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Vick to Plead Guilty
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Vick has admitted his guilt: Michael Vick has accepted a plea deal—with a likely prison sentence—to avoid additional federal charges related to a professional dogfighting operation, one of his attorneys says.
We’re still awaiting details, but please know this: if a celebrity with Vick's money and teams of lawyers has to serve time for dog fighting, then anyone else who fights dogs had better head for the hills.
When Vicks co-defendants entered their plea agreements on Friday, yet more details came out about the dogs being hanged by the neck until death. It is chilling stuff, so kudos to the media outlets who covered it without vomiting.
This article by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, for instance, is very good in a tough to read way. Here’s a powerful excerpt:
They were hung from trees in the woods behind Michael Vick's house, eight dogs left there to die, kicking and screaming.The pit bulls had made the mistake of failing the test. They weren't mean enough, quick enough, strong enough in the ring, so they were of no more use to Vick's Bad Newz dogfighting operation.
Imagine, killing a dog because it's just too nice.
Five of the dogs finally kicked their last breaths away as the ropes cut deeper and deeper into their throats. Three somehow clung to life.
Vick and two of his henchmen, growing impatient, cut those three down and one by one shoved their heads into five-gallon buckets filled with water, drowning them to finish them off.
Try keeping your breakfast down after hearing that report on ESPN.
The inhumanity, the callousness, the abuse of these innocent, helpless animals is almost beyond comprehension.
There is something you can do PETA is pushing the NFL to add cruelty to animals—in all its forms—to its "Personal Conduct Policy." This case has shown that NFL fans are just as disgusted by cruelty to animals as by any of the other antisocial behaviors outlined in the policy. Click here to contact the NFL now!
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I'm no dog fanatic, so "keeping my breakfast down" wasn't a challenge at all. I agree, that dogfighting is cruel (not inhumane, doesn't that require humans?) and wrong, but I'm not going to sit here and overreact like these PETA people.
There are more serious things going on in the world. So those who want to condemn Vick and his defendants to death, you really need to re-examine your logic, because it's being clouded. Not to sound unsympathetic, but when your dog dies you can always buy another.
Posted by: Justin | August 20, 2007 04:00 PM
I'm glad that he finally admitted what a cold-hearted bastard he is, but it's still a shame that he won't face the maximum penalty. It's odd how the world seems to fight hardest for the criminals... I'm really disappointed in the justice system. All of the animals that he tortured and killed, and he'll likely face less than 1 year in jail and a sissy little fine.
Posted by: Brianna Fritchey | August 20, 2007 04:02 PM
Unreal....Vick should not be allowed to plead guilty, to easy. He shouldn't even make it out of the courtroom. They ought to take him out to the woods and do to the piece of garbage (no longer should be classified as a human being) and have done to him what he did to those dogs.
It turns my stomach what he did and the fact he will get his wrist slapped....he should be promptly executed. By the way to those of you who prtest the death penalty...it wouldn't really be an execution...just taking out the trash.
Posted by: Shane | August 20, 2007 04:13 PM
I hope he serves time in prison . I am thrilled the pressure was turned up on him forcing him to acknowledge his guilt. No he should never play again. Guess what, he disappointed many and nobody is going to drown or electrocute him. Wish the dogs had the same treatment.
Posted by: Julie Donovan | August 20, 2007 04:19 PM
I do think that dogfighting is immoral. Is jail time really necessary for this? Michael Vick is not a menace to society. If Michael Vick is going to jail then anyone who has a hunting license should go as well. The media is persecuting him so badly for this but look at how many animals die each year and nobody says anything about it. Look at the large mount of wildlife that dies each year for no reason; the endangered animals list grows every year. It does not matter whether the wildlife dies a quick death,or a torturous one, as depicted in the charges. The bottom line is that innocent animals die each and every year, but why does Michael Vick go to jail for it while every hunter and poacher gets away with it? Hunting is legal but dogfighting isn't. hmmmmm......sounds like we are a bunch of hypocrites. Michael Vick is wrong. No doubt about it; however, if hunting licenses are given, then why should Vick serve jail time?
Posted by: Bryan Johnson | August 20, 2007 04:22 PM
This story is so upsetting and infuriating. You didn't mention the rape rooms for the dogs which were set up for Michael Vick's pleasure to watch. He is a devil, a sick man, and had everything which shows that everything does not bring happiness. Having everything made him want more power which he could only get from a helpless dog and watching it suffer. I hate this man.
Posted by: Angel Nelaridi | August 20, 2007 04:23 PM
why does my comment have to be approved so you can only post comments that supports your view......spend your time defending children who cares about animals they are made for eating and working.....
Posted by: Mike Vick | August 20, 2007 04:24 PM
Anyone who still supports Vick is sick and inhumane. He had better be in jail for the maximum. No mercy for him...there was no mercy for the dogs!
Posted by: Rachel Palmer | August 20, 2007 04:26 PM
It's ashamed that your website is one sided and bias. I don't believe your protests would be so vigorous in the afro-american neighborhoods. Which is why you arrange protests on Park Ave, Rodeo Drive and other upscale, white establishments
Posted by: Ron | August 20, 2007 04:28 PM
Why do you care so much about an animal and don't protest or standup for all the human suffering that goes on in the world? Before sticking your neck out for the 4 legged creatures of the world - try sticking out for the child that 7 dying in Africa.
Posted by: one | August 20, 2007 04:35 PM
I really would have like to see this go to court! The animals that he took part in killing will never have a day in court, or a plea bargin so why should he? The only thing that this will settle is the supporters can no longer scream "innocent until proven quilty"!!! Now it is time for the NFL to stand up and do what it right "SACK VICK".... I do not think that after time served a nice paying job should be waiting in the wings.
The NFL claims to have a certain code ethics that you must uphold to play for them.. VICK no longer meets the standards needed to be a pro football player...So now the NFL needs to act!!!
LETS PUSH THE NFL HARDER TO SACK VICK!!!!!!
Posted by: Dana | August 20, 2007 04:45 PM
All the things that were done to dogs described in that article....are going on NOW!
In the back woods of Georgia, in an abandoned house in Detroit, at that "pulling dog breeder's" in suburbia.
It goes on and on and on every day.
UNTIL THE LAWS CHANGE.
We all need to call, write, email our legislators to demand stricter laws and stronger punishments against dog fighting.
But we also need to demand breeder licensing, inspections, rules, regulations. Because most dog fighting businesses are operating behind the false fronts of being "reputable" breeders or "show dog" breeders.
It's a con.
And the AKC and assorted similar groups will lobby FOR the interests of dog fighters (and puppy millers too!)
(Just as an example, the AKC is in FAVOR of chaining dogs 24/7, which is the preferred kennel method of dog fighter breeders. The AKC actually opposes anti-chaining laws. Sick but true!)
The AKC will coach its ranting hordes on how to defeat ACCOUNTABILITY for breeders.
They want to keep the status quo, in other words, ZERO regulation for breeders who torture, kill, abuse, and make lots of money. Often UNTAXED.
It's all about the money!
Posted by: kelly | August 20, 2007 04:57 PM
I hope he likes tossed salads!!
Posted by: gretchen | August 20, 2007 05:01 PM
His actions are a disgrace! He has no business being among humans when his actions have been inhumane to the prevention and cruelty to animals. He ought to be banned from professional sports. His earnings thus far --from both pro sports & his "sick" side show of dog- fighting-- will have to carry him through the remainder of his life.
Yes, there may be other serious issues in our world today yet this is still among them. Again, he's a disgrace!!!!!
Posted by: furious | August 20, 2007 05:03 PM
As role models NFL players should act in a way that is honorable.The biggest punishment we can give to Vick is taking what he loves the most, his NFL jersey. He should be banned for life from the NFL and any other football league. Jail time is not enough!!! The dogs that he killed demand everything...only his career will do!
Posted by: Eyleen | August 20, 2007 05:05 PM
He should get 8 years in prison - one year for each innocent dog he killed. And who cares if his career ends. He should have never particpated in dogfighting in the first place.
Posted by: Anna | August 20, 2007 05:16 PM
What is wrong with these Cretins., what possible use are they to the world. All animal abusers everywhere should be blown somewhere beyond Mars.
Posted by: keith | August 20, 2007 05:17 PM
One, PETA is an acronym for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. The mandate of their focus is on animal protection and animal rights, and that's why all the topics here are animal related. There are many injustices in the world, starvation being one of them. And there are many groups that address that issue. Since meat animals consume the bulk of our grain production, going vegetarian (if you're not already one) would free up food resources which could be used to help feed the world's hungry.
Bryan, I think you answered your own questions. If Vick had been hunting legally and that's all he had been doing, he wouldn't be going to prison. But he was committing an illegal action and is therefore liable to punishment and jail time. Since you think dogfighting is immoral, the hypocrisy rests with the law itself. Many PETA members do protest hunting, but at the moment, and based on certain parameters, it is still a legal activity.
Posted by: Mike Quinoa | August 20, 2007 05:22 PM
I have a 1 1/2 year old pit (Bella) whom I love more than anything in the world. It more than pisses me off that a person can be so inconsiderate to another living being than to fight a dog. If he wanted to see a fight he should have put his ass in one. A pit bull does not automatically fight. I am tiered of people raising dogs to fight and kill. It is not right. I have to put a muzzle on my beautiful baby because of dumb ass people like this football player. I have a 2 year old son who looks up to people like this (sports people) I don't think the NFL should let him be in the position he is in. I don't think he is sorry for what he has done. He is sorry he got caught. I don't think he should get any special treatment, if anything he should be made an example of. He should be charged with anything they can. This is not one dog, one fight or one bad decision. It was done over and over again.
Posted by: Tina Lee Ferrusquia | August 20, 2007 05:26 PM
First of all Jason that was the moat idiotic thing I have ever heard!!!! (Its not inhumane because humans werent involved) Who caused all this b%*& S%#%!!! A HUMAN!!!! IF that what you want to call him. And if you hate PETA so much than why are you on this website you moron. Anyway Vick sucks and should be tought a good and hard lesson. We should make him a warning and example to everyone else who fights dogs or is thinking about it!!! WE HAVE NO TOLERENCE FOR ANIMAL CRUELTY!!!!!
Posted by: Erin | August 20, 2007 05:35 PM
First of all Jason that was the moat idiotic thing I have ever heard!!!! (Its not inhumane because humans werent involved) Who caused all this b%*& S%#%!!! A HUMAN!!!! IF that what you want to call him. And if you hate PETA so much than why are you on this website you moron. Anyway Vick sucks and should be tought a good and hard lesson. We should make him a warning and example to everyone else who fights dogs or is thinking about it!!! WE HAVE NO TOLERENCE FOR ANIMAL CRUELTY!!!!!
oops I meant Justin. See no one cares to much about your stupid comments! HAAA
Posted by: Erin | August 20, 2007 05:37 PM
First of all Jason that was the moat idiotic thing I have ever heard!!!! (Its not inhumane because humans werent involved) Who caused all this b%*& S%#%!!! A HUMAN!!!! IF that what you want to call him. And if you hate PETA so much than why are you on this website you moron. Anyway Vick sucks and should be tought a good and hard lesson. We should make him a warning and example to everyone else who fights dogs or is thinking about it!!! WE HAVE NO TOLERENCE FOR ANIMAL CRUELTY!!!!!
oops I meant Justin. See no one cares to much about your stupid comments! HAAA
Posted by: Erin | August 20, 2007 05:37 PM
Justin
Cruelty to animals is not diminished because cruelty to humans exists. Cruelty is horrible no matter which species suffers and should not be acceptable to humans with developed sensibilities. Cruelty to both non-human and human animals is caused by all humans. Sadistic torture and treatment of all animals should be of concern to everyone. About those "serious things going on in the world" well, what are waiting for, go and do something about it. This is AN ANIMAL RIGHTS BLOG, BTW.
Bryan
Why don't you ask your state and federal governments why hunting is legal? All animal advocates would like to know why human society guarantees idiot cowardly hunters the legal means to kill innocent animals. Hunters spend thousands of dollars to maim and kill innocent animals when that money could be put to better non-violent use. Animal advocates oppose hunting and protest it despite its being legal. Yes, innocent animals are dying in the wild but that again is due to human greed and cruelty and the destruction of the environment. Please ask those that are killing innocent animals why THEY kill with no compunction.
Vick should serve more than 6 years; he is a monster and an unfeeling demented idiot.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 05:39 PM
Vick should be put in a rape stand right next to O.J!
Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 05:40 PM
i agree that dog fighting is cruel but peta is a joke. people make mistakes to say the things you people have said are silly. i hope mr. vick serves his time and comes back to the nfl and does everything in his power to make peta look like the joke it is. thank you
Posted by: sam | August 20, 2007 05:42 PM
Once Vick is banned from the NFL (and I hope to God he is), we and PETA need to make sure that the CFL and AFL won't sign him on, either! In addition, I hope no NCAA school hires him as a trainer, coach, etc.!
As far as all of those Vick supporters who keep writing in (at least those not working for breeders, the AKC or the CCF)...I DO care about humanity, most if not all of us do! I admit, there is probably a handful here that has quite frankly given up on humanity. When soldiers die and children starve and all people care about is Lindsay's rehab or Britney's extensions, it's hard not to give up. But I think caring about animals is part of being a humane person (and just for the record I am also pro-life and anti-death penalty).
If you question whether we care MORE about animals than people, I ask you this: when is the last time you saw an animal lover become a serial killer?
Posted by: BullyDawg | August 20, 2007 05:43 PM
Once Vick is banned from the NFL (and I hope to God he is), we and PETA need to make sure that the CFL and AFL won't sign him on, either! In addition, I hope no NCAA school hires him as a trainer, coach, etc.!
As far as all of those Vick supporters who keep writing in (at least those not working for breeders, the AKC or the CCF)...I DO care about humanity, most if not all of us do! I admit, there is probably a handful here that has quite frankly given up on humanity. When soldiers die and children starve and all people care about is Lindsay's rehab or Britney's extensions, it's hard not to give up. But I think caring about animals is part of being a humane person (and just for the record I am also pro-life and anti-death penalty).
If you question whether we care MORE about animals than people, I ask you this: when is the last time you saw an animal lover become a serial killer?
Posted by: BullyDawg | August 20, 2007 05:43 PM
I AGREE WITH YOU ALL HE WILL GET WHAT HE DESERVES AND FOR THOSE INOCENT DOGS THAT HE AND HIS FRIENDS KILLED, THEY ARE IN HEAVEN BECAUSE ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVE REMEMBER? FOR YOU VICK THEY SHUOLD DO THE SAME AS YOU DID THOSE POOR BABIES.
Posted by: GLENDA | August 20, 2007 05:46 PM
It saddens me to know that live in world with people that see no wrong in what Vick and his buddies have done. You do not have to be an extreme animal lover to know that a person capable of hanging an innocent animal and watching it struggle for freedom is sick! These people are monsters and I promise you they dont stop at abusing animals it carries on into the human race...ever noticed how all serial killers abused animals when they were little? Animals teach children compassion for life in general, and people like vick are a threat to society when they teach children by their own actions that hurting innocent things is ok. Not only should VICK & HIS BUDDIES pay for what they have done to these animals, they should pay for the message they are sending to the children in this country!
Some of you will never get it you will support Vick until he is dried up and no longer a NFL player, but thank goodness that dog fighting is a FELONY...and people that think what Vick did is ok have no control over justice being served!! From taking polls about Michael Vick on CNN, ESPN, and Fox sports I have seen how ever that the supporters of Vick seem to only make up about 17% the rest of these polls show an overwhelming 86% of people that think this is wrong and the NFL should let him go....and with that I see hope that their is still love, and compassion in this world!!!
Posted by: Dana | August 20, 2007 05:48 PM
For all the comments about how vick should be left alone.... We all know you are on here to project conflict and your words are meaning les. (thought i would let you know to conserve your own pathetic time). And as far as the helping children in 3rd world countries... well why dont you do something about it. I bet you havent ever even done any research on it. How can you stop people from having sex and stop producing children??? Get a life. Live in the moment. Quit running your mouth and do something about it. Oh and i forgot about those who want to make this a racial issue. You humor me. Why didnt you start a protest in you (RACE) neighbor hood???? Do you not care. You as well can get a grip and clue ;)
Posted by: Erin | August 20, 2007 05:49 PM
Seen the movie Deliverance? - Vick should squeal like a pig in his jail cell with big Bubba, just as his dogs cried for mercy while being executed.
Posted by: Karen | August 20, 2007 05:57 PM
I don't understand what the big deal is, all we got here is a bunch of dogs fighting over a bowl of "Allpo", no need for a man to go to jail.
Posted by: Vincent V | August 20, 2007 06:00 PM
I don't understand what the big deal is, all we got here is a bunch of dogs fighting over a bowl of "Allpo", no need for a man to go to jail.
Posted by: Vincent V | August 20, 2007 06:00 PM
After reading that article about what he did to those animals, disgusted me beyond belief...even now I don't understand how people can hurt animals.
Whats just as disgusting is some people's comments about animals. The belief that there are more important things to worry about in this world, or that animals are meant to be worked or eaten. Basically the fact that animals don't matter...I hope that these people post such insensitive remarks simply for the shock value and do not actually believe such things.
It is good to know that this football player is going to be punished for his actions. I hope he gets banned from the league - this is where it will really hurt. And to all those people who want to play the race card - him being black has nothing to do with it. He fought dogs - he killed dogs that weren't mean enough. What he did was wrong - Whether he was black, white, yellow, purple, whatever! What he did was wrong! And its good to know that he will be punished.
Posted by: Marianne | August 20, 2007 06:02 PM
After reading that article about what he did to those animals, disgusted me beyond belief...even now I don't understand how people can hurt animals.
Whats just as disgusting is some people's comments about animals. The belief that there are more important things to worry about in this world, or that animals are meant to be worked or eaten. Basically the fact that animals don't matter...I hope that these people post such insensitive remarks simply for the shock value and do not actually believe such things.
It is good to know that this football player is going to be punished for his actions. I hope he gets banned from the league - this is where it will really hurt. And to all those people who want to play the race card - him being black has nothing to do with it. He fought dogs - he killed dogs that weren't mean enough. What he did was wrong - Whether he was black, white, yellow, purple, whatever! What he did was wrong! And its good to know that he will be punished.
Posted by: Marianne | August 20, 2007 06:03 PM
TLF... don't look to PETA to fight for Bella. THey would rather see her dead!
"People have no idea that at many animal shelters across the country, any "pit bull" who comes through the front door goes out the back door -- in a body bag...This news shocks and outrages the compassionate dog-lover. ..Here's another shocker: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, the very people who are trying to get you to denounce the killing of chickens for the table, foxes for fur, or frogs for dissection, supports the pit bull policy..."
Those who argue against the euthanasia policy for pit bull dogs are naive.
I have scars on my leg and arm from my own encounter with a pit. Many are loving and will kiss on sight, but many are unpredictable.
People who genuinely care about dogs won't be affected by a ban on pits. They can go to the shelter and save one of the countless other breeds and lovable mutts sitting on death row through no fault of their own.
We can only stop killing pits if we stop creating new ones. Legislators, please take note. "
- Ingrid Newkirk
Posted by: Steve Smith | August 20, 2007 06:05 PM
I don't think anyone here is naive enough to think Michael Vick will play in the NFL again. For all intensive purposes his NFL career is over. And as an Atlanta Falcons fan I have no problem with Michael Vick being banned from the NFL. I don't think he should be banned for life. He should serve his prison time and like any other convicted criminal once he has served his sentence he should be free to go and attempt to establish a career outside of prison.
That is of little significance however. What is of much more significant importance is where does the federal government and the animal protection organizations go from here? Sure reeling in a big fish in this horrific subculture will score some points right now. But what about 6 days from now, 6 months from now, 6 years from now? I sure hope the federal government as well as PETA and ASPCA and HSUS will focus on apprehending those still involved in this activity even though the names might not necessarily be associated with stardom. That will be interesting to see.
Posted by: Paul O'Brien | August 20, 2007 06:27 PM
Sweet Bella. I have a Bella Maria" also & she's the smartest, most harmless dog ever. However, she hates
black people. That's not
anything that we taught her. She just decided that on her own. I think she's quite bright. She snarles at Vick when she sees him on TV. She knows what he did.
I have to say that I'm thankful that the others stepped forward. Even if it was to save their own asses. Everyone involved should step up. Kudos.
Posted by: audrey | August 20, 2007 06:31 PM
Very nice answer, Mike Quinoa!
Posted by: Canaduck | August 20, 2007 06:46 PM
Dear God, I am so ashamed to share a species with all of these animal haters. So many of them say "How can you value the life of an animal over that of a human?" Why can't we value everything equally? Do you value your mother over your father? Your son over your daughter? Your spouse over your best friend? I believe that love comes in all different shapes and sizes, but none of them are more important than any other. We, the animal activists, are fighting for a world in which all living beings are treated equally, with love and respect. And to all of you people coming on to PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of ANIMALS) and preaching about how we should focus all of our efforts on human problems, please tell me which you think is a bigger problem, rape or murder? Robbery or assault? War or child molestors? Abortion or racism? You see, all problems are indeed that, PROBLEMS. You can't only focus on one problem, or nothing else will get done. You may not be able to comprehend this, but most of society consider animal cruelty to be a problem. You animal haters are completely outnumbered. The thing that sickens me the most is that most of you animal haters aren't doing anything to further your so-callled causes. You're perfectly happy to sit on your asses while the world around you crumbles. You have all of these expectations of a perfect world, but you're absolutely unwilling to fight for it. I, and many of my fellow animal activist, devote time and effort to making our world a better place in EVERY aspect. We fight for people AND animals. We want EVERYBODY to be happy. While you're spending your "precious time" ridiculing people for caring about animals, people around you are dying. What are YOU doing about it?
Posted by: Brianna Fritchey | August 20, 2007 06:52 PM
I think Michael Vick should be made to pay for decent care of the remaining dogs until they die a natural death along with the hopefully long,long,long prison term and extensive fine
Posted by: Marilyn | August 20, 2007 07:06 PM
To all of you sick people supporting Michael Vick and his evil acts. Dogs and other animals become a part of the family for many, and are treated as such. I hope you heartless souls reap what you sew. May your family (mothers, daughters, sons, sisters, brothers, etc.)be raped, drowned, hanged, and tortured like those undeserving dogs. In case you didn't know it, animals breathe air, feel pain, and bleed red blood, TOO! Ignorance continues to prevail.
Posted by: 4dhelpless | August 20, 2007 07:27 PM
Justin - obviously you're a moron. I'm no dog fanatic, so "keeping my breakfast down" wasn't a challenge at all. I agree, that dogfighting is cruel (not inhumane, doesn't that require humans?)" Do you think these dogs decided to do this themselves without humans you idiot! You are a pathetic parasite.
Posted by: Lisa | August 20, 2007 07:34 PM
Did someone actually comment that jail time wasn't necessary? If Vick thinks abusing and killing dogs is for fun, then what will he do when he becomes bored with that sickning hobby???
Is anyone considering what this man, and people like him, are actually capable of?!
Posted by: Sherry | August 20, 2007 07:37 PM
I feel as though they should make his proceeds go to animal shelters in Richmond, Va. There are plenty of animals that need our help right here. They could of made him play football and give at least half his paycheck to the shelters. I know he needs to go to prison but why make him go when they let murderers and rapist go free all the time. This would be a better solution. Are taxes would be paying for him while in jail. I think this is a better solution. Does anyone know who I can write to before Monday?
Posted by: Lucy Gilbert | August 20, 2007 07:52 PM
One,
I read your comment about why we should care about this and not more about Africa. There are millions of people and celebrities that do help Africa. But you never hear about a celebrity helping abused animals, especially those in dogfighting.
Posted by: Anna | August 20, 2007 07:58 PM
I'm all for this guy being brought up with charges, but I'm confused by PETA's stance on this. They're encouraging the NFL to take a stand against "animal cruelty" as far as this case about dog fighting goes. What about the slaughtered animals being used to make leather parts on the players' padding and shoes? Not to mention the football they're throwing around.
Does this mean PETA is taking a stance on a publicity-friendly, popular issue but (once again) backing away from and tolerating the biggest offender of acts of cruelty against animals, the "meat industry?" I'm honestly not surprised.
Posted by: Emily | August 20, 2007 08:01 PM
P.E.T.A f&*c*ing sucks. It is clear that they are looking for hype. How can an organization that cares more about animals than people cause the destruction of one of the greatest football history. We all make mistakes. I agree that there is something grossly wrong with dog fighting. But is it so wrong to cause a man to be deprived of life and income. Maybe we need to start an organization called People for the Ethical Treatment of Humans. Do we humans find it more important to save the lives of dogs and not the lives of people. Why are these people not screaming to save the lives of people in DARFUR. Now all i have to say to People with Extremely Tight Asses is to think more about human
Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 08:13 PM
I agree with how others feel about this but jail is not the answer. The reason is that there are alot of sick people in jail and would emulate him. To some people he would be a hero and he probably would have it pretty easy in there because of his status. I feel that he should have to return every penny that he made from the nfl and all endorsement deals and banned from football for life. This whatever he is lied to the commishioner,the public and probably his own mother. mick vick has no integrety and is an embarrasment to the human race. So since all he cares about is the money and nothing else then that is where you hit him because that is all he really loves and let him walk free in shame so everyone can see him live out his pitiful existance.
Posted by: Gregory Wilson | August 20, 2007 08:16 PM
To the person named Justin that posted the comment that,"if a dog dies you can just go get another one." You may want to be more informed before you make such an uneducated statement, Justin. First of all, the issue is NOT replacing a dog it is about the CRUELTY and ABUSE these dogs suffered. Are you aware that people that abuse animals are MORE LIKELY to abuse humans as well? Also, "replacing" a dog does NOT make that dog's life any less valuable. Us "Peta people" have lives and thanks to us your life and the lives of others has been made better. We are just as much for the rights of humans as well as for the rights of animals.
Our logic is not clouded. You see logic is supported by facts. Many facts in this case. What Michael Vick did was cruel and no living creature should have to endure this type of treatment. People are often selfish or ignorant. Some,like Vick, are deliberately cruel. It is the duty of each one of us to care for all the animals who share our world, and to make sure that love, respect and understanding play a part in animal rights. Always remember, that "for" is greater than "to". When we do something "for" somebody they feel loved, respected and appreciated. When we do something "to" somebody they feel the opposite.
Posted by: April | August 20, 2007 08:28 PM
ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE A SOUL!
ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE A SOUL!
ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE A SOUL!
ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE A SOUL1
Posted by: Lisa | August 20, 2007 09:00 PM
i think he needs to be in prison for 5 yrs. i think that peta and the aspca need to file a suit against him on behalf of all the dogs that he tortured, electrocuted, drowned and murdered
Posted by: doglover4ever | August 20, 2007 09:14 PM
michael vick should go to jail for 8 years? how absurd is that why waste taxpayers money over it. naturally someone needs to be made an example so i guess michael vick is it right? this is ridiculous i agree with bryan we hand out hunting anfd fishing licenses so rapidly and we're persecuting a man over a dogfight? we have plenty of inhumane activity going on in the world that deserves far more attention than this. i also find it quite ironic that the organization that supposedly stands up for animals also kills animals hmmmmmmmm talk about hypocrites.
Posted by: Aishia | August 20, 2007 09:26 PM
I am so relieved that Vick will go to trial for this inhumane act of cruelty. Finally someone will be an example of this problem that has gone on for too long. This kind of cruelty goes much deeper than animal abuse, there is a lack of remorse and sensibility that a normal human being has, and by far, Vick is a sorry excuse for a human. I hope you get what you deserve Vick, and that your career is forever ruined. You are a true disappointment to those who once respected you, your fans.
Posted by: Nicole | August 20, 2007 09:37 PM
Thank you Mike Q. for making that point. I am a PETA member, but that doesn't mean I don't care about the carnage in Darfur. It doesn't mean that I turn my back on those in need in my community, etc., etc. I challenge you to find a person who cares about living things (animals who offer no gain for that person and animals who have no voice to stand up for themselves)who is not also very empathetic to and caring for ALL sensient beings including humans. It has been shown in psychological studies that animal abusers have a high probability of also becoming violent offenders in the human arena. Justin, this is a tired old argument of why aren't you doing something about other atrocities. We shouldn't ignore any of them!
Posted by: Marlene | August 20, 2007 09:39 PM
Thank you Mike Q. for making that point. I am a PETA member, but that doesn't mean I don't care about the carnage in Darfur. It doesn't mean that I turn my back on those in need in my community, etc., etc. I challenge you to find a person who cares about living things (animals who offer no gain for that person and animals who have no voice to stand up for themselves)who is not also very empathetic to and caring for ALL sensient beings including humans. It has been shown in psychological studies that animal abusers have a high probability of also becoming violent offenders in the human arena. Justin, this is a tired old argument of why aren't you doing something about other atrocities. We shouldn't ignore any of them!
Posted by: Marlene | August 20, 2007 09:41 PM
You need to go to the hunting grounds where they shoot deer for sport. Isn't that cruel and unusual punishment to them? Or maybe the Quail or the ducks that they shoot for sport/fun. You are the judge and jury for Vick. You have went way beyond your call of duty to make him look horrible. Let the courts do there job and you save all the animals that die so some people can wear them.
Posted by: Tyronza Witter | August 20, 2007 10:19 PM
This is riiculous...VIck should be allowed to play, he is a great player...drugs, murder, and other stuff I can understand, but dogfighting? It is just ridiculous. People are just to in love with lesser things...dogs suck
Posted by: Neil | August 20, 2007 10:30 PM
Everyone makes mistakes including the people condeming Micheal Vick. There are so many other important things to give our time and energy to. Other than giving our self righteous opinion about another human being. Troops die everyday but theres no Peta for George Bush. An NBA ref is placing bets for the Mob but who cares! Micheal Vick and a dog fighting is the least important of these things. The real truth is White America would prefer to condem a rich and famous black male to take the spotlight off its own failures. Rapist, Killers, child molesters. Whites lead in these areas or have you forgotten.
Posted by: John | August 20, 2007 10:46 PM
that douche can kiss my ass
Posted by: emma | August 20, 2007 10:46 PM
He didn't accept responsibility...he opted for lesser charges. This is complete bullshit. This isn't justice at all. Why are we celebrating? We should be pushing for harsher penalties, not happy because he got smart and took the easy way out. These dogs died and suffered and yet he won't have to. I wanted him to go to trial and I wanted all the facts to come out so that he would receive even more time than originally said. Now...he probably won't get but a couple months in jail.
This really pisses me off to no end.
Posted by: Wendy | August 20, 2007 11:12 PM
well im with lot of u, but i wanta know why the hell nobdy ever says anything other breeds of dog that kill an fight.ive have 70 pits at a time, and i have 2 thats stays in and has its owe dam pillow in the bed,its not the dog. its the people or person raising the dog and how an what they train it too do.. sure they didnt like ea other in its space but any and i mean any dog can do that, I have a small dog breed and shell bit the pits head off when it goes to the food bowl.i hve small children and these so called killer dogs are better and protect us better than any breed and more gentle and more of babies than the kids. and the pits mind better thatn the kids.. again, ITS HOW YOU RAISE THE PITBULL DOGS.AND HOW YOU RAISE THE OTHER BREEDS
Posted by: tiffany williams | August 20, 2007 11:33 PM
I would have wanted Vick to go to trial. I want him to confront the survivors of the crime he is making a plea to-the scarred and beaten dogs. I want him to confront the witnesses lined up against him including his three co-defendants. I also want him to face racketeering charges.
I hope Vick gets what he truly deserves. Six months to one year, as negotiated by his lawyer, is for misdemeanors only. Dogfighting is a felony and deserves a tougher sentence. If Vick's three co-defendants are each getting 12-18 months in jail, then he should get no less. In fact, he should serve longer because he was the financier of this illegal and inhumane enterprise.
I hope that our justice system does the right and moral thing. I hope that my tax money will be put to good use.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 11:45 PM
it's some dogs you got to be for real it's more people doing worse things than vick, you need to protest about the sexually predactors , this world is so messed up RADIST!
Posted by: tee | August 20, 2007 11:49 PM
i agree that vick is wrong..He didnt stand up for what he beleived in obviously. Peta does nothing to humans but try to take what they have been raised on..There heritage. Peta says Nueter. I think yall should neuter your damn selves so my kids wont have to deal with you. You can believe they will have the choice to do the things that i believe in. They will Know wrong from right. And taking a mans heritage is one of the worst things a human could ever do. So your right, vick should go down for hanging his dogs. But i tell you what, Peta will never in this world convict or take from me what was guaranteed to me by my forefathers. Watch and see.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2007 12:05 AM
I would have wanted Vick to go to trial. I want him to confront the survivors of the crime he is making a plea to-the scarred and beaten dogs. I want him to confront the witnesses lined up against him including his three co-defendants. I also want him to face racketeering charges.
I hope Vick gets what he truly deserves. Six months to one year, as negotiated by his lawyer, is for misdemeanors only. Dogfighting is a felony and deserves a tougher sentence. If Vick's three co-defendants are each getting 12-18 months in jail, then he should get no less. In fact, he should serve longer because he was the financier of this illegal and inhumane enterprise.
I hope that our justice system does the right and moral thing. I hope that my tax money will be put to good use.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2007 12:17 AM
It was just some stupid dogs people!!!!!!! Not like he took another human beings life. They were dogs!!!! They die all the freakin time. Just get another one and move on.
Posted by: Jason Luckey | August 21, 2007 01:43 AM
vick the sick, should change his name to " Ben Dover" when he goes to jail, i bet he ll hv fun with his jail mate(s!) who loves dogs.
too bad they let him plea, i was hoping he can get 20 yrs in prison.
as for " justin", i bet when u die, ur family will be very happy just go to the blk mkt, get another jutin ro replace the stupid u.
Posted by: ann | August 21, 2007 03:21 AM
if you people want to get so mad at people who fight dogs, get mad at hunters who also kill animals. hunting is considered a sport.
Posted by: ryan | August 21, 2007 08:22 AM
People I dont think you understand YOU PURCHASE DOGS! How do they have rights. How come killing other animals like deer...etc dont have the same rights.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2007 08:50 AM
U PEOPLE ARE RACIST EVIL PEOPLE WHO DONT GET A DARN ABOUT THOSE PIT BULLS, THESE DOGS KILL PEOPLE AND CHILDEN, AND U GUYS ARE USING VICK FOR YOUR OWN PUBLICITY GAIN, AND U SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUR SELF. U SAY VICK IS BAD, BUT WHAT ABOUT YOU’RE HATE U ARE SPITTING OUT, I THINK U GUYS ARE SUCH HYPRCITES AND EVERY DOG WILL HAVE HIS DAY, PON INTENDED.
Posted by: tdubbs | August 21, 2007 09:29 AM
So are we to believe that this asshole Vic is remorseful for his hidious acts of cruelty? He'll have some nice funds waiting for his co defendants when there prison sentence is complete, knowing that they said exactly what the high priced attorneys instructed them to say in order to protect the "Star". So now Vick will ushered off to some minimum security slam with gourmet meals and probably a personal athletic trainer, please don't call this justice people. What I'd like to see is Him serve time in some Max Prison and placed in general population, then his real athletic running skills would be put to the test.
Posted by: Robert | August 21, 2007 09:31 AM
LISA YOU ARE WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
ANIMALS DO HAVE SOULS!!!!
GOD CREATED ALL ANIMALS!!!
GOD BREATHED LIFE IN TO ALL ANIMALS!!!
GOD'S BREATH IS SPIRIT!!!
GOD'S BREATH IS SOULS!!!
GOD'S BREATH IS ETERNAL!!!
ANIMALS HAVE GOD'S ETERNAL BREATH!!!
ANIMALS DO HAVE ETERNAL SOULS!!!!
DENY ALL OF THAT THEN YOU DENY GOD'S GREATNESS OF POWER OR YOU ARE AN ATHEIST WHO DENIES THE EXISTENCE OF ANY HIGHER POWER!!!!
Posted by: observer | August 21, 2007 09:45 AM
Yes Ryan we do get mad at Hunters., as well, bury the bastards alive in quick lime .. will that do nicely for you.. Mate !!!!
Posted by: keith | August 21, 2007 09:51 AM
Three college kids shot in the head, six year old girl raped and murdered, 11 month old baby killed by mother's boyfriend. These are some of the stories reported in the news recently. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE? THE PROTEST? I don't believe in mistreating anyone human being or animal but what about human beings who are being killed? PETA view seems to be off balanced. And by the way after reading some of the comments posted the public face less danger from Micheal Vick and more from some members of PETA. Note to PETA members SEEK COUNSELING.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2007 09:55 AM
It's not going to help the dogs to hate Michael Vick. It's fine to hate what he did,(and I can't imagine anyone NOT hating what he did)but wishing him the same harm he inflicted on his dogs isn't going to help anything.
PETA is right to protest and demand justice for these poor dogs, but the remaining dogs will still be killed, albeit more humanely. PETA agrees with that judgment call, and as sad as it is, it may well be the only choice now.
Rather than directing all this hatred at Michael Vick, (the same kind of "easy fix" that people get when they get all riled up at child abusers in the news, and then forget the story in a few days) why can't we direct at least some of this energy to righting the wrongs in this society so that people who grow up feeling marginalized and not valued by this culture don't feel like they have to live a criminal life in order to be "big men"?
I have no idea how Michael Vick grew up, of course, but dogfighting, and the drug culture that usually accompanies it, are often components of a more general hopelessness and the loss of humanity and dignity that go with that.
I wish there were easy answers to this issue, but there aren't.
Michael Vick will do some time and that's just and right for his crimes, but the plight of pit bulls won't change until people change.
These dogs have been targeted for years, both by the criminals who fight them and the society that fears them, and they are, for all that, just dogs who continue to be cruelly mis-used by people. There is rarely ANY good outcome for pit bulls who have been fought. If these dogs are seized they are almost automatically euthanized. If they're not, they will likely die from even more cruelty and/or neglect.
These are the same dogs that, years ago, were popular family pets, like the RCA dog "Nipper"! What a sad slide downhill they've experienced, but it's not just the Michael Vicks of the world that are responsible for that. There are pit bulls all over this country that are languishing in shelters, unadopted, just because they're pit bulls, whether they're nice dogs or not, whether they've been fighting dogs or not. Michael Vick and his ilk ARE largely responsible for the reputation these dogs suffer under now, but Michael Vick didn't create the violent society that allows this to keep happening. He will have to account for his own degredation and lack of humanity, and for the suffering of the dogs unfortunate enough to come under his ownership, but
we all have to take responsibility for the violence in our society and take consistent, long-term, positive action to end it. It's just too easy to get all upset and then do nothing once the story fades out of the media spotlight.
Posted by: Susannah | August 21, 2007 10:02 AM
DUMB IS DUMB!!!
DUMB CANNOT BE SMART!!!
DUMB STAYS DUMB!!!
ANNOUNCING THE DUMB
JUSTIN, MIKE VICK, RON, ONE, VINCENT V, AISHA, EMILY, TYRONZA, NEIL, JOHN, JASON, TEE, ANONYWATCHANDSEE
Posted by: observer | August 21, 2007 10:11 AM
For those making comments that this is a racial issue, it doesn't make any sense. This has nothing to do with black vs white. How many times have PETA protested rich women, whom are primarily white, that have been seen wearing fur? The issue here is the abuse of the dogs, we don't need to be playing the race card.
Posted by: Mayrette | August 21, 2007 10:38 AM
I don't support nor believe that dogfighting is in anyway a good thing, but the problem that I have with how the nation has reacted to this is how everyone is talking about Michael Vick's inhumane treatment of dogs while a great portion of this nation condones the inhumane treatment of unborn children being killed via abortion. If Michael Vick wasn't an NFL quarterback, I don't think that PETA or any other group would've been so outspoken. The minute someone mentions the atrocities of abortion, people jump to the sayings of "it's a womans right to choose" or "that's a different topic" or "you're a bigot for trying to take away this right". The general message that this Michael Vick dogfighting scandal has sent out is this, it's not okay for animals to be treated inhumanely, but it is okay for us to kill human babies while there are in the various statges of maturity in the womb. That is the biggest bigotry/double standard about this entire situation.
Posted by: H. Nelson | August 21, 2007 11:11 AM
Thanks Canaduck and Marlene.
For all you Vick apologists, get over it. He's going to jail. It makes no difference that you think it's "just a dog". That's not the point. He broke the law repeatedly and he knew it. Why do you think the operation was kept so secretive? And animal cruelty laws are enacted in the first place because cruelty does, in fact, repulse the majority of us.
And for the posters complaining that PETA doesn't do enough about leather, hunting or factory farms--- where the hell have you been? Have you actually ever spent some time on PETA's various websites or are you just here to flame? PETA has (and continues to) covered those issues and countless more.
Posted by: Mike Quinoa | August 21, 2007 12:30 PM
dear dear jason:
your shallow, insensitive assessment of mVick's despicable, dastardly deeds only proves that YOU'RE A FREAKIN' IDIOT!!!
Posted by: 007 | August 21, 2007 01:10 PM
all these little people like lisa, jason luckey and so on should not be taken anymore too seriously because i guess that here are posting many uneducated children who profit from the situation that we cannot see them!
Posted by: lava | August 21, 2007 01:10 PM
I'm happy Vick is being senteneced, what he did was wrong, and extremely inhumane.
Posted by: alex | August 21, 2007 01:21 PM
Lisa:
which god told you this?
did you have any animals in your life?
are you under 13?
in which kind of church are you?
i think it's better for you to shut your dirty little mouth or some deadly microbes fly inside!
Posted by: Little Drummer Boy | August 21, 2007 01:38 PM
It is ok if hunters kill other animals and shoot beautiful deers between the eyes, I know people do not keep all animals in their home, but dogs and cat in a house shedding fur is very nasty and no matter how clean you think you are it is filthy to me. God created all animals so killing of them is wrong. I have heard of dog fighting before but a big deal is made of this incident. Maybe, he thought it was ok to be involved in this. Instead of paying so much money to athletes, some of the funds should be used for these guys to have counseling and guidance classes. When you are young, you will sometimes make bad decisions and at some point all of us have made bad decisions some severe and some were not.
Posted by: Larry | August 21, 2007 02:43 PM
yall dumb ass people would be more happy if he beat the shit out of humans instead of dogs. yall need to get a fucking life and stop being so critical of everybody else... i forgot all of "peta" are angels and do nothing wrong. how about yall tell everyone some of the dumb shit yall do everyday and let us criticize you.
Posted by: b-y | August 21, 2007 02:53 PM
in order to save the tax payer's money, just kill vick the sick together with all the unfortunate dogs which are not suitable for adoption found on his property.
take away the crime scence property, sell it, donate the money to the humane society and PETA.
by the way, do the SAME to his co defenders too.
Posted by: ann | August 21, 2007 02:54 PM
All what I want is to ask the JUSTICE SYSTEM and JUDGE Chadson is to apply the justice to Vicks and Friends for the suffering of each of everyone of those dogs that were on their hands for 8 years, they also deserved justice because I do have a Pit Bull and they are great dogs but they are so unfortunately to end up in hands of people like that, please JUDGE god is looking at you apply justice for those animals PLEASE, and also please do not put those animals to sleep they do deserved a second change a make VICKS pay all their expenses until they naturally died like somebody else said above.
THANK YOU,
GOD BLESS THOSE DOGS.
Posted by: Robert | August 21, 2007 03:00 PM
I believed VICK and company should not only be charged by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT but also by every single state because they do have proof that they were fighting dogs in several states to names some of them NEW YORK, NORTH CAROLINA, VIRGINIA ETC, PLEASE where are all the others STATES come on VICKS and COMPANY broke your laws no respect what so ever, you should be charging them with GAMBLING AND DOGFIGHTS, where are you? we want to hear from you too.
Posted by: Robert | August 21, 2007 03:09 PM
VICK and COMPANY what are you going thru right now is nothing god would give you the best trial later on in life because you did have the opportunity to spend the money that you were blessing to be making and helping people and animal instead of spending in what you did, but god is the best to judge your actions, PLEASE JUDGE HUDSON MAKE SURE THAT THESE GUYS WILL NEVER FORGET THIS DOGS IN THEIR LIFES, JUSTICE FOR THE PIT BULLS, THEY ARE GREAT DOGS, THEY ARE LOVERS NOT FIGHTERS BECAUSE I DO HAVE ONE AND I LOVED THAT DOG WITH ALL MY HEART.
Posted by: Robert | August 21, 2007 03:15 PM
I do not condone dog fighting but do you think animal lovers take it too far sometimes? It almost seems like people care more about pets than they do people in general. Protests are great but can those same people who protested Vick run down to Court Houses all over America and protest deaths of other humans? I know it sounds ridiculous to do something like that but its almost ridiculous to think people care more about domestic animals than they do humans. I've been lucky enough to travel all around the world and have an idea of how different parts of the world view domestic animals....I can tell you that its not as crazy as some of our's.
Posted by: anthony | August 21, 2007 03:18 PM
What is that he is allowed to plea deal? so that mean that we can start killing people and get offered a plea deal what a joke what kind of justice system is this, I hpoe this judge make all of them to support these dogs until they died and clean their waste also so they don't forget what they did. They deserved to be punished to the maximun sentence to show also to all other people doing the same thing that they will get caught too soon or later, PLEASE MAKE JUSTICE WORK FOR ANIMALS THEY DESERVED, THEY CAN NOT SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
Posted by: Bob | August 21, 2007 03:23 PM
I believed these guys would hurt any human being like they did with the dogs because people like this if we can call them people because they don't deserved, animals are better than these four guys, they are a tread for anybody on the street.
Posted by: Gustavo | August 21, 2007 03:31 PM
For all those people above supporting the actions done by these guys, god would take care of you one day don't worry, you'll see it and you will remember my comment on PETA website, god don't forget things so easy like the justice system does.
Posted by: Piti | August 21, 2007 03:34 PM
I'm a Pit Bull and I'm begging to the owner of the FALCON and the NFL to suspend Michael Vick for ever because of what he did to my cousins please take care of us, we are great animals with a lot of love to give but we are so unfortunately to end up in bad hands like these four guys, this is the best opportunity for all of us to be protected by the justice system.
Posted by: Piti | August 21, 2007 03:40 PM
All of you who have mentioned hunting ad nauseum, let me write this again----HUNTING IS LEGAL!!!!! Even so, animal advocates still protest and are against hunting! AGAIN, WHY DON'T YOU ASK THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS WHY THEY ALLOW COWARDLY IDIOT HUNTERS TO LEGALLY KILL INNOCENT ANIMALS????
It is not PETA's fault or any animal advocate's fault that this continues, much to our horror. None of us consider it a "sport".
Neil, John , Witter, Lisa
You wrote nonsensical comments. Life is sacred and guess what Lisa ALL animals have souls, just look into their eyes. I don't see souls in the eyes of those humans who choose to be hateful and cruel. And yes, I have a life, a profession, 3 advanced degrees, and have children. And yes, the next generation of animal advocates will be even stronger and larger in numbers.
The argument animal versus human needs is old, without merit, shallow and specious. Every person with developed sensibilities should deplore violence and cruelty at any level and to any creature, human or non-human. If humans claim to be moral animals than we should behave as such.
Dogfighters, hunters, animal abusers et al are all violent cowards. Vick deserves to get more time in jail. Those that support him should join him in jail with the rape stand.
Posted by: Ana | August 21, 2007 03:47 PM
Julie Donovan go back to school because you are so ignorant that read your writting is sad and also for those anonymous that you are so coward like Vicks and Friends that you don't ever put your name why? because you are doing the same thing, why you don't go and fight until you died coward do it if you feel like you are a real man and see how it feel coward.
Posted by: Pit | August 21, 2007 03:47 PM
The popularity of the Vick case makes it of paramount importance for anyone involved in animal rights or even animal welfare to exploit it as a means to influence our non-vegetarian friends and associates. A woman interviewed in Atlanta in relation to Vick said that she couldn't believe a person could treat "any animal that cruelly". It was obvious from the context that she was likely referring just to companion animals, but of course the irony of the Vick case (i.e., the public's disgust at abuse of dogs while eating their steaks) is not lost on most people posting here. Now is the perfect time to politely confront our meat-eating friends/associates with the idea, perhaps novel to many of them, that there is no salient difference between a dog and a pig, and if they're disgusted by the details of Vick's and his cohorts' torture and slaughter of innocent dogs, they should be just as repulsed by the treatment of factory farmed animals. The subject could be a good "in" to initiate constructive dialogue to those you know who may not yet be leading compassionate lives. I thought I'd post the idea for anyone reading who may be new to vegetarianism or the animal rights movement....
Posted by: Doug | August 21, 2007 04:11 PM
what are most peopls view on cock fightings? i mean do you view it as the level of dog fightings?
Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2007 04:23 PM
You people amaze me. You can dish out such harsh judgement on this man for fighting dogs. If the type of punishment some of you feel this man should recieve, was given to your forefathers for true inhumane and barberic treatment of humans, your race would no longer exist. I do not defend dog fighting, nor do I condemn it. Those dogs are breded to fight, just like at one time black people were breded to be slaves. Now you tell me, is there even a comparison. Save your judgement and condeming, until you first look at what stock you come from. Much of this judgement is coming from the sons and daughters of the most inhumane and barberic people this world has ever seen.
Posted by: Hosea | August 21, 2007 04:23 PM
Remember Pete Rose?
He was caught gambling and he was kicked out of everything, and yet nothing about Pete Rose was violent.
This no good peice of shit Vick, should never be allowed to show his repulsive
face again.
Ugly, Ugly, Ugly.....
VOTE Bill Maher for President.
Now that is a beautiful man..
Judith
Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter | August 21, 2007 04:31 PM
H.Nelson: this is not an organization against abortion - this is an animal rights organization! you are on the wrong blog - sorry!!!
Posted by: unicorn | August 21, 2007 05:19 PM
hey H. Nelson - tomorrow i shall visit the next anti-abortion blog for to tell them to make animal-protection!
Posted by: cappuccino | August 21, 2007 05:21 PM
PETA is one of the most dangerous and morally-backward terrorist organizations in the world. Take a stand on something that really matters, like feeding our children, or getting our soldiers home.
The dogs got killed, and Vick will serve his time for it. GET OVER IT.
100 dead dogs don't equal ONE human life, period. If you want to destroy someone, why not go after Leonard Little, the St Lous Rams player?
Little was arrested multiple times for DUI, and finally killed a woman while drunk. Even after he killed her, he got arrested AGAIN!
He got 60 days in jail! For killing somone! I didn't see any of you people with your torches and pitchforks outside the stadium last time the Rams played...
But oh yeah... you don't care about the lives of people, just animals.
Posted by: Jerome from DC | August 21, 2007 05:25 PM
Hosea
You do need to read history....in the past people were hung for even lesser crimes than murder. This form of punishment was supported by all societies, even by those that are democracies today. If you want to focus on truly barbaric punishments for crimes, just take a look at how contemporary China deals with her criminals...oh and yes, take a look at some of the nations in the Middle East.
Animals deserve justice and maybe some justice will prevail for some animals in the 21st century. Why do you find justice wrong? You also are judging others by calling them the progeny of barbarians simply because they demonstrate compassion for the long suffering non-human animals. Maybe you think the tender feelings of compassion for these unfortunate victims barbaric. So be it.
Doug
Thank you for your intelligent observation and comment. I also would greatly appreciate seeing people develop compassion for the farmed animals who suffer every second of the day. I get nightmares just thinking of how many have been slaughtered within the short time I wrote this comment. Farmed animals' living conditions are so cruel and their deaths are so violent and painful. I would like to think that the Vick case will open up other avenues to bring to the attention of dog lovers that there are billions of other sentient creatures who scream in agony every moment of everyday. But, yes, this takes great patience and steadfast steps to accomplish this.
Vick deserves a long and harsh sentence.
Posted by: Ana | August 21, 2007 05:30 PM
Hosea,
you write in a way as if slavery was still existing! I don't understand why you folks always try to make us understand that you were slaves? First of all: who sold them? Their forefathers in Africa! Second: who was fighting against the slavery in the South: the white people of the North! I'm Arabian and I'm not angry about the Hamas blog because it's true! But you here - I'm sorry - but from her stupid reaction I can guess every black person posting here! Stop this racist behaviour - it's you who are the racists! that I learned now! So don't continue to make yourself ridiculous! Time of racism is over or do you want it back! I almost get this impression here!
Posted by: Rania Benghazi | August 21, 2007 05:34 PM
What is sick is putting animals ahead of humans, if he beat up his wife or girlfriend PETA wouldn't say anything. Members, get a life.
I have deer and bunnies running all over my place...time to thin the heards....bamm..bamm
Posted by: Don | August 21, 2007 05:37 PM
Yesterday on CNN Nancy ripped him apart (again), but this time she really went work on him.
Posted by: Sonny | August 21, 2007 05:37 PM
First off the whole world is over reacting about this story. Is dog fighting wrong? Yes its very wrong, but to send a man to jail for any amount of time for a crime you can't prove he did is inhumane, because you got thugs who wanna speak up now for they want serve long jail sentences. So Mike Vick did the right thing taking the plea because i wouldn't wanted to go to trial with almost the whole world thinking i'm already guilty. He was only wrong for who he hung out with. A black man in America will get treated worse more often than good. Our country lets some child molesters get 6months of jail time for hurting kids, but because Mike Vick is rich, black, and a role model everyone wants to make big deal of this, dog fighting has been going on before Mike Vick, and you better believe you're still gonna have people out there doing it. Our country needs so much help.
Posted by: Stan | August 21, 2007 05:41 PM
I notice there is a considerable amount of people bashing on this blog and lot of people that are not saying anything of importance or to enlighting the situation. To the one young person that stated GOD breathed life into animals, etc.. . GOD also gave us dominion over the animals to use some for our nourishment, clothing, etc. . . Animals are not equal to us - they do not invent, etc. . . Vick's first mistake was allowing people to use his home. His second mistake was opening that home to people who were not loyal and did not have the sense to keep down the activities they were doing from getting noticed by others. Lastly, for not operating his business in a professional manner. Everyday across this country a animal shelter, vet hospital, farm, etc . . . puts animals to sleep - is PETA protesting this? If an animal never died the earth would be flooded with them. I have nothing against animals, have had some as a pets, but I don't believe the taxpayers money should go to the prosecuting of a man due negligence in the caring of an animal. We have bigger fish to fry in this nation than that.
Posted by: one | August 21, 2007 05:53 PM
For all of you morons saying that PETA is just going after Vick because he is a celebrity or because he is a rich black man, etc, etc: please take just a few minutes out of your philanthropy-filled days to read PETA's many "Action Alerts" - you will see that they frequently involve non-celebrities around the world.
I REALLY wonder if any of you would even be reading this blog if the headline said "John Smith, average citizen, pleads guilty to dogfighting charges". NO!!!! You are only reading this because Vick is a celebrity, and you are just assuming that this is the only person PETA has ever identified as an animal abuser. If you actually read other areas of this site, and watched PETA's videos (yeah, I bet none of you has the heart to watch every one of the videos - I DARE YOU! Never mind, you will never follow through because you are all deep down a bunch of cowards!), you would know that the Vick situation is but one of PETA's campaigns.
You anti-animal people give humans a bad name, with your utterly unbelievable arrogance to suggest that the human species is above all others. How pathetic! Non-human animals can live productive lives, building nests, raising their young, and hopefully fending off predators; it is HUMANS who are messing up this world with global wars, horrible pollution, murder, and just incredible callousness and selfishness.
You complain that the PETA supporters here are "violent" because we have expressed thoughts of aggression toward Vick (and others of his ilk). The true animal lovers here are not violent people - they are merely expressing their frustration about a justice system that seems to be about anything but justice, and about murderers like Vick, Taylor, etc, who will get nothing more than a relative slap on the wrist for their vicious, evil, small-minded behaviour toward animals who could not choose for themselves.
Take your apparently boundless energy and channel it toward activities that you enjoy, instead of making pointless statements to those who are truly compassionate. Why don't you create an organization that defends people like Vick? Oh right, because all you are capable of doing is making nonsensical remarks without the ability to actually be productive, compassionate people in society.
Posted by: Michele | August 21, 2007 06:01 PM
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE WE CAN GET AN ENGLISH-TO-DUMB INTERPRETER SO THAT THE INTERPRETER CAN TRANSLATE TO THE DUMB?????
PETA IS AN ORGANIZATION ABOUT ANIMAL ISSUES!!!!!
PETA PEOPLE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON EVERYWHERE WITH PEOPLE!!!!
ANNOUNCING MORE DUMB WHO NEED TO GET A BRAIN!!!!
TDUBBS
ANONYSEEKCOUNSELING
H.NELSON
B-Y
ANTHONY
HOSEA
Posted by: observer | August 21, 2007 06:27 PM
answering to one anonymous person up here concerning cockfighting:
there are issues against cockfighting in the petafiles and also about bullfighting! we peta-members condemn all these practices in the same way - also hunting and any kind of animal abuse!
Posted by: bluebird | August 21, 2007 06:51 PM
Thank You PETA for everything that you do for all the animals! I hope that Michael Vick rots in hell. I guarantee you that Michael Vick will become some guys Bitch while he is in prison. So he'll better get use to grabbing his ankles because he will be doing a whole lot of it!
From Tammye in Riverside, CA
Posted by: tammy Schillinger | August 21, 2007 06:52 PM
okay peta, gonna let you know what's going on in georgia. a lady in warner robins,ga put 20 cats in the freezer, cannt wait to see how many of you show up to protest this crime or is it not high profile enough
Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2007 06:54 PM
Judith, Freedom Fighter,
Please don't put "VOTE Bill maher for President" in your comments. Let the people choose WHO THEY want to vote for.
B-Y:
You fuckin' loser. We are making taking this serious becuase dogs and other animals can't defend themselves. They just can't go up to someone and ask for help. You know why? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TALK YOU DUMBASS. Only a fuckin dumbass like you wouldn't know that.
Posted by: Anna | August 21, 2007 07:39 PM
Justin, re: Aug. 20, 2007...you're all 'heart'. Your post reflects your callousness and indifference to an animal's suffering. People who feel as you do....they aren't born and grow up to think that way...they learn it...from adults or see adults abusing an animal and figure it's ok to do the same and so they continue the legacy.
My logic is crystal clear...thank you. I see cruelty to animals for what it is....barbarism, no ifs...ands or buts.
Posted by: Carol N | August 21, 2007 07:58 PM
Bryan Johnson...to answer your question as per hunting....hunting isn't considered illegal (unfortunately) and that attitude originates from the christian bible, ie. paraphrasing....MAN having dominion over every living thing. Wildlife was on Earth long before humankind, domestic animals are exploited and there are people who cannot be educated, enlightened if you will, to the concept of animals being sentient beings.
Posted by: Carol N | August 21, 2007 08:02 PM
I think we should also talk more crap about the people that helped him along with all of this. Not just Vick. Obviously more people know of him, and he paid for everything, but the other monsters helped him, and for that, they should be punished severely as well. I get that they had nothing to begin with, but lets leave them with less than that. As for Vick, let him go back to the "streets" that he came from. He is 27...he's not a little kid anymore. Yes, people make mistakes, but this isn't something that can be classified under that. Murder cannot be a "mistake" unless you TRULY didn't mean to, and he meant to kill those dogs...and by horrible means. It's bad enough to shoot a dog, but to torture it? What is the point in that? I get that some people that write on here do not have souls, therefore they cannot understand why most of us are extremely upset over this, but I pray that one day, all of you will realize that animals are loving creatures and they deserve to be loved in return. Pit bulls aren't mean unless we make them that way. Your sweet lab can be vicious too if you neglect it, beat it, etc. I have a pit bull and he is super sweet. When I look at him I want to cry thinking of how people view him...the same way people used to view black people. It makes me sick. Vick should have learned from his ancestors. I highly doubt he likes that his ancestors were possibly hanged on trees and such, so why do that to animals? Remember, back in the 1800's, black people were looked at as dogs. Lets pray one day dogs get the rights they deserve just like the black people did.
Posted by: Vegan4LIFE | August 21, 2007 08:04 PM
Just saw the sick humor of Vick's teammate talking about "Mike's ordeal".
A real "ordeal" is being strung up and and finished off in a five gallon pail.
Art Blank had over $100 million to blow on this misguided savage. How much has he contributed to the victims.
Oh, this is not a "race" thing. White, black, yellow, green or purple, punishment cannot be harsh enough.
Posted by: Reinhard Jerabek | August 21, 2007 10:08 PM
Thanks Observer for pointing out once again that this is an animal rights website and that PETA is an animal rights organization (PETA = People For the Ethical Treatment of ANIMALS). There seems to be a fresh shipment of dumb every half-hour.
Jack, please tell me all these dumb comments are coming from just one IP address. There can't really be that many idiots out there, can there?
"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." - Frank Zappa
People who want to address other injustices in the world can Google that injustice and be directed to the appropriate site. PETA does not and can not solve every injustice in this world. Nor can ANY OTHER organization.
To One: Vick's first and last mistake was engaging in criminal activity. Don't pamper and make excuses for this miscreant.
Posted by: Mike Quinoa | August 21, 2007 10:14 PM
I don't understand how you people continue to drag Mike Vick's name through the mud when your own people continue to leave their pets in autos here in GA in 100+ degree weather with windows cracked hoping to keep them cool while shopping or taking care of business. It's amazing how so many people have so much more concern about animals, and not saying I don't, but than you do about humans. None of you people never have put forth this much effort or concern to help the HOMELESS! Although he is wrong in what may have occurred in VA, that still does not fix the fact that you have placed the love for animals above the love for a human. I have not seen a protest to protect humans against a rape, murder, or molestation as I have for the killing of these dogs.
Posted by: nanadee | August 21, 2007 10:48 PM
Good heartfelt comments, Rania.
Don, you enjoy killing deer and bunnies and you're telling us to get a life? I notice you can't say that to the dead deer and bunnies. Why not take up a real sport where your "adversary" has an equal chance?
Posted by: Mike Quinoa | August 21, 2007 10:48 PM
LISA HAS NO SOUL
LISA HAS NO SOUL
LISA HAS NO SOUL
Hunting is not a sport. In a sport, both sides should know they're in the game.
~Paul Rodriguez
Now go read some science research about animals and emotions. Would you like to be hung and drowned,it wouldn't really affect your soul.Just a test of your pain tolerance.
For the black issue and people saying it's only dogs. About 60 years ago, people use to say they are only black people!
"One day the absurdity of the almost universal human belief in the slavery of other animals will be palpable. We shall then have discovered our souls and become worthier of sharing this planet with them."
Martin Luther King, Jr
Posted by: A | August 21, 2007 11:00 PM
Michael Vick should burn in hell and if you disagree with me then you should too. ;)
Posted by: April | August 21, 2007 11:57 PM
This is for larry and b y..May you both get locked in a rapestand...hung...oh yeah and if that dosnt kill your sorry asses we should just drag you behind my 18 wheeler until we cant even care what species you were when you started!!!Sorry fucking losers
Posted by: Nina Colschen | August 22, 2007 12:02 AM
You can tell alot about a person..a country..by the way they treat the meek and mild..
Micheal Vick is a disgusting human being..There is no defence for the cruelty he laid upon these animals. He is a coward..a lying coward..who only decided to plead guilty when he knew there was no way out.. Now he has made a deal..again he is coward to accept his punishment..Anyone who can actually say that what he did was not that bad.. is also a coward..and is also capable of the same disgusting acts..No Vick did not hurt another human.. but through his actions he has proven that he is quite capable.. There is no excuse for anyone to inflict pain and suffering on any living creature.. tThere is no excuse to defend a monster like Vick..in any society..
Posted by: Kerry H | August 22, 2007 12:07 AM
Lisa and other dumbos,I have no time or desire to educate you about animal rights, pit bulls and other stuff that you really should already understand. I just feel bad that you,dumbos, are miserable,limited people who never recieved proper education. Remember about one thing though,there's bad karma. If you support evil,evil comes to you!!!
Posted by: Zhanna | August 22, 2007 12:09 AM
To all you Vick sympathizers: Please shut up. You make yourself look and sound stupid. If I were in trouble I would not want you people speaking for me. You are clueless and sound ignorant. For some of you every other word is profanity. Vick behaved like an animal he and his cohorts. I'm sorry, they behaved worse than animals. Animals kill for food, shelter, their pack, etc, not for money or greed or because they are psychotic. And black people: Stop with the racist "woe is we" crap. I'm sick of hearing it every time a black person commits a crime. I'm a black woman. I'm not an idiot, I don't support or feel sorry for a person(black, white, asian, whatever) that commits brutality against anyone , including animals. Don't insult me as a black woman with your crap about slavery, racism, the economy, mickey mouse, whatever excuse you have for blacks committing heinous acts. I don't care what happened in the past and what may still be happening. Stop belittling yourself, me as a black woman and the black race with your sorry excuses for Vick. Stop with this religious dogma about man having dominion over animals. Where does your bible say cruel, vicious treatment of animals is acceptable to God? Please stop it!
And Justin, Bryan Johnson..duhhh..with your 'animals die in wildlife' dribble and your other 'friends' on here: The dogs didn't just die. They were not only abused. They were tortured and killed in gross ways, not to mention the other dogs who were for practice. The issue here is the treatment of these dogs. No one is saying that there is nothing else wrong in the world or no other crimes being committed. This is PETA's site about ethical treatment of animals. Some of you people on here are unreal. I'm glad I don't have friends that think as you do. Get a brain and a heart!
Posted by: Tami | August 22, 2007 12:59 AM
The problem with dog fighting will not stop if Vick goes to jail. I think there are a great deal of people who want to see an athlete finally get into trouble and thank God its a black one. Who would feel this way if it were Kyle Turley or Peyton Manning...But that would never happen because they are not that type of person. Open your eyes people, yes he may have given his cousins the money to buy the dogs but he didnt do anything more. Don't condemn the man if you didnt actually see him. Only God can judge us and non of us are God. Jail is serious so stop killing this man before it is his time to die.
Posted by: Schuyler | August 22, 2007 01:47 AM
There are alot of passionate comments here....
...to those who think that Vick's actions were nothing much, tell me if you would have stood next to him and done nothing when he was hanging and drowning those dogs? What would you have done- would you have been disgusted watching those dogs struggle for their last breath? Do you not think there is anything immoral and wholly sadistic about such actions? If you don't then that is exactly part of what's wrong with this world-that people like you brush off the most blatant of violent acts. Vick should be held accountable as well as all who were involved.
And to those who wish sadistic harm or death on Vick, I understand your anger and pain, but shouldn't we as animal rights advocates remember our humanity and caution against promoting violence of any kind? Wishing violence doesn't help our cause and it distances us from our own humanity. Where is the common sense? Hopefully most of us out here have some, and hold to the natural belief that what happened to these animals was cruel and horrific, immoral and inhumane, and those responsible should be held accountable.
Posted by: susan | August 22, 2007 01:54 AM
stan & jerome from dc
do you try really hard to be that dumb or does it come naturally????
don the maniac terriorist.
peta people are trying to stop innocent lives that are being used for illegal activities and abuses. hope jerome from dc reads that you are a terrorist. terrorists get pleasure from killing innocent people and animals alike!!!!!
TERRORISTS PRACTICED SLITTING THE THROATS OF CAMELS BEFORE 9/11!!!!!
one
sorry pal. i'm not a young person. God breathed life into animals like it or not. dominion doesn't interpret to kill. God allowed people to eat meat 'cuz of their sins. now people have all kinds of illnesses from eating meat. more suffering. get it?????? vick was indicted for illegal gambling by torturing dogs. get it??? BETTER THE EARTH BE FLOODED WITH DECENT ANIMALS THAN ASSHOLES LIKE YOU, PSYCHO VICK, HIS PSYCHO SUPPORTERS, STAN DON & JEROME!!!!!!!!!
IF ANY OF YOU LOSERS FIND A BRAIN AND USE IT COME BACK AND SAY SO AFTER READING FROM JUDITH, UNICORN, ANA, RANIA, MICHELE, BLUEBIRD, ANNA, CAROL N, VEGAN4LIFE!!!!
stan, jerome, don, one, toilet paper has a better purpose than you!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: observer | August 22, 2007 08:03 AM
anony cats in freezer
fill out a proper complaint to peta on the peta website. can't wait to see if you do that!!!! can't wait to know if you read what peta does about those kinds of abuse things!!!
Posted by: observer | August 22, 2007 08:32 AM
Everyone who wants Vick kicked out of football forever, please call, Rodger Goodell at his office to let your feelings be known.Please, try to be as polite as you can. At least maybe we can tie up his phone system. Tele #212-450-2027. Let him know how you feel.
Posted by: nan mcclain | August 22, 2007 10:27 AM
You guys are so into animal rights what about human rights. Animals are just what they are animals. We love them as our pets but they are animals. Look at your precious animals now:Pit Bulls Break Into Home, Maul Woman
GIG HARBOR, Wash. — Two pit bull terriers broke into a house through a pet door Tuesday and attacked a woman in her bed, mauling her badly, a Pierce County sheriff's spokesman said.
The woman was able to grab a gun and try to shoot the dogs, then break away from the attack and lock herself in her car, where she called 911, sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said.
The woman, who was not immediately identified, was taken to a hospital in Tacoma, where she was listed in serious condition.
Officers planned to talk to the dogs' owner.
The pit bulls also killed a neighbor's Jack Russell terrier, which entered the house during the attack, Troyer said.
"The thought is that the Jack Russell heard noise in the neighbor's house, came in and was attacked by the dogs," Troyer said.
Firefighters responded first, locking the dogs in the house, treating the woman and calling for an ambulance.
Officers "had to pepper spray and fight the dogs until they were detained. We almost had to shoot them on site," Troyer said.
The dogs were taken to a Humane Society and will probably be destroyed, he said.
It was not immediately known why the dogs entered the house, whether the woman had dogs of her own or what set off the attack.
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Posted by: donna | August 22, 2007 10:45 AM
The fact still remains that the NFL has got to make a stand. BAN HIM FOR LIFE!!! I have watched many interviews (by the way the media is doing a great job at pushing this toward a racial divide because there is always a black man taking up for Vick, and a white man taking up for animals) but in these interviews the Vick supporters say yes he should pay for his crime, but once time is served he should be allowed to continue to follow his career....well let me tell you what if us as every day citizens went to jail on felony charges I can promise you this glamour job we had would not be waiting for us to come back to just because we served our time!! Chances are once we were released with a criminal record we would not have a nice high paying job because most companies do back ground checks now!!! So why on earth should the NFL take him back with this under his belt? Its almost like sending the message Yes its ok if you do wrong, as long as you take your slap on the wrist punishment and you act like you are truly sorry, and a changed man....letting him back into the NFL is a reward for bad behavior. By banning him it sends a much needed message to the rest of the NFL "is dogfighting in your spare time worth your career as a star football player?"
Deion Sanders, Emmit Smith, and Clinton Portis have made it loud and clear by coming out an making comments in Vicks defence that this should be no big deal Vick is just one little pea in a whole pot full of dogfighters in the NFL!!!
It running wild through the NFL so it is up to them to show consquences for actions LOUD AND CLEAR!!! Me and my husband are HUGE Carolina Panthers fans...I am constantly throwing money into Panthers stuff...that will all stop if the NFL lets this scum back on the field........I am not just blowing smoke either!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Dana | August 22, 2007 11:05 AM
i just read the new report on humane society homepage about the horrible testimonies of the guilty criminals! this is so awful and something horrible like this is happening in our modern times! their statements let us know that it was even worse that we imagined and i just vomit on the corpses here who still are supporting this vick-beast! you are the same horrendous scum! and i give a shit if you are black or white!
Posted by: turandot | August 22, 2007 11:31 AM
SCHUYLER: How do YOU know this ungodly creature did nothing?!!
Were YOU there?!!!
Posted by: 007 | August 22, 2007 12:26 PM
Donna, Donna Donna!
SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT?!!
TO CONVINCE OTHERS THAT ALL ANIMALS ARE BAD?
THAT ANIMALS ARE WORTHLESS, ETC.?
WRONG!
YOUR ATTEMPT TO MAKE A STATEMENT IS WORTHLESS!!!
THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH INFORMATION ALREADY ALL OVER THIS SITE AND THESE POSTS THAT ADDRESS YOUR CLUELESS CONCERNS.
READ AND LEARN!
Posted by: 007 | August 22, 2007 12:57 PM
If you are like me,and want Judge Henry E.Hudson to refuse to let Vick cop a plea, you can get your message to him thru marykay_hatton@vaed.uscourts.gov.Ask the Judge to reject the plea and charge Vick on the RICCO indictments. If the judge accepts or rejects the plea on Monday, then e-mail him on how severe the penalty should be. Or, if you prefer, you can slow mail: Judge Henry E. Hudson, US District Court,1000 E. Main St., Richmond, VA 23219
Posted by: nan mcclain | August 22, 2007 12:57 PM