Meat-eaters are responsible for killing far more plants than vegetarians.

"2) Even if they can perceive pain, plants are actually killed in far greater numbers by meat-eaters, since the animals they eat generally consume vast amounts of plant food. And meat-eaters eat plants as well as meat. About the only thing in a traditional hamburger that is not plant-based is the meat patty itself."

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 3, 2007 10:34 AM

I am sure it is very obvious to all the intelligent people on this blog site - particularly a/r's activists - that the "planet" person has a severe reading comprehension disability, which is evidently conveyed by an array of juvenile, uneducated, misinterpreted and non-applicable responses.

Posted by: Ariel | October 3, 2007 12:22 PM

Ariel, maybe we should tell the "anti's" out there how we actually get a commission for every human we "convert" to vegetarianism... Yep, that's right, the man on the moon pays us every time someone stops eating meat. And by the way, the moon really is made of green (vegan) cheese! LMAO

Posted by: Michele | October 3, 2007 01:22 PM

Right on old spiderwoman. Thats right Factory Farming is the DEVILS PLAYGROUND.

According to GENISIS 1:29,30, the first chapter of the first book of the Bible, it was God's intention that we be Vegans. Every green plant, every tree with fruit, and all vegitation was given to us, both people and animals, for food.

What we eat (take into our temples, our vessels) is of immeasurable importance in the text of the Bible. It is a theme that runs throughout, from start to finish.

It is no accident that the downfall of mankind, the loss of the Garden of Eden, that beautiful utopia happened because someone ate the wrong thing. Then came the curse.
Up to that point, they could not concieve of eating an animal, it was beyond the capabilities of their imaginations.

After the Fall;

God knew the intention of Satan the Devil (that evil genius) so God layed down the law.

LEVITICUS chapter 7

And the Lord said to Moses;
You shall eat no kind of fat, of ox, or of sheep or goat.
The fat of the beast that dies of itself (natural causes) and the fat of the one torn with beasts (slain by another beast) can be put to any other use, but under NO CIRCUMSTANCES are you to eat of it. For whoever eats the fat of the beast from which men offer, an offering made by fire to the Lord, shall be cut off from his people. Moreover, you shall eat no blood of any kind, whether of bird or beast, in any of your dwellings. It goes on to say that, basically, their going to do it anyway and God tells them how to divy it up (apparently that is very important to God) But God then tells them that it is a sin offering, a trespass offering. Satan and his lies from hell convinced them that they wanted to eat the beasts, so I guess they figured they would offer it up to God and it would be OK. Big Mis Stake.

So here we are today; 2007 and the Devil is throwing a party and it's called FACTORY FARMING.

So Mars, Jake if you would like to defy the Army of the Living God, your welcome to try, but when Jesus arrives on his Chariotts (horses). Seeeeeee Ya, wouldn't wanta be ya.

Have a Nice Day!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2007 07:48 PM

Anon, an apple was the downfall wasn't it. If only they'd eaten the snake.

Posted by: rojo | October 4, 2007 01:09 AM

" because someone ate the wrong thing."

Yep, a plant.

Ariel, with all your self proclaimed medical knowledge then you know cholesterol levels in humans are just as much genetic as what food a person eats.Not every vegan has low cholesterol nor does everyone that eats meat have high cholesterol.

Posted by: Mars | October 4, 2007 07:46 AM

Leviticus 7

4And the two kidneys, and the fat that is on them, which is by the flanks, and the caul that is above the liver, with the kidneys, it shall he take away:

5And the priest shall burn them upon the altar for an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a trespass offering.

6Every male among the priests shall eat thereof: it shall be eaten in the holy place: it is most holy.

7As the sin offering is, so is the trespass offering: there is one law for them: the priest that maketh atonement therewith shall have it.

8And the priest that offereth any man's burnt offering, even the priest shall have to himself the skin of the burnt offering which he hath offered.

9And all the meat offering that is baken in the oven, and all that is dressed in the fryingpan, and in the pan, shall be the priest's that offereth it.

Posted by: Mars | October 4, 2007 08:00 AM

It does not matter what behaviours or activities may have been condoned hundreds or thousands of years ago. That is no reason to continue justifying a particular behaviour/activity.

The demand for foie gras is decreasing because as more people realize how horrific the process is for the animals, eating foie gras is becoming much less socially acceptable.

Aside from the animal cruelty issues, I really cannot understand why people would actually want to eat the fatty, diseased livers of these unfortunate animals... It's just gross!

Posted by: Michele | October 4, 2007 10:26 AM

"Cholesterol levels in humans are just as much genetic as what food a person eats."

So, Mars, the corollary to your statement is that the food you eat is just as much responsible for your cholesterol levels as your genetics. Remember the blog about the cop who went vegan and experienced a dramatic drop in his levels.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 4, 2007 10:41 AM

Re: LEVITICUS

As stated in the earlier post, God, grieved and sorrowful, told them how to divy it up. God knew the error that they had fallen into, knew what they were going to do.

The Israelites instinctly knew (as priests unto God) that there was going to be a Blood Sacrifice (Jesus Christ) The Lamb of God. The only sacrificed ever required for the salvation of mankind. The only Holy Sacrifice. But they got it wrong, they were mistaken because of the lies and the confusion that the Satan had placed in their hearts. God did need the spilt blood of animals on the Alter. Afterall God created animals and led them to Adam to give them names (what a blessed day that was) And God saw that it was Good! God loves animals and people equally but God has placed in us special responcibilities to Love and recognize the Goodness of God.

ECCLESIASTEES 3:19

For that which befall the sons of men, befalls beasts; even in the end one thing befalls them both. As one dies, so dies the other. Yes, they all have one breath and spirit, so that MAN HAS NO PREEMINENCE, OVER A BEAST.

The Apple;

When Jesus healed a blind man, he told him to go and rub mud on his eyes and that he would be healed. A parable that doesn't make alot of sense to the natural mind. But it meant alot to that man and something very specific to mankind.
Ashes to ashes and dust to dust. They still weren't getting it.
Open your eyes and see the true knowledge of the God of Love and Mercy. As anyone on this blog will tell you, apart from a few self-confident fools, we do not need to spill the blood of animals to survive.

In the same sense, God could have said to the inhabitants of the Garden of Eden, listen I provided this beautiful paradise for you and all the rivers for you to swim in, or all the mountains for you to climb, but of this river do not swim, or of this mountain do not climb. But NO, God said of this tree of the knowledge of Good and evil, DO NOT EAT

Do you think God just pulled that one out of hat. NO because what we eat is very important. God knew of the atrocities, the abysmal, diabolical cruelty to come from Satan the Devil, that evil genius. And it is the Devils delight that people are gobbling it up on every street corner, every gas station, every shopping mall, wallmart, k-mart, target, ect.ect.ect.ect.
And were exporting too.
Make know mistake this is the table of Satan, what the Devil has to offer and anyone who partakes of this "MEAL OF MISERY" will drink the WRATH OF THE ALMIGHTY.

But as for me, I will fast for my life. It is my wish to dine at the Table of Christ and have the meat the world knows not of, as Jesus famously said.

Mars, Jake I'm not trying to be cute here, although it is tempting to bust balls and smash heads too for the crimes committed against these innocent creatures. I am very sure that no animal ever went near that tree.

Posted by: Kimberly | October 4, 2007 06:05 PM

Old spiderwoman,
YOU RULE!!!!!

MARS, is the type of person that gets kicked off many, many boards.
He has no friends and he is looked upon as a "freak".
I would watch out for Old Spiderwoman or you may lose those tiny little balls and you might find them down your throat.
We will let you stay for alittle while because we want to be here when you finally FLIP out, and be the entertainment for us.
Then we shall party on!!!!!

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter | October 4, 2007 11:22 PM

So what about the cop? One of 300 million is hardly a majority yet the truth remains that he can eat meat and get the same results.They don't like to admit it but vegans have high cholesterol as well.

Posted by: Mars | October 5, 2007 08:38 AM

Mars...

The cholesterol levels of vegans living in Western countries has been measured in 17 studies since 1980. The average cholesterol level of vegans was 160 compared to 202 mg/dl for non-vegetarians.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 5, 2007 10:30 AM

kimberly,
"I am very sure that no animal ever went near that tree."
apart from the snake. How sure?

Posted by: rojo | October 5, 2007 10:57 AM

Yesterday I was distressed that my post did not appear as quickly as I would have liked, to rebut and rebuke the mockers. I went to bed thinking they weren't going to post it; it was too deep, they didn't get it, maybe they thought it was prejudical and I thought to myself, Oh dear what now.
The Christian Community for the most part doesn't except me because I don't eat meat ( and don't sit quiet about it either)
and now
Peta won't post my posts because I'm a Christian (a believer in Christ as the Messiah)

I experienced a moment of extraoridinary lonliness.

I began to pray and immediatly God quickened my heart, I had posted the first post anonymously (unintentional) and the second had to be approved, when I posted it was after 4:00 in Virginia Beach and that they had posted the post of that mocker Mars who wouldn't know manna if it fell on his head.
Joy began to return to my heart and I believe God gave me some revealations that I would like to share with you all:

Moses, for all his efforts and all his usefullness to God was not permitted to enter into the Promise Land.
Why? Because of mispoken words, seriously mispoken words (regarding, I believe this very subject). Which in the text of the Bible, that was translated from tablets that were written aprox. 7000 years ago, was basically a "mistranslation". It wasn't only his misspoken words it was words that were wrongfully written as well. In all likelyhood there was only one word to describe; saying, writing, declaring, they were the same word. Like marriage and making love were the same word. This is very important in the world of faith in a higher power. Thats why Amsterdam requires Muslims (who by the way are smart enough not to eat pork) to take an oath, a written declaration that they are not opposed to the freedoms and liberties that are enjoyed there. It will seriously screw up your faith, if you take an oath to do one thing and do another.

I believe the only thing the Lord said to Moses was under "NO CIRCUMSTANCES ARE YOU TO EAT THE BLOOD OF ANIMALS", afterall, under no circumstances is pretty clear, don't you think?

It was probably because of all the time Moses spent in the house of Pharoah, he was exposed to animal, and human sacrifices to pagen gods. From that, demonic spirits came to him in moments of weakness and/or pride and got him to write the wrong things.

Therefore, I now believe, it is the book of LEVITICUS that alienated Moses from God and deprived him of the right to enter into the Promise Land.

Afterall God did offer Manna from Heaven.

Thanks Peta for delaying that post.

Posted by: Kimberly | October 5, 2007 02:13 PM

Ecclesiastes 3:2-3

2A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

3:19-21

19For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

The Apple

It was not an apple but was a fruit, unknown specie.

Sin came into the world by eating that fruit and not by eating meat.

There where two trees in the Garden mentioned with one being forbidden. The Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Eternal Life.Satan, in the form of an animal, so much for innocence,came near the Tree.The animal was cursed by God to crawl on it's belly.

Genesis 1:26

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:28

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2:9

9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 3:22

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Genesis 3:21

21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Let us not forget that the first vegan murdered his own brother thereby committing the first murder.

Genesis 4:8

8And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Posted by: Mars | October 5, 2007 03:22 PM

"MARS, is the type of person that gets kicked off many, many boards"

Funny, I've yet to be kicked off any board.If many is 0 then I guess your right.

"I would watch out for Old Spiderwoman or you may lose those tiny little balls and you might find them down your throat."

Like I posted, she can always try and she can bring you as back up.FYI, saying you will harm someone is assault and posting it here makes it a felony.

Posted by: Mars | October 5, 2007 03:33 PM

"Why? Because of mispoken words, "

Nope. Moses was forbidden because of disobedience to God in actions concerning striking a rock to get water.

Posted by: Mars | October 6, 2007 06:44 AM

Dominion for dummies;

Dominion to love to charish, to righteously care for, to tend to with loving care, to enjoy. to delight in, to honor and respect.

PROVERBS 12:10

"The RIGHTEOUS MAN regards the life of his beast, but even the tender mercies of the WICKED are cruel"

Your no King Solomen Mars, and it sounds to me like you have about as much insight and revealation into mysteries of God as you do the mysteries of the food that you eat.

When you stand before the judgment seat of God your going to have bigger problems then cholesteral.

Choke on it Mars and go hang yourself.

Posted by: Kimberly | October 6, 2007 02:59 PM

Mars, Mars
It rhymes with Sars

He bit the $hit
He paid the price
He could of had some
spice and rice

Mars, Mars
It rhymes with Sars

They offered him beans
but he had to have meat
at any means

He ate and ate
and met his fate

Mars, Mars
It rhymes with sars

He grew cold and clammy
God had just delivered
A real cool whammy

He barfed and barfed
He made his bed

Pestilence they said
when they found him dead

Mars, Mars
It rhymes with sars

He croaked they joked
this all too fun
God cooked his goose
and now he's done

Posted by: Kimberly | October 6, 2007 09:31 PM