Too bad Poindexter has been ignoring complaints about the dog fighting FOR YEARS and letting it go on.

One reason why dog fighting is getting worse is that AUTHORITIES let it go on- especially in some states, and Virginia is bad!

When the public jumps on them and demands change and exposes it, it will change.

Posted by: kelly | September 25, 2007 04:55 PM

I want to add that the grand jury consisted of two black men, two black women and two white women.

Posted by: Laura | September 25, 2007 05:06 PM

Finally,
Poindexter reacts.
What took him so long?
He already knew how the people felt about this.
Well, I guess better now than never...

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter | September 25, 2007 06:02 PM

Brace yourselves for the return of the pro-Vick posters! I'll have my spellcheck handy...

Posted by: BullyDawg | September 25, 2007 06:06 PM

Sorry, I spoke too soon I did not read the entire letter.
Need to start wearing my glasses.
Poindexter better get his butt in gear.
Makes you wonder about the phrase "DEEP POCKETS."

Maher and Newkirk
2008

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter | September 25, 2007 06:16 PM

Hey BullyDawg...spell check won't be enough, have your handy Ebonics for Dummies book ready

RobinF

Posted by: Robin Frey | September 25, 2007 06:27 PM

If these scum are charged,then it will restore my faith in the USA.. But seeing as they were not charged with cruelty at the federal level, I will not hold my breath for anything happening at the state level. As a Canadian, I find it very odd that your government puts more importance on illegal gambling then it does on the torture and killing of innocent beings.. But then your government also sentences animal rights activists to lengthy prison terms for what they consider acts of terrorism. LOL

Posted by: Kerry H | September 25, 2007 07:24 PM

If these scum are charged,then it will restore my faith in the USA.. But seeing as they were not charged with cruelty at the federal level, I will not hold my breath for anything happening at the state level. As a Canadian, I find it very odd that your government puts more importance on illegal gambling then it does on the torture and killing of innocent beings.. But then your government also sentences animal rights activists to lengthy prison terms for what they consider acts of terrorism. LOL

Posted by: Kerry H | September 25, 2007 07:25 PM

It is about time the Commonwealth of Virginia decided to file state charges on Michael Vick. The more he is punished, the better off the animals will be.

He deserves to be severely punished and never, ever allowed to play football for any NFL team ever again.

Posted by: Brandon Harris | September 25, 2007 08:27 PM

this is crazy... you run to protest for the rights of dogs and congress get involved signing new dogfighting laws. while 6 teens in jena 8th amend. is totally violated and nothing from these same folks. why did i fight in desert storm? what a great america....

Posted by: tony316 | September 26, 2007 01:38 AM

I knew it was only a matter of time before he would face state charges. From many news reports when this first happened reporters and lawyers kept saying the state of Virginia was very harsh on these things. I hope they throw the book at him!!! I am also looking forward to seeing what happens in the federal charges come December....he needs jail time for this. If he really was serious about his apology to young kids and being a bad influence as he stated in his press conference he will have no problem serving jail time to show there are consequences to bad actions. As for the NFL I am still waiting for the complete ban of him to never step on a football field again. It was really bittersweet for me last Sunday me and my husband are huge Carolina Panthers fans, and when they played Atlanta a part of you was pulling for Atlanta because you want these Atlanta Falcons to see that they don’t need a one man show called Michael Vick to win football games.

Posted by: Dana | September 26, 2007 07:51 AM

I don't know it all seems bogus to me. Especially when they are only charging them with one count this, one count that! If nothing happens to these people I hope the life Michael Vick leads will be that of O.J. Simpson, sad and lonely...just like his dogs felt!!

Posted by: Carla | September 26, 2007 11:32 AM

Judith,
Ingrid Newkirk can not be president or vice president. If she is a citizen, she is naturalized. Or her wikipedia entry is incorrect when it states she is British.

Robin,
Isn't racism as bad as speciesm?
I expect your English sounds like the computerized lady on the voicemail.

Kerry,
We are doing fine without your faith.

Posted by: Christopher Cochran MD | September 26, 2007 11:41 AM

Tony316, why did you fight in desert storm?.... hmm, probably because you signed up for the army, I'm guessing? Oh, you were FORCED to sign up? Pressed into service? I don't really care about you and your servitude to the military machine. I am not indebted to you in ANY way. You were not drafted. You signed up, fool. This is not about the Jena 6 -- it's about Michael Vick illegally and cruelly fighting dogs. Please, don't you have some kind of GO ARMY! or GO JENA 6!board you can vent on? Take your tired, old pseudo-arguments elsewhere. Yawn --they're boring.

Posted by: VestaGirl | September 26, 2007 11:48 AM

For the sake of these poor animals write the state prosecutor - Poindexter & Poindexter , P.O. Box 358, Surry Virginia, 23883-0358, attention Gerald G. Poindexter or phone 757-294-3118. The judge will be sentencing Vick in December. Write letters to him as well United States Distict Court, Eastern Virginia, Lewis F. Powell, Jr.,
U.S. Courthouse, 1000 E. Main St., Suite 305, Richmond, Virginia, 23219-3525 or phone 804-916-2200.
There is something very powerful in stacks of mail protesting animal abuse of any kind. Thanks
Marga

Posted by: Marga | September 26, 2007 12:17 PM

well, it's about time! I agree with Dana. Who needs Michael Vick? There are other team members on the Falcons!

Posted by: MeL | September 26, 2007 12:37 PM

I disagree with some things people wrote and I'm sure you will all be open minded enough to see my point of view. I do not believe jail time is a good punishment for dog fighting. I am against any type of jail time for any person who is not a danger to the community. The US leads the world in % population in jail.

I believe people want justice but I ask you does throwing him in jail give you justice? I don't believe so. A person like Vick has an opportunity to truly make a difference. If he is ordered by the court to seek counseling and pay lets say $5-10 million to help animals (either by creating shelters or hospitals). He can then join an animal rights group and be a spokes person for the anti-dogfighting cause.

Posted by: Anthony | September 26, 2007 12:38 PM

i just want to say I don't believe in hate but what you your company does and says about Michael Vick is pushing me towards it. I have never hated a group as much as I hate yours. Instead of worrying about dogs you should worry about humans. there are kids molested, women raped, and humans murdered everyday and none of them get the treatment that you have given Vick. Yet, I guess humans are not as important as your precious dogs. you guys discuss me.

Posted by: lashaun easley | September 26, 2007 12:56 PM

Kerry H

I appreciate your comments and you are right on target. As an American I am ashamed of the legal sysyem being so blatantly biased; there is a distinct one for animal advocates and another one for the average criminal. An animal advocate seeking justice for animals is called by the US government a "terrorist" while the real terrorists are doing anything at will in this country. Women killing their babies get short sentences while compassionate people get draconian sentences that abuse the 8th and 14th amendments. Oh, I get it, it's because it all has to do with money!! AETA is a disgrace and unconstitutional!

I doubt the state's charges will really make a difference; there will be another deal.

BullyDawg

I am waiting for those fools also; at least their ramblings are amusing.

Posted by: Ana | September 26, 2007 01:18 PM

to tony316:
I think the desert storm scattered your brains to the four winds!

Posted by: Old Spiderwoman | September 26, 2007 01:39 PM

As is inevitable, I see more nay-sayers claiming that we cannot care for dogs and speak against dogfighting as long as . While human rights issues are agreeably important, please remember that there are HUNDREDS of organizations which don't benefit human NOR animal interests (companies peddling products, public relations firms, corporate lobbyists, etc). Nobody harasses these entities for their non-involvement in human rights issues -- instead bright individuals such as tony316 entertain themselves by heckling animal rights activists who are at least taking a stand on SOMETHING.

Furthermore, for those demanding that PETA take a stance in political issues such as war, remember that PETA is a tax-exempt nonprofit. By LAW, they are not allowed to weigh in on political issues of that nature. No tax-exempt nonprofit entity is supposed to branch off the nonpartisan path.

Posted by: anti-sean | September 26, 2007 02:02 PM

Tony316, I have also taken up the fight for the Jena 6. This is off-topic, but I want to point out that I think that these teenager's rights are being violated. There is nothing to charge them with and they should be released.

Also, I also want to point out that it is possible to be for animal rights, human rights and social justice all at the same time.

Posted by: Brandon Harris | September 26, 2007 02:35 PM

Kerry H,
You need to tread lightly with what you posted.
Your Country although I like Canada, slaughters how many innocent baby seals each year? and your Goverment will do nothing about it.
Did you also know that because we just closed America's last slaughterhouse for innocent horses your country has just opened it's 4th called, Natural Valley Farms? Your country needs to put more importance on this...
Both of our country's have alot of problems with Animal Welfare, but we are working to stop all cruelty.
Thats why we must stick together.
Judith

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter | September 26, 2007 02:52 PM

Hopefully Michael Vick and his co-horts get what they deserve for brutalizing dogs for so many years. I haven't heard very good things about Prosecutor Poindexter in relation to this case. So let's see if Vick is actually charged by the state. Keeping my fingers crossed.

My boss told me this morning that he saw a story about a townhall meeting in Atlanta, Georgia that had to do with the Vick case. He said that the participants and crowd were very Pro Vick and that the president of the Humane Society of the United States was booed off the stage even before he got to speak. How awful!

Posted by: Veronica Soto | September 26, 2007 03:02 PM

Sorry, it wasn't the president of the HSUS that was booed, it was Jon Goodwin/HSUS. All in all, it's awful that he was booed by that crowd.

Posted by: Veronica Soto | September 26, 2007 03:07 PM

Ha Ha Ha Michael Vick has to be just about as stupid if not more so than OJ. He failed his random drug test. Word to the wise when you are already in trouble stay on the upside of the law................

He is digging himself a bigger hole than any of us ever could...way to go VICK!!!

Posted by: Dana | September 26, 2007 03:26 PM

I think Vick should be thrown in with killer pitbulls with hands and feet tied and see how he likes it

Posted by: Sandy | September 26, 2007 03:43 PM

Vick should have to go threw the same thing his dogs went threw

Posted by: Sandy | September 26, 2007 03:45 PM

I wish that the individuals that are so incensed with people that care about animals would just stop for one moment, take a very deep breath (yes, that includes lashaun easley) and just think about this:

Placing great emphasis on the fact that it's not cool to torture and brutalize animals helps humans as well. And this is because it's a proven fact that individuals that deem it fit to hurt defenseless animals also have a much higher likelihood of doing THE SAME to human beings.

This is why it is so important to teach our youth to be sensitive, kind and responsible toward all, including animals. This helps to lessen the odds of raising heartless people such as Michael Vick (I read an article that quoted Vick's father as saying that as a youngster, Vick would fight dogs in their home's garage).

Hmmm.... Makes one think. So lashaun, don't be hatin'. It's not good for you. :)

Posted by: Veronica Soto | September 26, 2007 04:20 PM

lashaun easley,
you would do better in hating yourself because obviously until now you didn't go out to help the abused humans! instead of insulting peta - which is an animal rights organization - you should make your choice and help the humans! why are you on this blog?

Posted by: captain nemo | September 26, 2007 04:37 PM

Michael Vick should be banned from ever playing professional football ever again.

Posted by: Brandon Harris | September 26, 2007 05:01 PM

I HAVE READ EVERY COMMENT THUS FAR AND FEEL THAT WHILE MANY CONTAIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF VALIDITY, MOST ARE LOOSING SITE OF WHAT IS IMPORTANT. THE CRIME OF DOG FIGHTING WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF IS A HEINOUS BLOOD SPORT BUT PLEASE REMEMBER THE MURDER AND CRUELTY OF UNKNOWN NUMBERS OF DOGS. THAT THE STATE OF VIRGINIA IS ISSUING A ONE COUNT INDICTMENT SHOWS THAT NO IMPORTANCE IS PLACED ON THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS INVOLVED. AND YES, IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HUMANS IT WOULD BE A CHARGE PER HUMAN. WHY SHOULD AN ANIMAL BE LESS IMPORTANT? THEY BREATH, THEY HURT THE SAME AS YOU OR I. YOU CAN LOOK AT MICHAEL VICKS AS THE EVIL MAN HE MAY BE AND WANT THE BOOK THROWN AT HIM BUT IN ESSENCE THIS EPISODE HAS BROUGHT THE SCENES OF DOG FIGHTING TO THE PUBLIC EYE MORE THAN ANYTHING IN THE PAST. TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS AND HELP FUTHER THE CAUSE WE SHOULD EXPECT, NO, DEMAND THAT THE VERDICT INCLUDE MONIES TO GO TO ANIMAL RESCUE/SHELTER/BEHAVIOR ETC AND INVEST OF HIMSELF THE HOURS, NO, YEARS THAT ARE NEEDED TO PROMOTE THESE CAUSES. JAIL TIME WHILE SOME IS WELL DESERVED AND SHOULD BE PART OF THE PUNISHMENT, THAT ALONE WILL NOT HELP THE CAUSE. LOOK BEYOND YOUR SELFISH THOUGHTS; QUIT BICKERING ABOUT OTHER SUBJECTS; AND STAY THE COURSE.....ANIMAL WELFARE. HOW CAN MICHAEL VICKS BETTER SERVE THIS CAUSE?

Posted by: NANCY | September 26, 2007 05:13 PM

I AM OUTRAGED at the Town Hall meeting held by SportsCenter on ESPN last night. THE WHITEWASH IS IN. Where in the world did they get those audience members? Does everyone in Atlanta think it is OK to torture and kill dogs? If you watched last night, then you know that PETA and SPCA were belittled for their actions. As the evening wore on, the panelists -- sensing the mood of the audience -- began to pander to the audience, and the result was that dog fighting was more or less considered "just another cultural difference."

I believe that ESPN should hold A SECOND TOWN HALL MEETING which adequately reflects the views of the majority of Americans who believe that Michael Vick's actions were heinous. At the very least, the town hall meeting should include a true portrait of dog fighting (including the horrific training -- such as placing kittens in front of the dogs to get them to develop a taste for blood!) and that ESPN should really look into the link between dog fighting and NFL players.

What would Goofy think? FORTUNATELY FOR US, ESPN is owned 80% by Disney and 20% by Hearst. If you agree that the owners of ESPN need to force ESPN to do a follow-up with TRUE information on dog fighting and without the Vick apologists, then please contact the following people:

George Bodenheimer
President, ESPN, Inc. &
ABC Sports & Co-Chairman of Disney Media Networks
ESPN New York Executive Offices
77 West 66th Street
New York, NY 10023
212-456-7777
or
ESPN Plaza
Bristol, CT 06010
860-766-2000

Robert I. Iger
President & CEO
The Walt Disney Company
via:
Lowell Singer
818-560-6601
or
Jonathan Friedland
818-560-8306

I'll post additional information when I receive it. I understand that the directors on Disney's board include companies such as Procter & Gamble, etc., and we should put pressure on those folks to make ESPN do a second town hall meeting that is mired in the truth about dog fighting.

We should also start contacting ESPN's sponsors (including Dick's Sporting Goods) to put pressure on them to do something.

IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE SPORTING WORLD WANTS TO WASH ALL OF THIS AWAY AS IF IT NEVER HAPPENED. AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THERE ARE MORE NFL PLAYERS INVOLVED AND THEY DON'T WANT TO GET THOSE PLAYERS IN TROUBLE. IF WE ARE GOING TO STOP DOG FIGHTING, WE HAVE TO DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND NOW. CALL THESE PEOPLE. IF YOU LIVE IN NEW YORK, PICKET THE ESPN OFFICES. WE CANNOT ALLOW THEM TO SWEEP THIS ISSUE UNDER THE RUG!

Posted by: PamW | September 26, 2007 05:59 PM

For all of you who have or will inevitably write "but what about the child molesters, etc?", and for not wanting jail time because he is not a danger to anyone... Besides the whole issue of him having been a very BIG danger to some very unfortunate dogs, he has just tested positive for marijuana and now has a 10PM curfew for breaching his conditions. I would say that a drug user is quite possibly a danger to others, especially if there are still any youngsters out there who may experiment with drugs after learning that their so-called role model uses drugs. Also, given his entrepreneurial leanings, he may be selling drugs too - that's pretty dangerous.

Anyway, bit by bit, Vick will get what he deserves, even if all of the possible charges are not laid against him at the same time. I am sure that more and more people are speaking up about what Vick has done, and are providing more evidence of Vick's horrific crimes.

And please let's stay united against all animal abusers, and support all of those who are speaking up for animals, no matter which country they are from. Let's focus on all of the victories, from all around the world.

Posted by: Michele | September 26, 2007 06:02 PM

Here we go again already lets turn this into the racial divide topic instead of what it really is "ANIMAL CRUELTY"....Do you people think that any of us animal rights activist wanted Michael Vick to do what he did? If you answered yes then you really need research what animal activist are all about!!!!!!!! This is not a racial issue the Jena 6 case is not about animals therefore it should not be even brought into here. Do I agree with the actions of some of the people in that situation NO, but this is the PETA website!!!!!!!! It is not about Human rights, or Human welfare it is about the ANIMALS... I will say this if people would spend as much time trying to close the racial divide as they do trying to enforce it the world would be a Much better place!! I do not care the color of your skin it is the person inside that I am concerned with. Humans in general that treat animals like Vick has done or any other persons guilty of animal cruelty are flat out worthless human beings in my mind. Yes Vick needs to go through counciling, and he also needs to work hard to rectify what he has done...BUT he also needs to pay the consequences of his actions. Now tell me this if you really think that he cares about his career and image why would he still be trying to ruin it by falling a drug test? I do agree that alcohol is more toxic than marijuana, but one is illegal the other is not so why on earth when you are in his position would you even think of continuing to do illegal things? My theory is he still thinks he is above the law...and can buy his way out of anything!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Dana | September 26, 2007 06:06 PM

Hey: "lashaun easley" ... I don't think anybody here has "discuss"ed you. I think, perhaps, you're off topic. What's that? Oh, your remedial education forced you to write "discuss" and not "disgust"! Yeah, I'm pretty disgusted with your ignorance, as well. Bye-bye. Now get back to work at your KFC job. In the meantime, I'll continue to laugh and smile when considering Vick's downfall. Ha-ha-ha. Yours, LaVesta Mercedes LaGirl

Posted by: VestaGirl | September 26, 2007 06:34 PM

Veronica, keep in mind that Georgia is one of the hotbeds for dog fighting. There are families there that have been breeding and fighting dogs for generations.

It is often authority figures (like sheriffs and mayorsa and cops and morte) that are involved in dog fighting in Georgia.

They want to keep their backwards activities to themselves, and so a lot of them hate humane organizations of all kinds.

Plus there are some pitful people that care about nothing on earth but sports, and if a team is winning. They wouldn't care if Vick killed their grandma! they'd let him play.

Posted by: kelly | September 26, 2007 06:53 PM

To Christopher Cochran "MD"
Thanks for letting us know of your professional status, it certainly will validate your superior intellect. Regarding racism/speciesm comment: I do not regard humans as superior to animals in the order of species. Actually until animals can lie, cheat, steal and murder under the pretext of "war" I would consider them a level above us in the food chain. I do not agree with pulling the race card on Vick. Doesn't matter that he's an Afro American. He'a a criminal abusing and torturing defenseless dogs for fun. Probably high while he's doing it. On the contrary, racism is exploited when his supporters believe he's being persecuted because he is black. I do find the "pro Vicksters" very amusing. Can't wait to hear from them

Posted by: RobinF | September 26, 2007 07:11 PM

Vick will wear a 'scarlet letter' on his NFL jersey for the rest of his life on earth.
To date, he has offered no
contrition for his evil deeds.

Posted by: Jo Ellen Davey Cohen | September 26, 2007 08:01 PM

Judith,

You're certainly correct that are hands are far from blood-free here in Canada.

Have you heard that the Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans is proposing some amendments to the absurdly-named Seal Protection Regulations? They are trying to block (starting in the 2008 "hunt") ALL independent observation, thus allowing sealers to massacre baby seals with total impunity. And, of course, effectively muzzling the media and free speech.

One of the Marine Mammal Regulations states:

Every person who strikes a seal with a club or hakapik shall strike the seal on the forehead until its skull has been crushed and shall manually check the skull, or administer a blinking reflex test, to confirm that the seal is dead before proceeding to strike another
seal.

How many sealers will feel they have to abide by that regulation (if they did at all in the past), or any other one, now?

Please send your comments regarding the proposed regulatory amendments to srrercp@dfo-mpo.gc.ca

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | September 26, 2007 08:37 PM

Lets face the facts, what Vick did was wrong but how wrong? We need to remember these are just animals not people. Yes they shouldn't be treated badly without a cause but we cannot hold people accountable to the same level as crimes against human beings. If anyone reads between the lines, Vick is more worried about his possible "gambling" connection than the actual dogfighting. This site is so far biased and far from reality that it is ridiculous.

Posted by: Realistic View | September 26, 2007 09:56 PM

For anyone who defends Vick, shame on them. I fight for human causes as equally as I do for human causes. I guarantee that most who post to personally attack people who fight for animal rights do absolutely nothing for human rights. Not only am I a member of PETA, I am also a member of the Genocide Intervention Network as well. I spent 2 years of my collegiate career conducting behavioral and molecular research pertaining to Alzheimer's Disease research and will continue on in PUBLIC HEALTH with a concentration in COMMUNITY ORIENTED PRIMARY CARE, which will focus on fighting epidemics in under-served populations. PETA is one of the few organizations that advocates sound and long-term nutritional lifestyles that will not only save the environment, humans, and animals, but will save our entire existence. Before anyone attacks this organization for its focus on animal rights, ask yourself what kind of compassion have you expressed for your fellow humans. Get off your butt, get away from the television, and entertain yourself with the adventure of saving our existence.

Posted by: Michael | September 26, 2007 09:56 PM

VestaGirl: I thought it was to uphold the constitution and the defend the weak like yourself who sitting in your trailer being brave behind your computer. You so caught up in hate that common sense and liberty has escape your foolish mind. Tell Joshua Jr who was born yesterday and his father was killed today in Iraq your thoughts.

Posted by: tony316 | September 27, 2007 12:12 AM

tony316: Again, you are completely off topic (and predictable). This is about animal rights/issues. BTW, for some crazy reason I thought Desert Storm was 17 years ago?!?! Looks like somebody (i.e. YOU) is living in the past with archaic values and notions esp. with regard to animal rights/issues. And thanks, but no thanks, for sharing your legal expertise here. As for me, I already have a law degree. For you ... it might be time to consider further education of some kind -- how about getting your GED!?! Or did you pick that up in prison, already? All the best, VestaGirl

Posted by: VestaGirl | September 27, 2007 11:11 AM

RobinF... race card what is truly amazing is the true problem lay asleep inside of you. We all have our problems that we battle each day. No one is perfect and we are only here for a little while. My pet is a member of my family. I stop supporting the local organizations after all this drama with Vick. These organization are making profit hand over feet. Where is the money going? the shelters are still run down, stacks of waste sitting in cages in some cases all day. visit some of these places and tell the true.

Posted by: tony316 | September 27, 2007 12:13 PM

Realistic View,

The FBI and other police organizations do not hold your "realistic" view. Cruelty to animals is regarded by them as (and is, in fact) a very strong predictor of violent aggression against humans. Your view is the one that is far from reality.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | September 27, 2007 12:18 PM

ANTHONY: Grow up...you can care about humans AND animals. How you treat one, says a lot about the other. Buy my music CD and think about it:
www.vegantunes.com

Posted by: Anonymous | September 27, 2007 12:32 PM

Mike Quinoa writes:
The FBI and other police organizations do not hold your "realistic" view. Cruelty to animals is regarded by them as (and is, in fact) a very strong predictor of violent aggression against humans. Your view is the one that is far from reality.

Right on! Very well said!

Posted by: V. Soto | September 27, 2007 03:00 PM

VestaGirl: There you go assuming again. Law degree, GED I just don't understand trailer park. And by the way I was a pilot in the Air Force. You answered me a question that's what started this dialog.

Posted by: tony316 | September 27, 2007 04:18 PM

Mike,
Very well put.
If Realistic View would read a little bit about how the F.B.I. profiles a serial killer, 9 times out of ten they started on animals first.

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter | September 27, 2007 04:33 PM

I agree with Brandon Harris.
Animal rights are important and Michael Vick should be required to pay for his crimes.
AND
The Jena 6 issue is important, too.
For those of you who keep throwing pot-shots back and forth about whether or not animals are more important than humans or humans are more important than animals, why can't we go with BOTH being important. ALL rights can be respected, animal AND human, if we just try a little harder.
However, THIS IS PETA, an animal rights site, so if there's a lot of passionate opinion about the animals, that might explain why. (DUH?)

Posted by: Susannah S | September 27, 2007 04:39 PM

VestaGirl

You rock!!! Your comments are right on target! I really enjoy reading them. Keep fighting the good fight!

Mike Quinoa

Always enjoy reading your intelligent comments.

Posted by: Ana | September 27, 2007 04:46 PM

I totally agree with brandon I was upset with the fact that they only held one count indictment against vick, but it truley has opened the eyes of the public and to the NFL. They should never let him play again and i do think that he should get up to 10 yrs at least. Dogs or any kind animal for that matter should always be looked at as a joy to this earth. There are so many beautiful creatures that rome the world that are now becoming closer and closer to extinction
b/c of the human race.It truley is a very sad thought.

Posted by: Ashley Robnett | September 27, 2007 05:12 PM

to: tony316

i agree with you, why did you fight in the desert storm, i wouldn't fight for this country the usa if they put george the evil bush on the front line.

this has nothing to do with a vicous breed of dogs, it has to do with m. vick being a black man leading a football team in the south, where they dont want a black man to be anything but a uncle tom n.

to marga and mel,

who needs vick? i know the atlanta falcons need him if they think they are going to go anywhere with what they got. believe it

i hope that all of you that wants to see m. vick fall, i hope whatever you wish on him happens to you triple-fold.

Posted by: peta-pan | September 27, 2007 05:24 PM

To the,
FAUX DR. and the
FAUX PILOT,
Yike's you two sound like terrorists.
Both of you need to start your own forum and be good little boys and go away.
This forum is for the GOOD and DECENT people who love and respect animals.
Not terrorists.....

Au Revoir

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter | September 27, 2007 06:55 PM

To Tony 316
Was that your SAT score? Sorry but I didn't quite understand your comment to me. At least peta-pan can relate. You two should hook up. Meeting of the minds.

Posted by: RobinF | September 27, 2007 08:08 PM

RobinF, I think "Tony 316"'s SAT score was 316 :)) (or perhaps I am over-estimating his abilities)

Mike, RobinF, VestaGirl, Judith, Brandon, Susannah S, Nancy, Dana, kelly, BullyDawg, Kerry H, Veronica Soto, etc, etc, etc. You all rock! So does PETA for its continued pressure on all of the individuals and companies who were paying/endorsing Vick or silently allowing his activities to continue.

Vick is a pathetic excuse for a human being. In 5, 10 or 20 years, no one will remember him for his athletic abilities - he will always be known as that loser who tortured animals.

Posted by: Michele | September 27, 2007 10:08 PM

RobinF: what with the SAT score comment? Air Force Academy Grad. need I say more. You are so full of hate and stupidity that you naturally assume everyone of color to be uneducated. Just keep replying before long the "n" word will start flying.What's your problem?? over eating??? husband left you and now you are married to dogs and cats???

Posted by: tony316 | September 27, 2007 10:48 PM

In the Atlanta townhall meeting that was aired on ESPN,unfortunately Michael Vick had so many supporters because he is from Atlanta. Barry Bonds,an alleged steroid user,has many supporters in San Francisco where he plays,but he is booed everywhere outside of his hometown.Vick will have many supporters in Atlanta, but outside of his city he is known as the cowardly murderous convicted felon that he is. And I do strongly agree with the factual connection between human abusers and animal abusers.This is a proven fact.

Posted by: norma s. | September 28, 2007 01:35 AM

Vick tested positive on Sept.13th(what an idiot)for marijuana use. Regardless of social issues, such as marijuana being illegal, dogfighting unfortunately is more accepted in lower class non educated communities. Vick knew dogfighting was illegal because he denied being involved w/it in any way. If he had no idea about it being illegal he would have admitted his wrong doings right away when he was first questioned by the Falcons owner and the NFL commissioner. He cannot use the,"I didn't know," excuse. When the horrendous truth broke out in the media about his premeditated dogfighting torture operation he said in a egotistical way (and this is him speaking,)"Michael Vick will always be supported no matter what he does.The world loves Vick. He can do no wrong." Apparently he thought he was invincible which is pretty funny because his $130million contract he had w/ the Falcons was taken away. Nike dropped him,the Falcons owner who once esteemed Vick has no respect for him, and so on. I really do hope he gets what he deserves. In order for this to happen, letters need to be written, emails need to be sent, phonecalls need to be made. Thank you Marge for putting up the address where letters need to be written to the judge who will be sentencing Vick in December.

Posted by: Norma S. | September 28, 2007 02:30 PM

I am not here to demean anyone's military service, IQ, race, education, culture, or right to hold an opinion. Sniping at each other about ebonics and trailers doesn't seem productive.

I am here to discuss Vick's actions and the consequences of those actions. This is a PETA board.

I don't lose ferver for what I believe in because someone else tells me that other causes are more important. This is the cause of my heart. I can't take up every cause and be effective, and I choose this one with apologies to no one.

Please, take up the causes of humanitarian rights that are important to you and work hard to affect change!

I don't care if the Atlanta Falcons "go anywhere" but I don't do hit-and-runs on your football discussion boards.

Vick tortured and killed sentient beings for so-called amusement, not by having a vet put them down (which would be awful enough), but with his own hands using a variety of horrendous methods.

He belongs in jail. He is a dangerous man who lacks respect for life.

I don't trust Vick's contrition at this point. I am sure he wishes he hadn't messed up his career, but I don't believe that a person who recently slammed an innocent dog to the ground over and over has made such a dramatic turnaround already. The best measure of future behavior is past behavior.

So he made statements condemning cruelty; to kids especially, actions speak louder than words. I think the action of jailing Vick would speak pretty loudly about refusal to tolerate cruelty.

Posted by: Karen | September 28, 2007 03:57 PM

norma.. Atlanta is not Vick's hometown. Just for your important Vick's jersey was the number one sold jersey for 5 yrs. Vick generated the most sellout over the last 5 years. Vick sneakers guess what number one. So to say elsewhere he would be booed is incorrect.The Georgia Dome season tix holders 80% of 72,000 are people of color. If we don't show up the Dome is empty. I don't see PETA helping the Falcons only running them out of town.

Posted by: tony316 | September 28, 2007 06:23 PM

I feel the need to write this again... To those who were wondering why did the Atlanta townhall meeting have so many Vick supporters it is because he played in that city. Simple as that!!! I have followed this story since it first came out and have found that dogfighting is more accepted in lower class noneducated communities. I don't care if anyone gets offended by that fact.That's the reality about it and I'm sticking to it!! Thanks to everyone who has written your letters and made your phone calls to,as Peta says,SACK VICK!!!!!!!! Posted from someone who is an animal rights activist. Oh yeah, by the way, you can be for animals rights as well as for human rights at the same time! Just because someone is passionate about defending those that can't defend themselves(animals) does not mean they are not also involved in children/domestic abuse causes as well. I am writing this to you Lashaun Easley. Anyway,Peta supporters, keep up the fight for animals!!!

Posted by: Norma S. | September 28, 2007 06:57 PM

To Tony316. If you do not wish to be direspected then do not attack others. You continue to feel the need to let us know you were a pilot in the Air Force. If its true may I commend you for serving your country. However, it does not take a college degree, or even GED to understand the crime committed by your Falcons hero. Keep in mind that along with him, there are many other NFL and pro sports players who are involved with professional dog fighting and yes I PRAY that every one of them white, black whatever they may be are brought out by this. No one, in Gods name has the right to inflict pain, torture and death on these creatures. They bring us comfort and great joy. The sad reality here is that you just can't understand. So I will not address any more comments to you. And FYI, I am not fat, in fact I am a personal trainer, and am happily married. Still think its okay for you to stereotype others?? Remember that most of us here have been deeply disturbed by this cowards behavior. He has been given every opportunity in life, more than he deserves, more than most people will ever get. If anything good comes out of this it is the hope that now some dogs will be spared this pain. I think your on here because you've got nothing better to do. Take the time to go back and read your comments. Really READ your comments. Get it?

Posted by: RobinF | September 28, 2007 10:25 PM

Michele..sorry but Vick holds a NFL record for most yards rushing by a QB what does this mean he will always be remember.

norma.. you write: I do strongly agree with the factual connection between human abusers and animal abusers.This is a proven fact.
you sound like someone with alot of experience..

also you write: I don't care if anyone gets offended by that fact. where is your proof?

Posted by: tony316 | September 29, 2007 12:06 AM

Tony 316, This is not about how many TD passes Vick threw, or his time and date of birth, this is about the consequences of his actions. The only reason Vick would draw a crowd now is so fans could protest and boo him. Vick's Nike shoe and #1 jersey only sold because people did not know the truth about him. People now know what kind of murderer he is and won't ever support him. PETA does not need to help a billion dollar organization (the NFL like you said) when that organization doesn't have anything to do with animal rights. For those of you who say that instead of worrying about dogs, we should worry about kids being molested,women getting raped,and humans being murdered . Well, haven't you stopped to think that the ones doing these horrible crimes to humans are very likely the very same ones who started their crimes w/ poor defenseless animals?!? I will never stop pointing out the very strong connection between animal abusers and human killers!!

Posted by: Norma S. | September 29, 2007 02:03 AM

Where is Vicks dog named "Jane?" You know the pretty girl that won him and his thugs lots of money on her great fights....Well she is in a morgue dead at the hands of these people....However, keep your eyes open as someone is missing 2 digits to their finger....We know its not Vick as he has proceeded to flip off the American People a few times....
Think of the cruelty "Jane" suffered as the vet said her stomach showed in an x-ray 2 digits to someones fingers, which most likely happened as she was being murdered.....She was so afraid of who was killing her that she fought back.....good for her!! Maybe she was one of the dogs that survived the hanging to be brutally murdered so bit a finger off of someone....whatever happened to her was traumatic, as dogs who are loved don't do this. The least this azzhole could have done was keep his winning dog alive as geez it kept his thug friends having an income......Real sick individuals, and remember "Jane" she was a true "Grand Champion!"

Posted by: Lesa | September 29, 2007 03:44 AM

All jokes aside, Murder is the illegal killing of one human being by another.

What you doing here is expressing hate but you can not see it.

Revenge (also vengeance, retribution, or vendetta amongst others) consists primarily of retaliation against a person or group in response to a perceived wrongdoing. Although many aspects of revenge resemble or echo the concept of justice, revenge usually has a more injurious than harmonious goal. The goal of revenge usually consists of forcing the perceived wrongdoer to suffer the same pain that was originally inflicted.

Now,forgiveness is your unilateral decision to let go of the hate. Reconciliation is a step beyond forgiveness and it requires a change within someone else; reconciliation must be bilateral. Reconciliation requires that both sides agree on the facts, the hurt, and the motivation, so that each can understand the other's point of view.

Maybe one day you will see my point. My layover is over now it's back to the real world. Good Luck and God Bless.

Posted by: tony316 | September 29, 2007 09:57 AM

TO TONY316: I DIDN'T SAY ATLANTA WAS VICK'S BIRTHPLACE. IT IS WHERE HE PLAYED PROFFESSIONAL FOOTBALL FOR 6 YEARS, SO HE IS ASSOCIATED WITH ATLANTA. EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT WHY VICK HAD MANY SUPPORTERS IN THAT TOWNHALL MEETING IS ACCURATE. QUIT MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIM. HOW DO I KNOW WHERE DOGFIGHTING IS MORE ACCEPTED IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE SOUTH YOU ASK? A FRIEND OF MINE AND HIS FAMILY MOVED FROM THAT CERTAIN COMMUNITY A FEW YEARS AGO. RESEARCH THAT I DID BACKS THAT UP AS WELL. LOOK IT UP, YOU'LL SEE. WHERE IS MY PROOF OF THE ANIMAL/HUMAN ABUSE LINK? THE PSYCHIATRY EVALUATIONS OF MURDERERS,HUMAN TORTURERS, ETC. LOOK THAT UP AS WELL. TONY316,I WILL NEVER SEE YOUR RESPONSE BECAUSE I WILL NEVER LOG INTO THIS BLOG AGAIN. EYE FOR AN EYE... KARMA!!! I HOPE A REAL FALCON CLAWS OUT MICHAEL VICK'S EYES. SUPPORT PETA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Norma S. | September 29, 2007 01:23 PM

In 1800’s the Staffordshire Bull terrier was developed and modern dog-fighting was born. The dog was brought to America in 1817 and dog fighting became part of American culture. The “sport” was endorsed by the United Kennel Club, which actually formulated rules and sanctioned referees. Although dog fighting had become illegal in most states by the 1860’s, it continued to flourish as an American pastime through the early twentieth century. It was so popular in fact that in 1881 the Ohio and Mississippi railroads advertised special fares to a dog-fight in Louisville between Lloyd’s Pilot, owned by ‘Cockney Charlie' Lloyd and Crib, owned by Louis Krieger. Public forums such as Kit Burns’ Tavern, “The Sportsman’s Hall” at 273 Water Street in Manhattan, regularly hosted matches and the sadistic culture became immortalized in the annals of American history and folklore. By the 1930’s and 1940’s, the blood sport had been driven further underground as high profile organizations such as the United Kennel Club withdrew their endorsement. Although dog fighting was outlawed in all the states by 1976, it did not begin to receive serious law enforcement attention until recently.

Today Dog fighting occurs all over the United States and throughout the world. In 2003, the city of Chicago alone recorded and responded to 1093 animal fighting complaints. The culture of dog fighting is as diverse as America itself. Dogfighters come from virtually all walks of life and engage in the blood sport at vastly different levels. Some fighters operate on a national or even international level within highly clandestine networks. These fighters are professionals that breed generations of skilled “game dogs," take a great deal of pride in the lineage of their dogs and charge tremendous stud fees to breed their champions.

The majority of recorded Murders were crime of passion. No direct data to support your theory violent against animal relates to violent against humans.

As I said before and your comments echo this is about hate. I hope you don’t have children so the breed of this type of foolish can stop with you. As everyone can see no supportive data just repeating junk someone else told them.

Posted by: Tony316 | September 30, 2007 11:39 AM

tony316 ... we're still waiting for your SAT score! Perhaps you can google the meaning of SAT... As ever, your ramblings are not only moronic, but amusing. Esp. your last sentence "As everyone can see no supportive data just repeating junk someone else told them" ... uh, looks like you're doing exactly that vis-a-vis your plagiaristic (ooh, big word - sorry!) ramblings comprising the bulk of your post. Yawn.

As an aside, as ever, please consider enrolling in a basic English grammar classes... you could learn a lot and it will help you communicate more effectively with your parole officer, too. And save your sermons (blah-blah-blah) for your dog-fighting friends.

Now then, why don't you just fly to the moon or something -- 'cause you're an astronaut, too, right?!?!

Let's designate sad, little tony316 as persona non grata (don't worry, he won't know what that means!) What an ignorant loser.
Kudos to all Anti-Dogfighters posting here. All of us know that Michael Vick is a sadistic criminal who committed horrendous acts of violence against innocent animals. And now he has to face the legal consequences. This is indeed a victory. Keep up the fantastic work, PETA!

Posted by: VestaGirl | October 1, 2007 12:04 PM

Tony 316 said, "No direct data to support your theory violent against animal relates to violent against humans."

Arson and cruelty to animals are two of three childhood warning signs regarding the 
potential to be a serial killer. -- John Douglas, profiler of serial killers for the FBI.

The FBI documented the connection between cruelty to animals and serial murder following a study of 35 imprisoned serial murderers... More than half of the serial murderers admitted to hurting or torturing animals as children and adolescents.

A study by the International Journal for the Study of Animal Problems found that 83 percent of households with animal cruelty also have violence against people. This is not activity to be taken lightly. Famous animal abusers include: Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Son of Sam, the Boston Strangler, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | October 1, 2007 12:27 PM

I seem to recall several posts over the past few months regarding Mike Vick and how he would basically get what he deserved, karma, etc.

Well, today I just learned that a Canadian bank is suing him for defaulting on a 2.5 million dollar loan. Ha ha! So now he will be looking forward to at least some jail time, he cannot play his beloved football, he has to deal with his latest dog fighting charges (and there will be more, I am certain of it), he has to deal with being caught using marijuana, and now he is being squeezed financially (and somehow I think this is also just the beginning of his financial woes).

He has got to be one of the biggest losers of all time, and now he is definitely getting what has been coming to him for some time. Jerk!

Posted by: Michele | October 1, 2007 08:13 PM

okay kibbles and bits fans.. majority is beyond 6 examples just read some of your foolishness..Revenge is hate and Vestagirl live beyond the trailer park. SAT score, grammar try getting out of the mindset that you are smart..haha Because you aren't.. keep writing so we can read more HATE mail. Go ahead call me the "n" word.. i know you want too. don't jump off your trailer when Vick does not get death row..hahaha

Posted by: tony316 | October 2, 2007 07:28 PM

I hope they make an example out of Michael Vick and he gets the maximum sentence, and is banned for LIFE from playing football! He is scum and that's all there is to it! He is already in so much trouble with the law, and then he fails the drug test?? How stupid is he?? And I don't want to hear him whining about how he had a tough childhood, boo, hoo! A lot of people have it tough and they don't go around abusing animals and acting like a common thug, so spare me! He deserves to have everything taken away and destroyed!

Also, to some of the posters here, please either use spell check or proof your post! Your errors really show your intelligence level!

Posted by: Lisa Carter | October 2, 2007 08:46 PM

tony316, I cannot even understand your post, because you apparently do not know how to use punctuation or even basic grammatical structure.

Do you think Mike Vick is a good person?

Do you think it's okay to use dogs for fighting?

Do you think it's okay to use marijuana (and I am not talking about using it for medicinal purposes)?

Do you think Mike Vick is the kind of person children should be using as a role model?

Do you think people who have been convicted of serious crimes should get off with a light sentence?

When you answer, tony316, please endeavour to use complete sentences so that we have at least a remote idea of what you are attempting to impart to us.

Posted by: Michele | October 2, 2007 11:28 PM

number one this is a blog not english class. basic mediation and dispute resolution rules state individuals with no real position will attempt personal attacks.

Do you think Mike Vick is a good person?

i dont know michael vick personally to make a fair judgement. i'm aware of his foundation doing work in va. and ga. over $80,000 between jan.& june of 2006, his personal donation during va.tech incident, rural area kids being offered reason after school opportunities and some work in third world countries.

Do you think it's okay to use dogs for fighting?

no, i do not

Do you think it's okay to use marijuana (and I am not talking about using it for medicinal purposes)?

i'm against the use of any illegal substances.

Do you think Mike Vick is the kind of person children should be using as a role model?

no, my heroes were my parents and throughout life that has never changed. vick is a player in a pro sport that does not make him everyones role model. parents should guide childern not individuals they have never met.

Do you think people who have been convicted of serious crimes should get off with a light sentence?

vick has sentencing guideline and should be treated like anyone else in the same situation. vick or anyone should not be punished beyond what is written max 5 yrs and $250,000 fine.

Now, answer my questions.

Do you think Revenge is a form of hate?

What would you like to see Vick get in this case?

Posted by: tony316 | October 3, 2007 08:36 PM

tony, tony, tony, tony, TONY!

a little altruistic consideration here, please.

basic mediation and dispute resolution rules of engagement do not necessarily apply to wellmeaning people sharing opinions and information which is generally the case here in this type of forum and you know it.
hypocritically, your real intent in bringing that up was in itself a personal attack
to discredit those wellmeaning people and you know it.

so save the sarcasm for the trolls who litter these files with their vile invectives
and ignorant rants.

oh, re "not an english class," are you kidding me?! your sarcasm speaks volumes and yet you expect others to appreciate your "positions"?
I for one can't get past your arrogance!

so spare us the lame excuses for your incoherent, grammatically slaughtered ramblings. facts are good, credibility, best.

FYI if you would take the time to read the many posts throughout the archives you would already know the positions of the very people you are attacking for not making their positions known.

Posted by: 007 | October 6, 2007 12:21 PM

“When men are most sure and arrogant they are commonly most mistaken, giving views to passion without that proper deliberation which alone can secure them from the grossest absurdities” David Hume

Your evidence is inaccurate, sub-standard and widely rejected. Your writers continue to propagate assertions, myths and rumors with the aim of inciting others to distrust and hate Michael Vick and people of color. And so much for being intelligent most of the posters think politics are separate from animal issues. They think they can save and help animals without politics. Unfortunately, they would be wrong. Policy is how we get things done in a democracy. So if you refuse to acknowledge policy, you’re essentially refusing to help animals and further enabling the forces that threaten animals.

I consider revenge to be the hurting of a person (physically or mentally) for the purpose of only satisfying a want. I think this is wrong. This is not intended as a personal attack on PETA, but I encourage you to seek therapy rather then revenge. I would rather have society set up therapy centers than electrocutions to help people through their bouts of negative reciprocity.

"those wellmeaning people” the same who preach hate and harm???? Give me a break!

Posted by: tony316 | October 11, 2007 10:08 AM

Well, this has not just started. Dog fighting has been going on for years. The movie "White Fang" was just a sypnosis of this type of immoral behavior. As far as the prosecutor goes, he is just trying to make a name for himself. In the latest news, sheriff Frank Casell (White) who was an ex state trooper was charged with racketeering, operating an illegal drug operation, conspiracy, and Fraud. He put confiscated drugs from drug busts back in the community and had half of the sheriff department of Henry County, Va involved. However, my point is this: They gave him 8 months in a federal prison and the State of Virginia did not even press Charges. I guess he was one of the good old boys. In contrast, Micheal Vick is a young man with his whole future ahead of him and people want him to lose everything he got over a Dog! What is this world coming too? I wonder how many lives were lost behind drugs last year, or how many drug dealers got busted that got more than eight years vs eight months-- after sheriff Frank Cassel and his boys arrested them. I tell you what happened; the vast majority of them was Black and they got the key thrown away at them. I say Vick should be punished but not finished.

Posted by: Danny Totten | November 1, 2007 02:27 AM

I hope the real tuff guys in jail have some fun with Vick. Let's just see who's stocking is getting stuffed for Christmas this year. I am an NFL lover and attend the Church of the NFL on most Sundays, but not this year since the NFL has not yet given him the never come back boot in the >>>>>

Posted by: STL STEVE | November 14, 2007 01:38 AM

PETA NEEDS TO SHUT UP..."THIS IS NOT A RACE ISSUE" PLEASE THIS IS THE MOST RACIST THING EVER... IF ANIMAL CRUELTY IS SUCH A PROBLEM WHY NOT PROTEST ESPN DEER HUNTING IS A SPORT ON ESPN EVERY MORNIN..BUT WHAT DO WE HERE PETA SAY ABOUT THA??? NADA.. JUS BECAUSE ITS SOMTHING THAT WHITE PEOPLE DO ITS ACCEPTABLE..BUT BEACAUSE DOGH FIGHTING IS "URBAN" BETTA KNOWN AS BLACK VICK SHOULD DO HARD TIME LOL ITS CRAZY WHY VICK WHY NOT PROTEST OUTSIDE OF EBVERY MCDONALDS BURGER KING AND KFC IN AMERICA BETTER YET THE WORLD...EVERYBODY SO QUICK TO JUDGE WHILE THERE WHIPING STEAK SAUCE AND CHICKEN GREASE OFF THAIR FACE OF COURSE DOG FIGHTING ISNT RIGHT BUT IN A WORLD WERE EVERBODY EATING OR KILLING ANIMALS (SIMPLIFIED "WRONG" THEN YOUR ASKING HIM TO BE A SAINT WHENS HE'S JUS A NORMAL MAN.... NANCY GRACE AND EVERY BODY ELSE SAYS HE SHOULD DO HARD TIME WHENS SHE LOOKS LIKE HE JUS UCKED DOWN A WHOLE COW..HAVE ANY OF U EVER BEEN TO JAIL DO U KNOW WHAT PRISON IS LIKE ??? AND YOUR SAYEN HE SHOULD DO 5 YEARS LOL AND HE'S THE HORRIBLE PERSON LOL BY PEOPLE SAYING THAT SHOWZ MORE ABOT THEM THAN HIM RACIST VICK HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING BAD IN THIS LEAGUE BEFROE THIS NOW HE A THUG WIT A BAD ATTITUDE THATS RACIST...CAUSE IF PAYTON MANNING WOULD HAVE DONE THIS HE WOULDNT HAVE BENN LABELED A THUG...WHEN HE HAS NO PREVIOUS RECORD BUT VICK DOESNT EITHER BUT JUS BECAUSE VICKS BLACK PEOPLE JUSTIFY IT...

Posted by: YYPTU@YAHOO.COM | November 16, 2007 01:46 PM

I dont get why nobody is seeing the BIGGER PICTURE here. This seems to be about one bad celebrity guy and that automatically lumps the felony in with entertainment. I tried to find statistics on how many people have been indicted and charged with the same grievous actions... still searching....

Posted by: Judy | December 10, 2007 11:58 AM

some people make unbelievable comment which is so...arrgghh!!
Fight for what you believe in..if starvation is important to you, go to a starvation website. no one says you're wrong,we're on animals forum, so we talk bout animals, just like you dont expect us talkin bout latest fashion???
if you dont love dogs, you can still look at the bigger picture!! IT IS NOT JUST BOUT KILLING DOGS, IT IS KILLING AND TORTURING OTHER LIVING BEING!!

Posted by: amy | December 10, 2007 08:36 PM

STL STEVE
First of all Peyton Manning did not fight the dogs and brutally kill them for not being good enough. Killing them more brutal then we do our convicted murderers and rapist. Sheesh we put them to sleep peacefully. However Michael Vick Did this, putting him on the Hot Seat and he happens to be Black. We can’t put a white person there unless he does this or gets caught at it, and I am certain there are whites that do this. I would love to see them caught and prosecuted too. However any time that a high profile black gets caught at something illegal, anyone that is against them is racist. To me the people calling them racist is the actual person being racist. My self I believe that all people are created equal under god. It is how they handle themselves through life is what is important. I myself do not care too much for the Deer Hunting either, however since the beginning of time; man has had to kill for food. I can’t much tell you that I agree with that, and I don’t care for deer meat. I have always had a compassion for the short life of cows too, however I do eat meat. I have however stood up against these veal farmers, which are white for the cruelty to calves. You call this urban I call this choices. America is a land of opportunity, all it takes is action and one can change their lifestyles. Those who choose to get their ego from being Urban as you call it. By dealing drugs, killing each other, running prostitution that is the choice they made. If I don’t agree with it does not make me racist, because these are not only blacks they are all races combined and I do not care to have anything to do with any of them. The Bottom line is if you do the crime, you must be able to do the time. Now you tell me that you would want your kids to look up to someone Like Vick now. My Grandson idolized him until this. What an example he set for America youth. Pro Athletes get paid a lot of money to be professionals; they need to start acting like a profession on and off the field. They are the ones who made the choice to be professional and in the lime light. Being paid millions is not the only responsibility of professional athletes; they are role models and should conduct themselves in that matter. They can make a difference in generations to come. The NFL and NBA need to get like NASCAR, These athletes (which they are) are forced to own up for their actions on or off the track. They will get a major fine just for saying a four letter word. Nascar knows that these drivers are in the limelight. Just thought I should vent a little about all this.

Posted by: bernie | December 11, 2007 08:35 AM