Hurray to Nike for the Vick suspension although I would like to think that everyone is innocent until proven guilty ~ does this mean that Nike is going to stop selling leather shoes?!

Posted by: Amy M | August 14, 2007 05:49 PM

I wonder how many Vick supporters are going to comment on this post??? If any of them do, I could not imagine what they would have to say, since they were so sure that Vick was innocent (despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary) to the point of unbelievable arrogance. HA! The animal lovers here knew that Vick was guilty all along. Now the Vick supporters will just have to SHUT UP!

Posted by: Michele | August 14, 2007 07:42 PM

NO PLEA DEAL FOR MICHAEL VICK!!!!!!!! STOP THIS INSANITY AS BEST YOU CAN. THIS MUST BE AN EXAMPLE AND ABUSE AND CRUELTY TO CRITTERS, CHILDREN, AND OLDSTERS MUST BE BROUGHT TO LIGHT IN AMERICA. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO RELIEVE THIS TYPE OF SUFFERING BUT FOR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE PETA TO FOCUS AS ONLY YOU CAN.

Posted by: LaDona Davis | August 14, 2007 08:41 PM

Seems like a fair request.

Posted by: Canaduck | August 14, 2007 08:46 PM

Thanks to PETA for keeping all of us animal lovers informed of what is going on with that MONSTER Michael Vick. I only hope that plea-bargaining does not equal no jail time. 6 years is way too little for what this coward has done. I think a protest would be in order if he gets anything less than 6 years and can never play football again. Never owning an animal for the rest of his life goes without saying.

Debbie P.

Posted by: Debbie | August 14, 2007 09:01 PM

What's with Vick's possible less-than-a-year sentence? This is craziness! He and his co-defendants need to serve the full 5 year maximum sentence.
I'm sick of plea deals letting off people.

Posted by: Patrick Smythe | August 14, 2007 09:57 PM

Innocent until proven guilty? He is guilty, just look at the evidence!!!

Posted by: Mario Riddick | August 14, 2007 10:15 PM

5 years !!!!! NO DEAL !

Posted by: Katie | August 14, 2007 10:37 PM

PETA is the only organization powerful enough to do something! I hope more is being done than just making sure he never owns an animal. He needs to get what he deserves. What about all of the poor dogs who paid the price for his selfishness?

Posted by: Michell | August 14, 2007 10:47 PM

NO WAY! NO PLEA DEAL! MICHAEL VICK NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL & NEVER PLAY FOOTBALL WITH ANY TEAM FOREVER! SACK SICK VICK! THIS WILL NOT HELP TO SET AN EXAMPLE THAT THE FELONY CHARGE OF DOGFIGHTING WILL BE FULLY SERVED SO MORE PEOPLE WILL STOP THIS HORRIFIC "SPORT!" THIS MAKES ME SICK! HE KNEW HE COULD WALK AWAY WITH A SIMPLE HAND SLAP! I WILL NOT QUIT LETTING ALL KNOW OF MY FEELINGS TOWARDS THESE POOR DOGS THAT HAVE NO ONE TO SPEAK FOR THEM EXCEPT US! I PRAY PETA WILL HAVE MUCH MORE TO SAY THAN HE JUST SHOULDN'T OWN A DOG AGAIN! MY GOSH ... WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE CHANGES & HELP STOP HORRIBLE DOGFIGHTING & HE IS AN IDOL TO MANY & THIS WAS THE BEST WAY TO SHOW THESE ACTIONS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED - NOR PLEA BARGAINED DOWN IN ANYWAY! I AM SOOOO UPSET!

Posted by: Deborah Paul | August 14, 2007 11:00 PM

I don't know what Michael Vick's salary is, but as a pro football player, I'm sure it is a lot. Part of any plea bargin should include his donating a HUGE portion of his annual income to animal shelters in Virginia, especially the ones that, as I understand it, took in the dogs rescued from his property. Whether he reaches a plea bargin, or is found innocent or guilty, this is something he should do.

Posted by: Patricia | August 14, 2007 11:19 PM

He is guilty! Tell all the Vick supporters to look at them.

Posted by: Anna | August 14, 2007 11:21 PM

HOW PATHETIC!!!!1 YEAR.....FEDERAL CHARGES 1 YEAR NOT TO MENTION WHAT HE HAS DONE...SICK..I THINK I SHOULD MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY

Posted by: Nina Colschen | August 14, 2007 11:25 PM

This goes way bejond dogfighting, what Vicks did to his dogs requiers a sadistic sick psychopahtic mind. This man makes a lot off money already but out off greed and egocentric resons fights dogs. His carrier needs to be over if the NFL has any ehtics or standards at all this monster needs to be terminated and prison is the only place he needs to be.

Posted by: pia Phoenix | August 14, 2007 11:51 PM

People say they love their pets. I urge all Americans to expand their circle of compassion beyond their pets themselves to animals across this country and to contact the football commissioner and contact the law enforcement powers that is be and say, No plea deal. We have to prosecute this man to the full extent of the law, and we have to expose these horrible dog fighting rings.

Posted by: Lori | August 14, 2007 11:51 PM

you people are out of your minds I can not believe what I am reading IT IS A FREAKING DOG NOT A HUMAN what is worth more Black men and White men aside? Think!!!

Posted by: Reginald | August 15, 2007 12:33 AM

I think peta is out of order some one will stop this madness this has to end dogs are not human think!!!

Posted by: Reginald | August 15, 2007 12:37 AM

fuck vick up the cornhole

Posted by: Bob | August 15, 2007 01:25 AM

Not only is my heart broken when I think of the fear,terrorfying fear, agonizing pain, such sad desparation, lonliness, and abandonment these dogs must have felt...my soul cracks.
Such sweet, innocents suffered such vivious torture from this "brother of Satan". As for as plea, there should be a recorded in the judges chambers, just in case 'its' handed a light 'slap on the wrist' type of sentence and the judge pays off a yacht. This 'thing' does not need 'jail-time' he needs a long stretch of 'prison-time". And not in one of the lavish, 18 hole golf course type 'prisons' our elected official get sent to.

Those poor, poor dogs. I wish there was something I could do.

Posted by: June Marie | August 15, 2007 01:33 AM

"Reginald" - WTF are you on about?!? How can you perceive this as an either/or situation??? Do you honestly believe that we cannot be PRO-human, as well as PRO-animal? Why must the two be mutually exclusive? And regarding your "THINK!!!" command ... perhaps you should take some of your own advice. As with all of the other Vick supporters, I would urge you to further your education, or at the very least, consider acquiring/borrowing a grammar book. Really. In the meantime, every time I think about Primative Vick and his cohorts' demise, I will continue to smile. Laugh, even.

Posted by: VestaGirl | August 15, 2007 01:59 AM

I felt sick when i heard of the charges against micheal vick. They are sickening and cruel and inhumane of any person to commit. I myself am not a Vick supporter, but im not against him, il leave that up to the judge. But i do have to say that there are other things to be concerned about. What do i mean by that? Well, many people have said that this case is just as serious as Oj Simpson's case, and that statement honestly offends me. Oj Simpson Destroyed a human life...a human life. Once again, a human life. Micheal Vick destroyed an animal's life...again, an animals life. There is a huge difference between a human, and an animal. Who deserves Justice? Oj's Victim or Micheal Vicks victim? Can we value an animal's life more precious or even at a level close to the one that we have? Another issue that drives me insane is that a few years ago, another nfl player, Lenard Little, was guilty of manslaughter by DUI, hes alcohol was twice the legal limit. He got 90 days in prison...again 90 days in prison.. There was a protest that recieved no recognition. It was ''Mom's Against Drunk Drivers''. A non-profit victims right organization that helps find justice for those affected by drunk drivers. A few years later, Lenard Little was arrested again, but his trial was dismissed because his lawyer persuaded the judge that the officer that arrested Lenard used inproper procedures.. We as society let things like that go everyday.. every single day.. Some child is abused, someone is murdered, but we let these things go.. Why? Why do we allow these things to happen without a fight? But instead, we are more concerned about ''Those poor, poor dogs'' when we fail to care for one another. Once again, What micheal vick did is sickening, but what about our own human kind? People.. They need love to..

Posted by: david tadesse | August 15, 2007 02:47 AM

Michael Vick must be severely punished if found guilty of the crimes for which he was indicted.

I would hate to see him cop a plea and get a slap on the wrist. He deserves a more thorough punishment for his inhumane treatment of animals and other violations of the law.

All he has shown us so far is arrogance in his denials of any wrongdoing.

Now that the government has built a strong case against him, he should face the music.

We don't need no stinkin' plea.

What kind of message are we sending to our youth if justice can be bargained away?

Posted by: Joseph Bolnick | August 15, 2007 03:25 AM

no plea deal ... let it go to trial pleaseeeee.How could he get no jail time .. that would be absurd .This is so wrong and if he gets off too easily that would be the wrong message to send to our youth and fellow americans.Someone needs to wipe off that smirk on his face and the only way possible is prison time!!what can we all do to help him not be able to get plea deal .. please advise?

Posted by: cathy decker | August 15, 2007 04:11 AM

You stick all of you!!He is innocent why don't you go after all the others that are killing deers,bears,rabbits,cows,chickens and so forth.All that PETA wanted was a chance to defame the character of an Afrian American that is high profile.You people make me sick,You can not even justify your position on this matter on Vick-However,the others yes they are guilty.I just don't see how you can pick Vick out and not Jonathan Babineaux,DeAngelo Hall,Warrick Dunn the high profile Athletes that maybe participated in this dog fighting..Do your homework please..I will never support your organization and i love my dogs but you guys smell something awful!!!
Good Day and Good BYe.

Posted by: Angel | August 15, 2007 07:43 AM

Nina,

Please move to another country and take all your PETA fruitcake friends with you. I recommend Afghanistan.

Posted by: Steve | August 15, 2007 08:31 AM

I myself think that one year or less in jail for Vick is not enough. He waited to see if everyone really would turn on him before ever thinking about a plea deal...Did he really think all these other people would just accept the charges for him and him get out with a small fee? An attorney on the Nancy Grace show was talking about how they had to get an agreement together that Michael Vick could live with...WHO CARES WHAT MICHAEL VICK CAN LIVE WITH!!! There are 54 dogs sitting on death row right now that as soon as an agreement of some kind is reached will be put to death..where is the dogs plea deal? Do they get a choice in their own fate? NO so why the H*ll should he?

The only bright lights I see at the end of this very dark, sick, cold tunnel are that now the media has raised the awareness that dog fighting is an issue, and maybe just maybe for Vick to save his own A** he will have to rat out more NFL players that are involved in the same illegal activity!!! (lets see all the Vick supporters faces when he rats out his own to save his self)!

Vick is aware that if he takes this to court the stakes will go up, and his chances for spending 6 years in jail increase..he knows that with the evidence and the testimony of his "FRIENDS" will kill him in court. So I expect by the end of the week we will know the ending of this whole story. I just hope when it ends he has exposed every football player, any kind of sports player, friend, and entertainment star that is guilty of running the same dog fighting rings!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To all the Vick supporters wake up and smell the coffee your star football player tried to hide behind the coat tails of all his friends ...he would have been ok with them taking the fall and going to jail FOR HIM!!! I cant figure out if he is the coldest person in the world for being able to run a dog fighting ring, and then try to lay the blame on his family, and friends..or if he is dumbest person in the world for throwing away a 130 million dollar contract, and then actually thinking that if they ever go caught no one would turn on him!!!

Posted by: Dana Ponder | August 15, 2007 08:37 AM

People who treat poor innocent defenceless animals so horribly should be shown no mercy. They should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

My heart cries for them.

Posted by: pathma raj | August 15, 2007 09:51 AM

(dogs are not human think)
u are sick in the head u loser... Human f...ing suck more then dogs.... i will pick a dog over that sorry shit Vick anyday of the week........ PETA ROCKS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ozzy | August 15, 2007 09:55 AM

Vick is a murderer, plain and simple. If I were judge he would be serving a LIFE sentance. The PLEA is bull. Anyone that is on Vicks side deserves to rot in jail beside him.

Posted by: Erica | August 15, 2007 10:15 AM

reginald

Read this and believe it. your thinking is why dogs are better than you!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: observer | August 15, 2007 10:29 AM

Every dog in the world is 100 times better than this monster Vick. I hope this ends his career permanently and he has to give a huge part of his earnings to a humane society. Thank you Peta for all you do. If he does take the plea agreement that means he pleads guilty and it is all over for him. But I do hope and pray he gets 6 years of jail time at least.

Posted by: Valerie | August 15, 2007 10:52 AM

NO PLEA unless it ruins his career!

Posted by: T-Bone | August 15, 2007 10:59 AM

I myself think that one year or less in jail for Vick is not enough. He waited to see if everyone really would turn on him before ever thinking about a plea deal...Did he really think all these other people would just accept the charges for him and him get out with a small fee? An attorney on the Nancy Grace show was talking about how they had to get an agreement together that Michael Vick could live with...WHO CARES WHAT MICHAEL VICK CAN LIVE WITH!!! There are 54 dogs sitting on death row right now that as soon as an agreement of some kind is reached will be put to death..where is the dogs plea deal? Do they get a choice in their own fate? NO so why the H*ll should he?

The only bright lights I see at the end of this very dark, sick, cold tunnel are that now the media has raised the awareness that dog fighting is an issue, and maybe just maybe for Vick to save his own A** he will have to rat out more NFL players that are involved in the same illegal activity!!! (lets see all the Vick supporters faces when he rats out his own to save his self)!

Vick is aware that if he takes this to court the stakes will go up, and his chances for spending 6 years in jail increase..he knows that with the evidence and the testimony of his "FRIENDS" will kill him in court. So I expect by the end of the week we will know the ending of this whole story. I just hope when it ends he has exposed every football player, any kind of sports player, friend, and entertainment star that is guilty of running the same dog fighting rings!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To all the Vick supporters wake up and smell the coffee your star football player tried to hide behind the coat tails of all his friends ...he would have been ok with them taking the fall and going to jail FOR HIM!!! I cant figure out if he is the coldest person in the world for being able to run a dog fighting ring, and then try to lay the blame on his family, and friends..or if he is dumbest person in the world for throwing away a 130 million dollar contract, and then actually thinking that if they ever go caught no one would turn on him!!!

Posted by: Dana Ponder | August 15, 2007 11:23 AM

I can't beleive the comments about how these are "just dogs - not humans". So, that makes it okay to severely abuse them in a sadistic manner? Have you people not seen the pictures of what these animals look like after these fights? Have you not heard the horrific tales of what was done to these animals? It kills my soul just to think about it. As "humans" we have a responsibility to ensure that the animals on our planet are cared for and not exploited, abused, or cruelly treated. Anyone who doesn't get that...is an idiot! And anyone who is not completely horrified and disgusted by the actions of Michael Vick and everyone else that participates in dogfighting is just as sadistic as they are. To sit back and do nothing, say nothing, excuse and condone this kind of behavior, is the same as being an active particpant!!! Shame on every person that says what he has done is no big deal!!!

Posted by: Catherine | August 15, 2007 12:05 PM

Why to you publish the opinions of people who see this cruelity as commonplace and permissable? Leave their stupid comments out!

Posted by: Joy | August 15, 2007 12:11 PM

I'm not judging anyone here,but i would appreciate it if you guys hear me out. I know that cruelty to animals is wrong but don't you think this is going a little too far, I know we all have to share this planet, but it's all kind of children who are getting molested and dying, drug infested streets of America, as well as health care issues, divorce rates, aids, hunger, etc. I know someone has to step up for the animals who have no-one to protect them. I'm Michael Vick's #1 fan, I have a strong feeling that he did those things, to crucify him is unjust without the judicial process. I'm from the inner city and I'm 29 years old and dog fights and cock fights have been going on all my life I can say and it's not going to stop. All this attention that you guys are putting behind this is only going to drive the purses up. I believe PETA is one of the most powerful organizations, think if you championed the other causes that I mentioned earlier with the same tenacity what a better world we would be living in. True story, I was on a date with this female and I wore a fur coat to the date, by the way I won't wear fur anymore and I haven't eaten meat in ten years. but anyway she was a member of PETA or so she said, she got all over me for wearing a fur coat and I said to her "you hypocrite you sit there and judge me because of my fur coat and look at you eating a steak, she said I need this food for nourishment, I proceeded to say that I needed the fur to keep warm and there ended the date. Last but not least I would appreciate it if you take a look at yahoo sports /nfl and read the article by Silver, he talks about the hypocrisy, of Peyton Manning deer hunting and nothing said, Leonard Little killing someone with a DUI and nothing said. Please post so all PETA members can read, I would appreciate it, if you truly are unbiased even if I'm justalittlebiased

Posted by: dlp | August 15, 2007 12:21 PM

This DOG KILLER must do time and not be allowed to play again, what kind of an influence would it show to any humane being that it's ok to abuse mange torture and kill MAN'S BEST FRIEND THE DOG...MATRIE ROMANO.. NEW JERSEY

Posted by: marie romano | August 15, 2007 12:26 PM

It is absolutly astonishing that Michael Vick is even getting the option of a plea bargain. This man, if you can call him that, deserves the death penalty plain and simple. If there were that many dead HUMAN bodies in his yard there would be no question of the death penalty. That "man" should be strapped to a chair and executed immediatly. Another thing, how does the federal goverment even think 1 year (or 5) is anywhere close to fair for the unmentionable acts this monster has commited? PETA, I really hope you will persue Michael Vick anyway you can, even if he pleas out. Just taking away his rights to own another animal is not nearly enough.

Posted by: Rebecca | August 15, 2007 12:31 PM

5 years !!!!! NO DEAL !

Posted by: Traci Christenson | August 15, 2007 12:48 PM

I am so sick of these dam "plea deals" in other words you get off easy. This bastard does not deserve anything else but to be put in jail with people just like him - criminals, I had a feeling this bastard would get off easier, this is repulsive, come on PETA dont let us down, help us fight! No Plea deal for this animal abuser!

Posted by: Cyndi | August 15, 2007 01:01 PM

It's pretty obvious that he is guilty and his lawyers are advising him of a plea bargain cause they know they can't help this lug. I am so disgusted and tired of the lawyers and their plea bargaining. Anymore these criminals get away with everything! 5 years is nothing for what he has done!
How pathetic!

Posted by: Lorraine | August 15, 2007 01:13 PM

I think we should let Michael Vick play. If M.V. goes to prison, a message is sent, but that's the only good that comes out of it. Instead, he should play for the next 5 years and every cent he earns goes to NPO's that support animal rights or that take care of animals.

So much good could come out of this. He would live under house arrest or at the jail, and would have a parole officer go with him when his work takes him out of town (some of his millions could pay for this too).

M.V. would still lose his freedom, but at least would be working to make conditions better for other animals.

M.V. would also be playing for his freedom-- if he loses his starting position or earning potential, then he serves the rest of his sentence in Prison. With that kind of motivation the Falcons could easily win the Super-Bowl! (all the more money for the animals)

Things will never be put right for the Dogs M.V. exploited, but forcing M.V. to work to support animal rights with every penny he earns could help to make things right for many other animals out there.

M.V. you choose: Prison or 5 years of the game you love, but you lose your money. I'd take this agreement if I were in this situation.

Posted by: Pat Overman | August 15, 2007 01:31 PM

where are u stupid vick supporters now ? :)
VICK should NOT allow to plea !!!
VICK should PAY for his crime !!!
VICK should go to JAIL for 6 yrs !!!!
VICK'S property should be TAKE AWAY by the goverment!!!!
VICK should NEVER allowed to play professional football !!!
VICK should sweep human society's floor for LIFE !!!!!
VICK should ROT IN HELL !!!!!!

Posted by: ann | August 15, 2007 01:50 PM

Although I feel, absolutely, that Vick should be spared NOTHING, and should be sentenced to the full five years, surely this will not happen. Likely he will plea to avoid this, which will still damage his reputation and will have to suffice. Certainly the request by PETA that the plea include the provision that he never own animals is sensible and warranted. I hope the feds see the worth of it and include it.

Posted by: Peter | August 15, 2007 01:54 PM

Michael Vick is a typical male that will lie to the very end, he lied when first questioned in this matter, and now is looking for a plea deal. If he did nothing wrong why does he need a "plea deal", If he was innocent why would you need a "plea deal"??? Yes lets do think....Maybe Michael thought that no one cared about these animals?????Looks like he thought wrong.....Huh?????

Posted by: Keith | August 15, 2007 01:57 PM

I don't think that Vic is getting what he deserves...he need to be strung up by his toes and shocked and whipped and everything else that he did to those poor dogs. I think that we all need to stop watching football and stop buying anything with the NFL logo until they do something harsh to Vic like letting him not play football anymore....I know I persoanlly am done with football.

Posted by: Sarah B | August 15, 2007 02:17 PM

Great job PETA. I am a huge football fan myself....I believe keeping healthy and eating healthy...no meat is such a good cause. But I am definetly for Vick being tossed to the dogs...I guess we could say!

Posted by: Stephanie | August 15, 2007 02:32 PM

Oh and June Marie....I am a Golden retriever rescue volunteer and may I suggest you could volunteer for your local "PitBull" or other rescue of your choice in your area. So many animals need homes and foster care! I love your comment!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 02:34 PM

I don't like this at all.
He needs to go to prison.
This asshole will never change his stripes.
This is what my husband said,
the powers that be need to pick out a prison and put Vick's rape stand right in the middle of the workout area and strap Vick to it and release all the men prisoners and let them have a "SWEET VISIT" with Vick.
Enough said....
Judith

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter | August 15, 2007 02:43 PM

I hope Vick burns! People like him are the reason pitts have a bad name. People like Vick are the reason me and my pitts are no longer welcome to go to any city we please! He's no human and should be put away for life.

Posted by: Rene | August 15, 2007 02:46 PM

This ridiculous! NO plea deal for Vick! Animal lover should contact the U.S. Assistant Attorneys Office for Eastern District of Virginia -Richmond Office) and tell Mr. Michael Gill this. I did and emailed them too. I don't understand why PETA isn't pushing this other than this letter.

Posted by: Tia | August 15, 2007 02:54 PM

to david tadesse:
this here is an animal rights issue! if you are so eager to help humans you should not hesitate to do so - it's wrong to wait always for an organization! you can do much - even adopt a child or work as a voluntary in an alcoholic rescue place etc. it's our duty to help the two - one is more inspired to help people - anotherone is more inspired to help animals! but i don't like that you come here to tell us that animals don't deserve as much help as we humans do - i don't like small hearts, i like big hearts who have place for the two!

Posted by: silent tongue | August 15, 2007 03:21 PM

Justalittlebiased,
You may not be judging anyone here, but you are missing the point all together. Children, homeless, and molesters are not part of PETA.....they are an organization for ANIMALS....there are organizations for the homeless, children, and molesters. No one is trying to say one is more important than the other BUT Peta is not where you champion these causes. As for the drug infested streets funny you should make that comment considering that it is a proven fact that drugs, convicts, and gang members all focus around dog fighting.....so in order to make the statement that you seem to care about drug infested streets you should care about dog fighting rings that revolve around this crap. I don’t think people should look for other causes to champion this is one that I believe strongly in stopping animal cruelty, and taking animals and making them into monsters for your own self sick fascination is the worse form in my opinion. As deer hunting I am in no way for it, BUT it just so happens to be legal! As for the Leonard Little killing someone with drug driving there is a huge organization called MAAD that champions its cause just for drunk drivers. Why you might ask are people so MAD when people do things to animals like VICK....animals are unconditional, loyal creatures that will follow you to the end of the earth when no one else will.....they do not make choices such as do I get a job to pay my rent, do I get a job to eat.....no society as a whole places them here with over breeding and then disregards of them like trash.........they have no voice to speak up for themselves so someone has to do it for them!!!!!!!!! I am sorry that peta is so strong that Michael Vick may actually have to pay for what he has done...I don’t care where you come from the streets, or some rich fancy neighborhood DOG FIGHTING makes you the scum of the earth....if you have that little regard for animals then you are a danger to society!!! There are people out there that do not even really like animals that think this is SICK! Dogs are mans best friend and until you really have that bond with a dog you do not understand why so many people that do become outraged when they see this abuse and know that it could be their dog being used as a pawn for these pits to practice on...or it could have been their pit punished to this life of hell. Until you fully understand that dogs are more important than something...when infertility strikes a couple and they can not afford the expensive treatments or the high price of adoption the dog becomes the missing link of a childless marriage....when children leave for college and the parents are left a lone the dog picks up the slack.........when older people are left with no one but their animal to keep them company and the animal does this with the upmost respect and loyalty.....catch my drift..................This is why PETA is so strong because people cant control a lot of things, but we can be the voice of those defenseless animals that cant speak.............................So no there is no explaining your point on this one.............PETA will not back off of VICK and he will PAY!!!

Posted by: Dana Ponder | August 15, 2007 03:46 PM

dip

All those issues you mentioned are social issues that MANY organizations address with the luxury of having billions of dollars from both the government and in donations to spend in order to help people. Again, the "A" in PETA stands for animals. Since these social issues concern you so much, perhaps you should consider joining those MANY organizations to help alleviate those human social issues that human beings have created. PETA and animal advocates have so many types of animal abuse, neglect, and cruelty to address that it becomes overwhelming for both PETA and advocates alike. Again, the forum is about helping animals from the abuse of humans; there are billions of animals crying for help everyday from true animal advocates.

Posted by: Ana | August 15, 2007 04:01 PM

Vick should be given the same treatment as he did to those poor dogs. A cattle prode to his balls! To anyone who defends him should get the same treatment. I would take animals over 99% of the human population.

Posted by: Sandy Holmberg | August 15, 2007 04:04 PM

You people are crazy! You are the same people who wat animals at restaurants and also walk around with shoes amde from the leather of animals. This case is an attempt to push PETA and not for anything further. The next time you see that dead dog or cat sitting in the middle of the road make sure you get out of the care and pick it up instead of just riding by like I'm sure most of you do!

Posted by: Vick Supporter | August 15, 2007 04:32 PM

I told myself I wasn't going to comment on Vick anymore, but there's just something I have to say to all the people who are saying that dogfighting only affects dogs. Back when I lived in TN, there was a story about some sick dogfighters that went around to all the neighborhoods and stole all the dogs to be used as bait. An entire neighborhood lost all of their dogs. How do you think the owners felt? What about the little children who lost their best friends? What about the blind people with guide-dogs? What about the cancer survivors who had a dog that detected it? And for those of you that consider animals to be property, what about all the money that was lost when the dogs were stolen? Obviously, this does not only affect dogs.

Posted by: Brianna Fritchey | August 15, 2007 05:03 PM

Statistics show that people who tend to be cruel and abusive to animals move onto bigger and better things.....such as murder. Of course we are talking animal mutilation but as I see it Michael Vick has done just this. I am so sick of pitbulls getting a bad name because they fight. If I were put in a ring after being starved, beaten and tortured and knew that my opponent would kill me I bet I would fight back too. It is disqusting and I hope Michael Vick gets some prison time out of this. Of course, he will still have fans, kinda like O.J. After All, he is a football hero right?? Piece of Sh*t!

Loving Pit Owner,
Rhonda

Posted by: Rhonda | August 15, 2007 05:31 PM

Lets see...human life vs animal life. Which matters more? Kind of hard to put Vick in either catagory. He looks like a cross between a snake and a cockroach. I don't think the length of time in jail matters. As long as he gets raped the same way his dogs did.

Posted by: RobinF | August 15, 2007 05:55 PM

Please make Michael Nick go to trial. He should be given the most the judge can throw at him. Jail for at least 6 years and a huge fine and not be allowed to play footbal anywhere. Let us have justice as there are a lot of animal lovers out here!!!!!!!Me included!!!!

Posted by: Anne Franklin | August 15, 2007 06:00 PM

I dont think 1 year is close to enough and I hope PETA has something to say about it

Posted by: Richard Hausig | August 15, 2007 06:26 PM

Psycho vick and his psycho supporters are prime candidates to be terrorists. the phoney mouths yapping about social activism are asses. full of hot air that leaves farts here!!!!!!!!! therein proving animals are better than people.

Posted by: observer | August 15, 2007 07:16 PM

No deals to a murderer!!! Justice must be done! What message will our justice system be sending to others who torture other living things to death?, He should get one year for each dog that was put & forced to die by this monster. And to watch all those poor dogs till their last breath, it is totally sick. No human
being should get away with this! We,the people need to speak loud and clear on those dogs behalf now! Let us speak loud and clear: NO DEALS! JAIL TIME!!!
All living things have hearts, feeling, and pain just like us humans, its no different. If plea deal is made, then of course its all about money, (blood money) and not respect for life at all. One would think that law is applied equally to rich and poor, is it?
And now maybe they will find something wrong with him mentally? its always the case: either something mentally or he will find God, happens all the time. He and others knew exactly what they did, they did it anyway for the money, even if it was blood money, they didnt care, and now they will try all tricks not to do jail time, people like him, the criminals know the system how it works, and his lawyers are doing it all for money, they arent any better human beings then him they are all worthless! advising him about deals.

Posted by: Sophie | August 15, 2007 07:27 PM

race ant got nothing to do with this the guy is a sick evil person so stop being so arrogant when your wrong your wrong

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 09:44 PM

I love how everyone in there oh so perfect life is quick to judge this man. I can think of tons of things with animals that arent taken as seriously the running of the bulls, rodeos where competitors almost ring the neck of a cow and the list goes on. People dont be so quick to throw stones. What about this referee who was basically working for the mob nobody wants his head. Maybe the europeans should have thought twice before they came up with dogfighting.

Posted by: junior | August 15, 2007 10:55 PM

micheal vick is sick and shoukd go fuck himself

Posted by: Damien gosse | August 15, 2007 11:23 PM

I think that Mike Vick should have to donate money to the Peta, the American Humane Society....why hasn't that been brought up...with all his money that should be a stipulation....he should not get off scott free with not helping the animals that he made suffer.....all the animals...the animals that had to suffer that were used in the training of the dogs

Posted by: Bud and Doc | August 16, 2007 12:21 AM

to all the vick supporters who are still putting ur stinky foot in ur mouth,
ur darling vick ths thug is GUILTY AS HELL.
plea bargain now? ha ha ha,
what happens to his defense in public?
" i don't go to my property,other people uses my property,
i am going to clear my " good name ".
michael vick, SHAME ON U,U SCAM!!!!!!!!!!
i would like to put u on the rape stand,put ur two flea infected balls with high voltage electric wire, give u a good shock which i am sure u ll enjoy it very much,
then pour cold water over u, wake u up, then slam ur stinky body against the wall,EVERYDAY.
beofer u lv the jail, i hope some animal lover prisoner break up both ur legs so u ll
NEVER play football again.

Posted by: ann | August 16, 2007 12:42 AM

This is for the stupid idiot..Oh sorry M.V supporter,you know some things are just wrong rape murder fedral offenses...weather they are human or animal if you have any sense whatsoever you could see that!!!Imagine the horor if this was one of your children!And by the way yes i do stop on the side of the road to help any living thing and people like you are why...God or someone else save your soul!

Posted by: Nina Colschen | August 16, 2007 01:11 AM

I hope that Vick gets the maximum sentence for his cruel and evil actions. But the real punishment for him is in the hands of the NFL. I hope the NFL gives Vick a lifetime ban, which it can do under NFL rules because of his association with gambling, which is always there at dog fights along with drugs, guns and violent felons.
When Vick wakes up and realizes that he pissed away a multimillion dollar NFL career for what? Dog-fighting and getting to hang out with some "gangsta" types and pretending to be a tough guy, thats when his punishment will really begin.

Posted by: Jake | August 16, 2007 03:39 AM

Most people are guilty for judging Vick unfairly. When did the life of a rabbit, squirrel, deer, duck or boar become less valuable than that of a dog? The same people who are calling Vick a bad man probably slaughter thousands of innocent animals yearly, and after killing them, speak of how beautiful they are.
They are hypocrites. These animals have right to life too. These Vick bashers, with homes full of food and pockets full of money pass Publix, Kroger or Food Lion to go and kill for fun, and not food. If you judge Vick to be a bad man, you are too. To mention, since when then pitbulls become the so precious center of attention. Was it not years ago, so called animal rights group were banning the raising and care for pitbull dogs in residential homes and requested to put these type breeds to sleep. Others other than Vick are doing countless dogfighting everyday, but I guess if it's not for money but for leisure it's sooo wrong. Go ahead, destroy a man's life for watching animals fight but praise a man so called of GOD who malest young boys.

Posted by: Dan Chavous | August 16, 2007 05:30 AM

It's his dogs so he should be allowed to do what he wants with them.He has harmed no human or society and nothing will be gained by his prosecution.

Posted by: Mars | August 16, 2007 08:06 AM

I read most of these messages as well as the message stating that individuals have to await for approval to a message. I am not a person who wishes to see any animal hurt but I would think that wishing death on a human being (which is crazy) for the death of an animal that was bread throughout the ages from the beginning for fighting and warfare. This is animal is dangerous and yet I don't think it diserves to die nor do I think that a man should be punished until he is proven guilty. If he is guilty he will do time but if not should he really be dragged through the headlines and convicted before the courts can get him. I have seen people with their children holding up signs that communicate a series of awful messages and I really think people should take time to really to think before we put up a sign that pushes an adults views on kids.

Posted by: Tica | August 16, 2007 08:37 AM

Why should there even be a hint of Michael Vick to only get as little as one year. If it was anyone else they would have to serve the full sentence. They bring it on a news station that American animal lovers don't really care and just love it when Michael Vick says he is sorry only to save his job and millions of dollars that he will be excepted back into football with our blessing. I think that stinks to put that idea into our heads and also the may dog's that suffered and were horribly killed by this man!

Posted by: Mary Guajardo | August 16, 2007 11:08 AM

to mars and tica:
your reactions directly show me that you just appear here on this blog without any idea about the whole peta files! you ignorant folks, pretending that an animal who was bred to fight should be evil! it's the human being who is evil - it's the human being who brought the animal to that point! and no person is allowed to do with an animal what he likes! an animal belongs to god and itself - we have no right to abuse them in any way! are you god to decide about an other living creature's destiny? reflect about this deeply!!!

Posted by: Lord of the Apes | August 16, 2007 11:47 AM

Junior, get your head out of the clouds!! Your comment "I can think of tons of things with animals that arent taken as seriously the running of the bulls", etc, is just a tad off base. Try doing a search on PETA's site for the "Running of the Nudes", and maybe then you will find out the facts before shooting off your mouth.

The Vick story just happens to be getting more media coverage than other animal issues because Vick is a so-called celebrity. That does not mean that animal rights folks are taking his situation more seriously than others.

As for Vick plea-bargaining, even if he went to trial and was found guilty (which of course would be the result), he would never serve enough jail time to make up for what he did to those poor dogs. It would be ideal if he got the maximum, but 6 years is not even nearly enough!

I am just glad that Vick cannot pretend he is innocent anymore. Fortunately, because of his "celebrity" status, everyone will know what he did, and no one will ever respect him again. I do hope that PETA and other organizations/individuals are successful in ensuring that Vick is banned from owning animals for life. He is a sick, pathetic excuse for a human being, and his past charitable donations are just "blood money" as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Michele | August 16, 2007 12:00 PM

Cruelty to animals has been linked to serious psychological and criminal behavior. Michael Vick is a criminal and possibly a psychopath. Michael vick needs to be incarcerated an banned, for life, from owning any animals. may god have mercy on his soul.

Posted by: Patricia S. Beecher | August 16, 2007 01:15 PM

Dan Chavous

Just for your information I do not run around slaughtering animals. I even took the life change of not eating meat or consuming dairy so that I can make sure that animals are not slaughtered on my behalf. So when I speak of my feelings of Michael Vick I speak clearly. I am so sick of people using the "animals should not be considered more valuable than humans" when trying to defend Vick. I dont really care you invented dog fighting....I hope the person that did spends many many years in hell! But just because wrong was invented by someone else does not in any way give Michael Vick the right to participate in it.

As for the comment of banning pit bulls I am more in favor of banning stupid people! I think the idea of banning pit bulls was brought about because some groups of people think that if you can demolish the breed you can stop abuse. That however will not work because stupid, unstable people like Vick will find some other breed of dog to meet their sick needs.
I can not understand people that will defend this guy...besides play football on your TV what will he ever really do for you? It is time to wake up and realize this guy did this to himself not PETA....not animals lovers...not the humane society....he made a choice and it was a stupid one!!!! And now all of his loyal followers want to blame everyone else for standing up against him....if you want to blame someone blame your hero for being an idiot! Also people get it through your heads PETA works for animals not HUMANS! But if you really care about child molester, child abusers, drugs, murderers....keep in mind that they all gather around at these dog fights...so when you take away dog fighting you help stop CRIME as well!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Dana Ponder | August 16, 2007 01:16 PM

Dan

All of the animals you mentioned are precious, unfortunately hunting and slaughterhouses are both legal. I don't eat or wear animals, I'm vegan so I can speak with all honesty that many other vegans/animal advocate like myself oppose both hunting and eating animals. Slaughterhouses are an abomination and humane slaughter is an oxymoron. I have never supported the ban of pit bulls but I have demanded more severe penalties for dog fighters and trainers---they need to serve long sentences for the abomination that they practice.
What Vick did is inexcusable and his supporters are just as guilty as he is.

Mars
At one time Southerners said that about THEIR property---it led to a civil war. Your argument is a specious one to say the least. NO, no one has the right to what they want with humans or non-humans!!!! All feel pain and bleed when cut and all deserve proper care, respect and love.

The laws for animals need to reflect that animals are sentient beings not property. Perhaps then the status of animals will be elevated and more protection will be given them.

Posted by: Ana | August 16, 2007 01:26 PM

How about a provision where he gets a complimentary bullet to the back of the head? That'd be fair, right? Screw this scumbag and screw Nike.

Posted by: Richard | August 16, 2007 01:30 PM

While I personally do not condone the actions of those involved in any sort of dogfighting activities, I feel that nothing is being done as far as efforts go to rehabilitate those who do participate in these horrific acts of animal violence. Wouldn't is be wise, perhaps necessary to assist in some sort of rehabilitation efforts to the people involved in the alleged dogfighting rings? It seems the media and so many people are very fast to condemn Michael Vick and his cohorts to swift and harsh punishment. And while punishment is necessary I think it is also necessary for the likes of PETA and the ASPCA to take a pro-active role in the rehabilitation of all those convicted of these crimes. I wonder if any of the animal rights organizations have offered up any support to Michael Vick and his co-defendants in rehabilitation efforts? Or are these same activists merely content to let these men dwell in a cell for X amount of months or years? Fortunately the ASPCA and PETA has the support to rescue and rehabilitate abused and caged animals. I wonder if they would do the same even for a criminal? Hmmmmm....

Posted by: Paul O'Brien | August 16, 2007 02:45 PM

How come PETA is only going after Vick, what about the other player that beat his girlfriend dog to death. Only for publicity.

Posted by: Ryan | August 16, 2007 04:12 PM

dan chavous
YOU are as dumb as MARS and the rest of psycho vicks psycho supporters!!!!!!
DUMB!!! DUMB!!!!! DUMB!!!!!!
get off the stupid bullshit line that we destroyed his life!!!
Who and how many of us here told vicks to have illegal dogfighting and told the government to indict him??????

Posted by: observer | August 16, 2007 04:18 PM

and no person is allowed to do with an animal what he likes! an animal belongs to god and itself - we have no right to abuse them in any way! are you god to decide about an other living creature's destiny? reflect about this deeply!!

You need to read your Bible. God gave Man dominion over the animals to use anyway Man saw fit.

At one time Southerners said that about THEIR property---it led to a civil war.

Try seperating humans from animals.Also read Civil War history, slavery was not the cause or reason for the War.

All feel pain and bleed when cut

So do plants.

Posted by: Mars | August 16, 2007 05:11 PM

Social organizations/services
rehabilitate people; but first these organizations
must take dog fighting seriously enough in order to provide them those services.

Organizations for non-humans do not rehabilitate humans.

Posted by: Ana | August 16, 2007 05:19 PM

angel first of all you need to learn how to spell.i for one am sick of hearing the "boo hoo...i'm black issue.get over it! this has nothing to do with race.it is about innocent dogs who were tortured for money.vick the pr..k makes enough money throwing a ball around for a few hours. he is a greedy and heartless creep!

Posted by: susie | August 16, 2007 07:07 PM

First things first. As a defender of animal rights PETA must insist to the states attorney that there to be NO DEALS. Right and wrong are not to be negogiated. If Mr Vick is innocent as he claims then he can proove it in a trial. Please do not take even one srep backward on this point. The dogs cannot talk to the states attorney to make this request so PETA must do it for them.

Posted by: Harold Gross | August 16, 2007 08:41 PM

Angel are you Afro American???? When ever things are said IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE RACIAL ON AN AFRO AMERICAN'S part. GET A LIFE
DOGS, HUMANS, All living creatures should not be tortured by a BLACK, white, mexican or an sucky NFL quarterback. HA HA

Posted by: Anonymous | August 16, 2007 09:23 PM

Hi I am a proud pitbull owner who could not believe that dog fighting exisits and thanks to VICK now we can be more aware. This is a deeper issue then making money off of the dog fights. HE is a multi millionaire. His issue is basically he is an evil human being that I am in shock that I see parents buying his jersey to wear. this week I saw 2 children wearing the jersey and was disgusted. It starts in the home right? My pitbull Soprano made an appearance on my tv show that airs on ABC and Soapnet. I wanted him to be seen because pitbulls get a bad rep. I was watching Bryan Gumble and dog fighting investigation he did. And when the police find the dogs with heavy 50 pound chains no water or food in there own feces the dogs are stil wagging their tail. PITBULLS ARE LOVING DOGS. MY 100 POUND PITBULL SLEEPS WITH ME EVERY NIGHT IN MY BED. THEY DO NOT HAVE IN THERE BLOOD TO KILL THEY ARE TAUGHT BY THIS COWARDS AND MENTALLY SICK INDIVIDUALS. PLEASE LETS DO SOMETHING!

Posted by: Nicole Amendolare | August 16, 2007 09:56 PM

Here we go again,athlete,money,crime,plea bargan,bull shit. Average man would be hung out to dry,but the big athletes get off again easy,im sick of it like everyone else,SEND HIM TO JAIL!!!!!!

Posted by: tom vb | August 16, 2007 10:59 PM

They are just dogs, but they do deserve good treatment. Be real people. No human should have to pay an excessive price for their use. The bible says that the animals were put here for mans use, including as food. just be humane about how they are used. None of us would be here had not our ancestors used animals for food and clothing.

Posted by: Ed | August 16, 2007 11:33 PM

I find it interesting that hypocrites like those of you that are members of and support PETA call yourselves Christians in most cases. Forgiveness and a compassionate heart are two of the most Godly traits one can exhibit. Stop condemning this man for a cultural pasttime that is quite frankly not as horrific as it has been made out to be and get on with the business of forgiving and healing. Regardless of how you feel about dog fighting, the fact remains that Mike Vick is our brother and needs the same love and compassion that you want to give to the non essential animals you supposedly stand for.

Posted by: Arizona E | August 16, 2007 11:43 PM

I believe that any plea deal should definitely include jail time of just a little less than five years. Remember, he was the financier of this illegal venture. Besides, it would not be fair to the three co-defendants who preceded him in making a plea deal and would most probably face five years individually plus fines. What I want to see is justice for the dogs and fairness in our justice system.

Posted by: suzyq | August 17, 2007 12:58 AM

I read PETA's letter to the Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Gill. It did not mention jail time for Vick even if he made a plea deal. And I mean a long jail time. One year or less is only a slap on the wrist. I thought we were all fighting for justice for the dogs. There is no justice without jail time.

Posted by: suzyq | August 17, 2007 01:27 AM

MICHAEL VICK WILL ONE DAY BE RELEASED,HE WILL BE BACK IN THE NFL, HE WILL BE A MILLIONAIRE. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU WONT! PETA SUCKS!

Posted by: Brad Pitt | August 17, 2007 01:58 AM

I just hope if he makes a plea that he will never be able to play football again.The dogs that were taken from his property are still in cages. They are being used as evidence. They are so vicious that they can only be let out of their cages maybe once a day. I wonder how he will be feeling locked in a cage and only being let out once in awhile.

Posted by: matti | August 17, 2007 02:00 AM

yes I understand that it is wrong for Vick or anyone else to do the things that they are doing but come on people 50% of you wear leather of some sort and eat meat. I love the comment that the one lady wrote about picking up the dead animals from the street as we pass by. Priceless. All I'm saying is champion this cause and keep letting the bottom feeders of society keep preying on the children, women, and elderly. Who cares right? What about the dogs who attack a jogger or a child for no reason just for being there. I know I'm painting with a broad brush but so are some of you blood thirsty people who want a human to suffer. Make him settle with PETA for 2 million and do commercials saying he sorry and of course that's more money you can keep in addition to the anti-Vick products selling as we speak.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 17, 2007 02:25 AM

This man should never be allowed to play football again if he is guilty.

Posted by: victor nalli | August 17, 2007 03:49 AM

It's amazing that some people actually believe that animals are inferior to humans. Humans are animals and should never consider any other form of life lower than them because life is life regardless of whether the creature is an ant or a fish or bird or dog or human. Oh and Dan Chavous - just to clear any doubts, I have been a vegan since I was eleven years old.

Posted by: millie | August 17, 2007 05:34 AM

Paul O'Brien,

Why would you even think that PETA or the ASPCA should be part of rehabilitation for these people? It is up to animal organizations to make sure that fair and ethical treatment is given to animals..these organizations push for more laws, and justice to be served when they are broken...but it is not up to Peta to make sure these people change.

Comparing animals to People in jail is just simply crazy. Animals did not go out and commit crimes, murder people, or rob a bank to get in jail...I think where people miss the point with animals is they have no other choice!!! Humans control every aspect of their lives such as to breed more & more of them, toss them on the road when they dont want them anymore...drop them off at the humane societies when they no longer meet their lifestyle. People make choices dogs dont!

I wish that people would look at the other side of this and realize what an important role dogs play in many different areas in this world...they are drug dogs, security dogs, seeing eye dogs, rescue dogs... they can play a very important role in finding lost children in the woods...and there are still people that come on here and act as if they are just disposable, and people should just get over it! When did humans become superior that they actually think that everything on earth is ours to own, control, abuse, and do with what we want?

I long ago accepted the fact my dog is a gift in my life, and I by far do not own this dog it is a part of our family not a slave!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Dana Ponder | August 17, 2007 07:58 AM

paul obrien
get your dizzy head on straight!!!! animal organizations aren't rehabs for people!!!! vick had all the chances and the money to get rehab before. people close to him not involved but merely content could have persuaded him to get rehab before. vick is now in the hands of the law. now you want animal organizations to go against the law to rescue and rehab him?????? where the hell are you coming from????

Posted by: observer | August 17, 2007 08:17 AM

INNOCENT....YEAH RIGHT....and don't pull the it's because he's black card...look at the evidence ANGEL....i was a big vick fan coming from va tech myself. He and anyone else black,white whatever that can do such things should be punished.....what if it was your animal or your child?????

Posted by: Anonymous | August 17, 2007 10:47 AM

I agree with Sandy Holmberg. The next time you people who are with PETA see a dead dog or cat or even an opossum or raccoon in the street dead get out your car and pick it up. Do we see PETA protesting when dogs like pit bulls attack and kill children and adults and the owners only get a citation as well as their dogs being euthanize?

Posted by: Tracey (Vick Supporter) | August 17, 2007 10:49 AM

i bet vick is not going to plea guilty for he is so CUNNING.
i bet he was trying to make a deal with NFL , but failed, so he wants to take a chance at court.
i hope he gets the maximum jail time and rot in hell.

Posted by: ann | August 17, 2007 12:35 PM

I do not condone this act by Michael Vick, but a mans life is in danger! I was on board to donate thousands of my hard earned dollars to PETA, but if he goes to jail, my money will stay in my pocket. And everyone can thank the idiots for casting judgement before court.

Posted by: Support Vick | August 17, 2007 01:41 PM

Mr. Vick has a responsibility as a public figure and one of a role model to carry himself in a way that young children can learn and grow from, even idolize. A man who supports dog fighting in any manner to any extent, be it large or small should not be allowed such a privileged a position as that of the Atlanta Falcons Quarterback. Any human being that can sit back and watch ( or even participate in ) innocent, beautiful animals be tortured and destroyed is quite possibly capable of far greater cruelty. Please make an example of Mr. Vick in order to prevent future abuses to these beautiful animals and others.

Posted by: Michelle | August 17, 2007 01:45 PM

Can PETA explain to me the difference in dogfighting and killing of dogs and the kiling of deer and other animals that are hunted by most of the big name NFL stars?

Posted by: Peggy Greene | August 17, 2007 01:54 PM

This guy should go directly to jail no matter what. He's obviously guilty, what other proof do you need? And I really hope he loses his NFL career. I'd love to see that happen.

Posted by: Vicki | August 17, 2007 02:59 PM

I read one of the bloggers mention dogfighting as a cultural pasttime. Not in my culture. Dogfighting is a heinous, vicious, barbaric, murderous activity. Anybody who engages in dogfighting and allows the dogs to be hurt and die has no respect for life.

Posted by: suzyq | August 17, 2007 03:12 PM

I grew up with dogs that I loved dearly. I understand that everyone is sooooo upset about the charges against Michael Vick. I see all of the prostesting and cries of how inhumane the charges are. All you hear is about the money he makes and how he should be imprisoned. Am I angry because he's accused of these crimes? NO! Do I care how much money he make? NO! Everyone hollers about Freedom yet he's guilty from the start. Is it racism? Partially YES! But do I really care about all of this? NO! I lost my brother in Iraq. He was blown up. I guess killing dogs should be more important but NO it isn't. I have a brother-in-law that's on his 5th tour of Iraq. Will I lose him also? Yet all people care about is taking someones Freedom for killing animals. Is is right no but we have so many young men and women fighting for us to protest against what we think is wrong. Why aren't any of the peta members protesting the deaths of innocent young men and women. Oh sorry that's War and only humans.

Posted by: Angel | August 17, 2007 03:27 PM

“…you people are out of your minds I can not believe what I am reading IT IS A FREAKING DOG NOT A HUMAN what is worth more Black men and White men aside? Think!!!”

“I think Peta is out of order some one will stop this madness this has to end dogs are not human think!!!”

There was a time when all of the above statements were made about Negroes as a justification for slavery, the Dred Scott decision of 1856 being a great example. However, as a society we came to our senses and realized how wrong this was. Do you not think it is possible that we might one day view your ideas about the animals the way the Dred Scott decision is generally viewed today?

Secondly, on what basis do you make the distinction between animals and humans as far as ethics are concerned? Is it that man can reason and animals can not? This is not much of an argument as illustrated by Jeremy Bentham some 200 years ago (“The question is not, 'Can they reason?' nor 'Can they talk?' but 'Can they suffer?") or more recently by the Philosopher Peter Singer (“All the arguments to prove man's superiority cannot shatter this hard fact: in suffering, the animals are our equals.") If you chose to ignore pain and suffering as reason enough to grant the right not to be hunted and molested to animals, then I can only assume you consider the fact they cannot reason to be all that counts. That being the case, can either of you tell me one good reason why we shouldn’t hunt the mentally retarded? Perhaps we could train them to fight each other to the death; after all, many of them lack what we would call the ability to reason. What about people who are not very bright (but not retarded) couldn’t the smarter people in society make a case that they have the right to hunt them or experiment on them?

“Can PETA explain to me the difference in dog fighting and killing of dogs and the killing of deer and other animals that are hunted by most of the big name NFL stars?”

No – there really is none. None of these activities are acceptable to civilized people. I honestly believe that anyone that can look at a deer down a rifle scope and shoot it is lacking in humanity. How can anyone whose brain is not damaged in some way actually enjoy killing animals?

Posted by: Wolfran | August 17, 2007 03:37 PM

Once again: HUNTING IS LEGAL!!!!! Even so, PETA and C.A.S.H and animal advocates all oppose and protest it. Cowards with multiple weapons smeared in feces and urine enjoy killing innocent animals. Why don't you tell cowardly hunters to do something for humans instead of wasting time and money on killing innocent animals???

What about the dogs who helped and worked many hours helping human animals after 911?

Arizona

If Vick wants forgiveness let him go to a priest. This has nothing to do with Christianity---it has to do with Vick killing dogs which is illegal. "Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and give to God what is God's". According to Jesus, this belongs to Ceasar and Vick should go to jaul. He broke the law!!!

Posted by: Ana | August 17, 2007 04:01 PM

I do not advocate any violence to a domesticated animal under no circumstances. I have been raised on a farm and around animals all my life. I must say the first time that I was sent out at 3am in the morning to kill the hog for breakfast was the most heartless thing I have had to do by myself. My younger brother had to help me in the end. I was disgusted and could not eat breakfast that morning. The most important thing was that I had to learn about life and its costs. I would not want an innocent man to go to jail for any reason. Instead I would want the sick maniac that allowed this to happen and taught this behavior to these boys and made to suffer for all our sakes. So if any deal is made make them all tell how they got started who even mentioned to them to start it and trained them to do such acts. The last statement I would make is that this was too easy. The other defendants gave in too easily and have nothing to lose and everything to gain. They are hiding more discoverable evidence in this case. I would even say paid silence and fall guy are in order. Our legal system has its flaws. When it is wrong it takes public Knowledge to expose, adjust and correct it. When public knowledge is wrong it takes legal authority evidence, pictures, reciepts, correspondence, to expose, adjust and possibly correct the same. Once these two things are answered and put to the test I will feel better altogether. My response then would be that if he is guilty his career would be over like Pete Rose and never mentioned again. My personal opinion would be for a total ban from sports in the United States of America. I would also ask the government for permanent exile for all included in this crime to justify my tax dollars being waisted on this case to any degree. I would expect the government not to let the persons who profited from this network to get away. I would want this to set new laws so that personal kennels and hording of any animal has a limit and equipment sold by merchants is registered and inspected on a regular basis just as we do guns. I support Vick if he is innocent only, but I will be an exicutioner with a black hood over my face ready to pull the lever if he is guilty. Either way he has to spill it win or lose. The end will be when we set defensive laws that will end this in our society.

Posted by: Cecil .B. Johnson Jr. II | August 17, 2007 04:28 PM

to Mars and Arizona E:
I think you two need a head wash and a R E A L bible lesson! Before you come here for nonsense go to read the whole Isaiah and Job! And know also that there are not just christians in this world but many other religions - and all have the same right - like black people, white people, red people and yellow people!!! And also animals deserve a respectful life and a respectful death - if you don't get this you are no human beings and you have no knowledge of any religion!

Posted by: Lord of the Apes | August 17, 2007 05:04 PM

Arizona,
I find it intresting that you seem to want us to have compassion for someone that has no compassion for any life at all. You are so in the dark you may never find the light! To call dog fighting a cultural past time that does not seem as bad as it is..might almost just be as stupid as what Vick did to himself. Dog fighting is as bad as you see it on TV people. To call this a pass time is SICK! Pass times are knitting, watching TV, reading a book....not watching innocent animals that have been trained to fight rip each other necks off. Maybe you either need to do more research on this or possibly you just need to stop being one of the immoral persons that partisipates in dog fighting.

As for the comment of pit bulls attacking innocent children as they ride their bikes....thats another research project go on and read about attacks by dogs you will find that not only are pits down on the list you will see that Chows, Labs, Golden retreivers are higher than pits.....the only reason you hear so much about pit attacks are because it makes better news thanks to people that are giving them such a bad name, scum bags like VICK!!!!!

As for this being a race thing people GROW UP and get more comfortable in your own skin....This is not a color thing this is a immoral, stupid thing and stupidity and immorality runs wild in every race....

Oh and Arizona people that dog fight, and abuse animals will never be what you call a brother of mine!!!!

Posted by: Dana Ponder | August 17, 2007 05:09 PM

VICK DESERVES THE DEATH PENALTY

Sincerely,
MM

Posted by: Margaret Moore | August 17, 2007 06:42 PM

We all need to stick to the subject here. If you want PETA to stand up for some of the other causes, join them and make a stand. This subject is about torturing animals and using them for money. If anyone thinks that this practice is ok for anyone, white or black, then you are truly sick and need serious counseling. Jeffrey Dahmer killed and tortured animals before he moved on
kill people. Here is another black man with money, does he get off too?

Posted by: animal angel | August 17, 2007 07:52 PM

I am disgusted to see that the feds are trying to get Vick to take a plea deal???? What he did to all of those dogs (and you know he has been doing it for longer than reported 2001) ---he should go for much more than the max 6 yrs he could get...if I had my way he would never see daylight again....anyone who hurts an animal is a sick human being that deserves to die!! I love animals and Vick sickens me!!!

Posted by: mindy | August 17, 2007 08:45 PM

As a pitbull owner i am so sickened by Mr. Vick and his codefendants. I know first hand how wonderful,smart,loving,outstanding,loyal,cute,amazing this breed is and to see them treated that way is unacceptable in my eyes there is no punishment harsh enough for these men.. i say no deals max him out on all counts and ban him from football for life tha's a decent start

Posted by: Anonymous | August 17, 2007 09:53 PM

I was trying to think of a nonemotional statement concerning the actions of Mr. Vicks and his partners. I do hope that PETA can use to case as an oppurtunity to educate the public. As for Vicks and his friends...death sentence or community work for life in a poor foreign country.

Posted by: Nancy Britten | August 17, 2007 10:23 PM

The message posted by Wolfran is just as sick as Vick. I too was an avid fan of Michael until this. And this is a big deal. Go to jail, do pass goal and do not get paid your contract. I'm sure there is an escape clause outside of his guaranteed money. Any money to him is too much. At least punish him so that others will take heed. No slap on the wrist with a minimum fine. Do the crime and do the time

Posted by: Jim | August 17, 2007 11:27 PM

To anyone posting on this site saying that we are "crazy" and "out of our minds" because we care about these poor animals who were abused, tortured and killed, why are you even on the PETA site anyway? Are you just here to cause trouble and stir things up? Those of us who are serious care about all creatures, human, animal, bird, fish, it doesn't matter. These dogs suffered a brutal existance and died brutal deaths. No living creature should have to endure that. And remember, it is human beings that caused these dogs to become this way. It is human beings who bred these dogs to fight, trained them to fight and forced them to fight. These dogs can't speak for themselves, those of us here have chosen to help be a voice for them. If you don't want to offer support for abused animals, then why don't you find another worthwhile cause, battered women, abused children, homeless people, there are hundreds of causes that could use your help and support. Do something useful with your time instead of coming to this site and posting useless messages. They serve no purpose. Maybe YOU are the ones who should THINK.

"If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men." Saint Francis of Assisi

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Ghandi

"A man's soul is judged by the way he treats his dog." Charles Doran

Posted by: Patricia | August 18, 2007 01:26 AM

Just to reply to the comments, and to the ones who replied with their opinion including explanation I greatly respect you guys for that. But let me just say, supporting Vick does not mean you support what the man may have done or did not do. But let me ask, is all this hype about destroying Vick's social/employment life a lesson for others who dwell in the same activities they are trying to convict Vick of, or is it you guys never liked VIck and now is the time to express it. I don't understand since they claim VIck had something to do with dogfighting it's a massive uproar for saving the dogs now, but it's has been going on for years now and had trials for the very same reason, why now, why this man? What about, like the previous user stated unfortunately hunting is legal. HUNTING IS LEGAL and left it like saying "oh well" afterwards. Then what about the dog pounds who puts lots of animals to sleep daily. ALso long before Vick's accusal, what about the confiscated dogs from previous dogfighters, they put those dogs asleep right away saying they are untrainable for safety of humans. No uproar and criticism on those societies. But now Vick and there is still no valid dogfighting proof that he actually did it. I guess since others allow celebrities to run their children's lives it's oh so bad for that person. Vick is barely in the media for violence or anything. The previous media upbringings was something to put in the news but nothing effecting another human's life. It's something more to this than all the commotion brings. So the next time you kill a roach, mosquito, fly, squirrel, pig, rabbit, ant ect. think about being on trial for that as well. No one caught VIck in the act of dogfighting which is a felony charge, so all the evidence supposely found, why not fine him and tell him to stop his Kennel he is running. Simple as that, no you guys want to bring in the NFL saying they condone to his mistakes, and want the man endorsement gone.

Posted by: Dan Chavous | August 18, 2007 02:17 AM

support vick
Who the hell do you think you're bullshiting except yourself??? a mans life is in danger???? on board to donate thousands of dollars of your hard earned money to peta but if vicks goes to jail the money will stay in your pocket??? get the hell going YOU WACKO LIAR!!!!

Posted by: observer | August 18, 2007 09:24 AM

angel
why are you wasting your time and energy posting here when you could be out protesting the war????
what makes you think that some peta people aren't protesting the war too?
answers please!!!!! waiting.......

Posted by: observer | August 18, 2007 09:45 AM

We should all contact the prosecutor's office and leave messages against giving Michael Vick the plea deal. A very polite message saying we as animal lovers and owners speak for those who can't. No society should cut anyone a break that chooses to hose down an animal and electrocute it. Brutality is brutality and he should not be rewarded with a plea. Let's all call!!!

Posted by: Pam Moyer | August 18, 2007 09:59 AM

tracey vick supporter

half of my yard is a cemetery with dead animals I picked up off the road. other animal activists and some not do too. no orders are needed from you!!!!!

how do you figure peta is able to stop on the spot dog attacks???? you know nothing 'cuz your sick vick brain can't see anything peta does before or after attacks happen about the owners and the law!!! protesting vick. supporting legal action!!!! point made!!!

Posted by: observer | August 18, 2007 11:58 AM

I don't understand why people are coming to this site and criticizing those of us who have compassion for animals. And it is frightening to read comments such as, "it is only a freaking dog," or "its his dog, he can do what he wants with it". It is pathetic that people think this way. If someone does not choose to fight for the rights of animals, well, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of worthwhile causes to fight for. Why don't some of you fight for battered women or abused children or the homeless, instead of coming here and posting messages that serve no purpose other than to stir things up? Animal lovers are caring, compassionate people who care about all living creatures, human, animal, bird, fish, it doesn't matter... we care. We all have to choose a battle, why don't those of you who criticize do the same?

"If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men." Saint Francis of Assisi

Posted by: Patricia | August 18, 2007 02:47 PM

I HOPE IT IS 5 YEARS PER DOG.

Posted by: Nancy Britten | August 18, 2007 05:22 PM

Let's assume that a plea from Vick is imminent. If he offers money to PETA, Humane Society, etc. and animal rights orgs accept the money, they've failed. Blood money is blood money no matter how many innocent animals it makes well or saves. Don't take money from Vick or his lawyers. Hypocrisy wears poorly, no matter how soft or colorful the cloth.

Posted by: Byron Baker | August 18, 2007 07:52 PM

pull off his arms and legs, if he's still alive, electrocute him---if he's still alive, drown him---if he's still alive, shoot him.

Posted by: george g. | August 18, 2007 10:31 PM

I invite Mr. Michael Vick himself to read this..
I am writing this , not as a response, not as slander, but as a plea to Mr. Vick.

I am a dog owner....(and yes.... a pit bull owner) I am thoroughly sickened by your accusations. Letme start by saying, I was a wrong side of the tracks type. I come from a poor blue collar family, got in myfair share of trouble, I even did a stint inprison. The great thing about people though, is we, as humans, can recognize or imperfections. You, Mr. Vick, have either ignored or don't really care about yours. You apparently have no consideration for life. whatever God you believe in, you have ignored. I have seen the effects of people with your train of thought. As I said, I am a pitbull owner. I rescued my friend from the type of people you associate with. I have enjoyed my friends company for 2 1/2 yrs now, loving him for the true loving companion he is, yet still he has the mark of neglect and abuse. He is the mildest mannered dog I have ever come into contact with, yet he still bears scars, he is still barren of hair in spots. He greets me every day when I come home with a renewed confidence though, because he knows he will not be hit. Hewillnotbe beat. He has no expectations to him other than to be a good dog. You have not only robbed the dogs you apparently sent to slaughter of their happiness, you have robbed countless pet LOVERS of a lifetime of joy. Your disregard for life deeply disturbs me....and apparently it runs through your veins. Your own brother found it acceptable to step on another mans leg while wearing football spikes. You are apparently the worst of the worst kind of person. I invite you, if dogs or any other kind of life are of no concern, to offer up your mother, your wife, your children to participate in a live fight. Perhaps a trained fighter, perhaps one our soldiers that selfishly fight for your rights as an American. Perhaps they can battle your offspring in a dark carpeted room. And in the instance they perform poorly, you can drown them, or electrocute them. Maybe even slam them on the ground until the good Lord's mercy says they,ve had enough.That , Mr. Vick, would certainly be OK by your standards.Afterall, you can always breed another.

Posted by: Craig Hubbartt | August 19, 2007 02:59 AM

If Vick doesn't "serve" at least 5 to 7 years this will be a true injustice !

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2007 11:43 AM

Am I missing something here? Isn't this pathetic waste a murderer? Michael "ICK" should do jail time, anything less is justice turning a deaf ear and blind eye! NO PLEA, what happened to do the crime do the time. He did the crime, now it's time for him to do the time!
If not, his plea should be as follows:
Throw his naked body, hands cuffed, in a room full of hungry dogs, pour steak sauce on his weiner, and see who's left standing!

Posted by: Megan Hart | August 19, 2007 07:50 PM

This sick sadistic man should NOt get away with a slap on the wrist. He needs to go to jail because what he really needs done to him is what he did to those poor dogs.

Posted by: Sheila | August 19, 2007 10:45 PM

To quote a lady who called into a sports radio show yesterday, "Michael Vick is a piece of crap!" They should lock him up and throw away the key. He is decidedly STUPID!

Posted by: Steve | August 20, 2007 12:02 AM

I think he did it too. Dead dogs on the property. Come on. Not to change the supject but what americans do you mean? North,central or south? I think you mean United states

Posted by: Jerry | August 20, 2007 12:09 AM

Please post. If the allegations are true, Michael Vick should not be treated with kid gloves. He should do EVERY SECOND of the maximum sentence. I am a life long lover of mans best friend and will not accept this crime being treated as trivial because the victims were "only dogs" or because of Vicks status as a (in my oppinion overated) football player. That said...
It bothers me that the web site for an organization whose members have been known to break the law (B & E, vandalism, assault, etc) are now calling on the courts to follow the law to the letter. If you wish to be taken at all seriously, stop being hypocrites. Michael Vick is, and this is quite well documented, an ass. That does not make him guilty. He is due his day in court. I've read here, how some (I do realize that not all PETA members subscribe to this) would have Vick tortured. Sorry, but you lost me with that. Are PETA members and Amnesty International now at odds?
I support, whole heartedly, the movement for recognizing the inherent rights of all of Gods creation. I would love to openly support PETA and it's main goals. PETA, however, will never get my financial or personal support as long as it's members would support such actions as those championed by too many of the posters here.
I honestly have such fear of reprisals for this (I feel) even handed post, that I refuse to leave my name or email address. Shame that a true animal lover who would love to support such an organization has to write such a sentence.
I will check this page again to see if reason wins out. To call those of you (not all of you, again I realize that not all PETA supporters are sociopaths) who advocate overly extreme measures in response to this crime assholes, is to do a grave injustice to assholes everywhere.
Get truly humane, and perhaps the millions of people like myself who love animals but do not advocate voilence of ANY type will start supporting PETA financially and at the polls.

Posted by: Some dude... | August 20, 2007 01:57 AM

Thank you, George G. I doubt you will hear from Mr. Vick but thank you from my heart for your honesty, integrity and -- above all --humanity.

Posted by: Sheila | August 20, 2007 02:54 AM

grew up in Alexandria, VA... and i can tell you first hand that the commonwealth of VA is a great place to buy your way out of any crime. I hope to see him do all the time.
but in VA if youve got the $$$ you've got a 'get out of jail free' card.
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Posted by: justin wood | August 20, 2007 03:01 PM

I find it very offensive that we would even think about the possibility of letting this individual back in the NFL after a short time in prison (If any) and a minimal fine. (For him). He is a very cruel and mean person that dosen't deserve to get any plea deal. Animals are a gift from God and we make them into what we want them to be.That can be good or bad... We should be ashamed of ourselves for putting up with this kind of behavior...I say give him the max....he doesn't deserve any better....and he should NEVER be allowed the opportunity to play football again....

Posted by: Iris | August 20, 2007 03:07 PM

We all know Michael Vick won't serve a day in jail, and money doesn't mean anything to this or any other over paid athlete, so I've come up with an idea. Vick should be forced to open an animal shelter in his home town, funded by him and his buddies, too. Then they should be sentenced to work there for 8 to 12 hours a day for the next 20 years or so. There might even be a lesson or two in a sentence like this. Humanity, conscience, etc.

Posted by: mary | August 20, 2007 06:25 PM

We all know Michael Vick won't serve a day in jail, and money doesn't mean anything to this or any other over paid athlete, so I've come up with an idea. Vick should be forced to open an animal shelter in his home town, funded by him and his buddies, too. Then they should be sentenced to work there for 8 to 12 hours a day for the next 20 years or so. There might even be a lesson or two in a sentence like this. Humanity, conscience, etc.

Posted by: mary | August 20, 2007 06:25 PM

Let the dogs have vick in a backyard, all 55 of them. Let the killing begin. See how it feels and lets take some good pics of them ripping him to shreds, and let the blood fly. I would love to watch that and put my bet on the dogs. Vick is a sick evil soul. rot in hell. I love PETA!!!!! Protect our animals. They are so innocent.

Posted by: Patti Hughes | August 20, 2007 11:34 PM

I can't believe what I am reading. I am a christian and believe in the love of GOD's creatures but I also realize we are living in the days warned before. Where men will love the things of this world more than each other and more than GOD. Katrina victims still have nothing and are commiting suicide. 4 black kids we're victimized in Newark by illegals. As an african American I cannot understand why when African-Americans do things it becomes so vile.But you know lindsay lohan has cocaine or the fact paris hilton didn't serve a stupid 45 days. Trust me we don't get off like you think and I had family members that fought dogs and went to jail and there was no 5 yr sentence. V-tech is still remembered but not the kids in Newark or the black kids slained in Atlanta some bodies still havent been found.Crap happens to ppl everyday and there are so many victims of dog attacks.Pit-bulls, no matter how loving the owner will attack and have attacked. In the south old wht men used to train there dogs to attack blacks and I am only 24 I remember running from preachers dogs. And mrs. Janet"demon muts" I called them. I was only 9 and those dogs would have killed me. Are ppl with dogs that attack not liable. You all use words in Reference to Vicks behavior as if he was a serial killer and you keep attaching him to the killings even though the cousin and friends admitted to it. Please don't think this was a fair trial. It was racially stirred and hatefully set up. Peta and all the other organizations should be sued for slander. This was too much and to tell you the truth if he had been wht none of this would have happened. Why? because it happens everyday and no one cares. The way you analyze dog-fighters as future killers so have your children been analyzed. And if race isn't a factor watch what you say. Some words only bring back old attitudes. { Those ppl,sub-human,etc) I hope that there are no christians behind this cause I promise you your not in GODS favor with that much hatred. Vick turned from GOD he is paying the price but instead of hate how many prayed. Locking everyone up isn't alwasy the solution in this country. Vic's snitches may have a hard time in prison. And seriously ppl you do not represent the incarcerated, only they have the right to say,"he should get the same time we did". But dog-fighters usually don't.Heck! killers get out before half of the prison population. And by the way we will never know if he is innocent or guilty when PETA put pressure on everyone and all the witnesses gave in to plea deals. When you have no one on your side your not left with too many options. Everything I wrote isn't about his guilt or innocence it's questioning the angle of all this hatred and the hatred you are teaching the kids who really could care less!! Now PETA you owe it to everyone to go after all animal killers but your solution better cause change because all locked up will eventually gt out and trust me the thugs on the streets are nothing more than the same ppl we gave up on in society. Congragulations you now have offically began the cycle of decay!! oh Aand dont think all blacks support blacks vick is wrong for any participation but to go this far is stupid! please lie and say white killers don't have a fan base. We dont support killers we get angry over the attitude surrounding the trials and manners in which they are conducted.This is the time PETA should have spoken you know only what you are told nothing more.

Posted by: svnfordelta | August 21, 2007 12:29 PM

I agree with Mary about the shelter. The only thing,though, there needs to be a supervisor to run the shelter. I wouldn't trust Vick to be close to animals.
I wish he was executed, but in reality at least hope he gets 10 years.

Posted by: Jordana | August 22, 2007 12:27 AM

The Vick supporters aren't arguing his innocence; they are arguing the morality of his actions and whether or not the law can serve him justly.

The majority will prevail and the emotionally-criminal animal lovers will have to deal with it.

Posted by: KoCav | August 23, 2007 12:56 PM

Michael Vick will be the example that the NFL does care enough to ban him.

Posted by: mdw | August 23, 2007 09:16 PM

I hope that I have found some people with common sense.

I don't know if you are aware of it or not, but AC360 had a panel on the other night made up of Jeffrey Toobin and Stephen A. Smith from ESPN, neither one seemed to really support the animal side of the issue.

My problem with the discussion was the fact that Toobin complained that we, the viewing public, are paying too much attention to this animal abuse case and not enough attention is paid to the abuse of women by athletes. Some people emailed the show and were upset that Toobin would bring that issue up when this is about the abuse of animals so he said that those viewers were "out of their minds," well needless to say it has started up quite a controversy with the Toobin supporters saying that animal lovers are putting animals ahead of people.

I went into a few of the Anderson Cooper blogfansites to say that Toobin was out of line and I got repeatedly trashed. These women are so worried about impressing Anderson Cooper that they will trash anyone who disagrees with his panelists. Frankly, I am not so sure he agreed with Toobin's remarks.

I am not saying animals are more important than people, but they claim that's what I meant because I said Toobin was out of line.

Do these women sound crazy to anyone else?

Posted by: JAM | August 24, 2007 01:03 AM

I have so many comments about what I have read, that I barely know where to start!Unfortunately, the first thing that I must say, is directed toward both the supporters of Vick, and the detractors. People are usually much more willing to listen to your point of view if what you wright is at least somewhat correct gramatically and your spelling is correct. Sorry; I simply know that people are more apt to respect your opinion if you sound like you might know how to express your opinion in an educated manner.

I am so sorry that my preface was off subject. First let me say that I am not currently nor have ever been a member of PETA. My opinions are strictly my own, and often differ from those of this organization. (I hope that this will be posted anyway!)

Dog and cock fighting are really the last bastions of "accepted" cruelty by humans. One sign of possible future cruelty against humans is an individuals curiosity and ability to torture and kill an animal. This is sometimes called sociopathy. The curiosity of causing the pain and then death of another living creature often leads to violece against other human beings. I don't, however believe that all sociopaths move on to kill people. Sometimes, the lust for blood and cruelty is satisfied by limiting it to helpless animals.

Granted, dog-fighting was once considered a sport. So was pitting a bull against a bear, a wild cat against a human, and not the least, one human in a fight to the death with another human. These times have passed. Or should have.

Blood lust in a human being, regardless of race or background, should be worrisome to every one around that person.

Cruelty to another creature is and should be against the law. Yes, technically speaking, our pets are property. That does not give anyone the right to torture or kill the animal that they "own".

This is for "Mars" and "Ed". It is my understanding that the bible says that humans hold providence over and may use the beasts for their needs. I believe that this was meant for sacrifice to God, (which hasn't really been a mainstream practice in a few thousand years), and to provide sustinance. I have personally never heard anyone say that they fought dogs and then proceded to eat the flesh of the loser and then use the hide to clothe themselves.

I know people who raise beef, and I know for a fact that the cattle are never tortured and trained to kill before they are quickly and as kindly as possible put down. Once they are, every possible part is used, and nothing is wasted. Never have they electroluted their cattle to death.

All of the talk about the Civil war is just plain assinine. No, the war was not begun to free the slaves, that was (as it should have been long before), a benefit. But no one can deny that before the war, human beings were considered property, and could be used in any way that their "owners" saw fit. Thankfully, that has been behind us (except for the rememberance) for a very long time. Unfortunately some people still consider those living creatures who can't speak out, theirs to do with as they choose.

How would you like to feel a cattle prod inserted into your rectum? How would you like to be beaten, starved and neglected, then sent to your job knowing that if you didn't kill your co-worker, you would be drowned, or have your head bashed against a wall until you were so injured that you would be left to suffer until you died? The fact that you can speak out in your own defense doesn't mean that these things couldn't happen. Anyone remember the Holocaust?

No, I am not equating the losses of human life to that of these poor animals. What I am trying to do is make people understand that cruelty in any form is wrong.

Some people seem to think that compasion for people and animals can't co-exist. In my opinion, there is a special place in Hell for those who pray on the most innocent, those with no voice, Children and Animals. Vick and his cohorts deserve the same treatment as anyone else who preys on the innocent. Fighting dogs are made that way, not born. I know how it is to be abused as a child, and I would wish the same punnishment for Vick as would for my abuser. Unfortunately, those who are unable to protect themselves don't always get the justice that they deserve.

I know that some think that Vick is being unfairly targeted because of his celebrity. I believe that he is actually getting better treatment because of who he is than those who don't have a public name. As with those who were involved in the same enterprise, he should be held to the same standard. Actually a harsher standard because he chose to become a public figure, and thus must have thought himself untouchable.

I am an avid fan of professional football, and have read a quote by the coach of the Detroit Lions that he would be welcomed back to the game and even fought over by some twenty teams. I can honestly say that were he to be allowed back into NFL, I might have to stop being a fan. I am aware that there have been many indescretions by NFL team members, including spousal abuse, and the possiblilty of vehicular homicide. If any of those players were playing for my team, I would loose all respect and have to pull my endorsement. But the fact is that this man deliberatly tortured and killed innocent beings. That would be the end for me.

Anyone who believes that this is racially motivated or motivated by name recognition should hear me say, loud and clear, that were it up to me, anyone connected to dog fighting in any way, would be strung up by the,(excuse this), balls until they became disconnected and he fell to the ground.

Thank you for giving people a voice.

E.

Posted by: E. in VT | August 24, 2007 05:17 AM

KOCAV... correction: you mean immoral minority

you're right, tho, in that Vick supporters were not arguing his innocence because in light of the mounds of incriminating evidence they really couldn't although there was an onslaught of desparate attempts to do so...

Sounds like you have a problem with Michael Vick and his evil posse being held "accountable" for their depraved, illegal actions, AND even more of a problem with those who are responsible for and a party to making it happen!

are you in denial or what?! the moral majority IS ruling!

your ignorant, feeble attempt to defame those who are outraged by the heinous abuse of so many dogs and bait animals doesn't work!
It only proves YOU to be the emotional-criminal here. Get real.

Posted by: 007 | August 25, 2007 04:24 PM

JAM...

IT IS A COMMON sATANIC DIVERSIONARY PLOY TO USE LAME COMPARISONS MEANT TO GET OFF TOPIC AND CONFUSE!

A COMPASSIONATE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION HAS SPOKEN LOUD AND CLEAR IN LIGHT OF MICHAEL VICK'S DEPRAVED ACTIONS, AND SUBSEQUENTLY AN ALL OUT, ONGOING, SATANIC STRATEGEM TO MANIPULATE AND CONTROL THIS COMPASSIONATE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION IS AT WORK TO QUIET THE PRESENT OUTRAGE AND REGAIN CONTROL IN ORDER TO KEEP THE PUBLIC DECEIVED AS WE ONCE WERE RE THE EXTENT AND HORRORS OF DOGFIGHTING AND...
TO PROTECT ITS SHADY PARTICIPANTS AND SUPPORTERS.

IT'S LIKE OPEN SEASON AND sATAN'S DELUSIONAL, SELFRIGHTEOUS MINIONS ARE OUT EN FORCE PONTIFICATING THE SAMO,SAMO TIRADES LOADED WITH THE SAMO, SAMO WEAK ARGUMENTS AND SAMO, SAMO IGNORANT COMPARISONS. (SOUND LIKE BRAINWASHING TO YOU?!!)
ITS MEANT TO BE.

...
A WAR IN THE HEAVENLIES SO TO SPEAK.

Posted by: 007 | August 25, 2007 08:13 PM

Okay, Michael is guilty - now all of you animal lovers can go celebrate it. You people are killing me. All of the wrongs done to humans - mainly kids - and you're all ranting/raving, "imploring" certain offices to put restrictions on what Michael Vick can or cannot do - about dogs? Are you people missing some marbles? PEOPLE need people to fight on their behalf - what are you doing to help them? What are you doing right in your own cities & neighborhoods to help humankind? And for those of you wanting to argue biblical/religious points....don't. God would have a person put to death in the O.T. quicker than you can blink an eye - once when a man gathered wood on the Sabbath, once when a sacrifice wasn't up to HIS standards, and on and on. And BY THE WAY, sacrifices were always animals. Thousands of them sacrificed because that was God's commands. Guess you people have arrived and TRULY know the mind of God. Hmmmm, guess for you people and PETA God would be on trial, huh?! Get a life. If Michael Vick was NOT well known, this case would have only been in the media for a day or so. And you people who are oh so happy about his "due punishment"?....Don't misunderstand this statement: YOU HAVE GREATER AND FAR WORSE ISSUES THAN HE DOES!!! Don't even try to exclude yourself. If you're gloating about it - you've got issues. His actions are out in the open for all to see - & to judge (because you're all so righteous you can do that, huh?)but most of you? You're no better. And if you think just because you're standing up for the rights of animals or whatever else you're doing that places you "oh so high above those who don't live so righteously as you" (smirk)- your time will come. Don't doubt it. Find something worthwhile to do with your lives and time. Obviously you haven't yet.

Posted by: payton | August 27, 2007 05:04 PM

For Payton; I told myself that I was finnished with commenting on this site, but I was apparently mistaken, because when I read your post, I simply had to respond.

First of all, I origionally logged on to this site to find more information re: Vick and what was happening in his case. As I'm sure you've noticed, this site contains no real news, but simply opinions. When I started to read some of these opinions, I felt the need to respond. Once. I have re-visited this site rarely, mostly to see if anyone had responded to my post, and in the hope that cooler heads might have started to prevail. I was obviously mistaken.

As I stated in my previous posting, I firmly believe that there should be a special corner of hell reserved for those who prey on the most innocent of creatures; children and animals. I do not believe that you have the right to assume that just because someone is concerned about the treatment of an animal, they are not also concerned about the fate of their fellow human beings. Some of us have enough empathy to care about all living creatures, human and otherwise.

As to your opinion that only animals have been sacrificed in the name of God, you are mistaken. All through history, you will find examples of human sacrifice offered up to various Gods. I don't pretend to know the mind of "God", but I truely doubt that you know where His/Her thoughts are either.

What people are capable of doing to one another is truely horrific, but what they feel the right to do to those who can't fight back is atrocious. Unfortunately, those who are able to inflict pain and suffering on an animal who wants nothing more than to please, are all too often the same ones who go on to do harm to the most innocent of their own species.

You are correct in stating that were Michael Vick not a public persona, this story would probably not have recieved the kind of coverage that it has. Only, you should understand that to have such a public name associated with this kind of atrocity is actually a potentially good thing. Vick's name has led to a very public dialog about something that has been mostly in the shadows for far too long. This man, and all of the others like him, need to be held publically, and leagaly,responsible for their actions. Maybe this will jump start peoples awareness of a greusome practice that needs to stop.

By the way; the fact that you took the same kind of time to leave your posting that others have done, may indicate that you should also find something better to do with your life and your time,(Shelter volunteer perhaps?)Because, you obviously haven't found anything worthwhile either.

Posted by: E.VT | October 9, 2007 04:05 AM

I think George G is the shit! You said it!!
I have 30 pittys and if anyone tryed to fucking fight them or anything like that i would kill them so it shouldnt be so different if they are not my dogs...he should die a slow and painful death strung up by his ball with rusty hooks, showered down then electrocuted at the same time his eyes being pryed out with spoons,and then pull out all of his teeth one by one, and if all my dogs were not so friendly feed the fucker to them!!
What more can i say humm... Karma is a bitch

Posted by: 30 Dogs | November 16, 2007 01:58 AM