Not much of a Homo-Sapien ( if he knows what that means)is Mr.Rove., the only Huntsman I respect is where the prey shoots back !!

Posted by: keith | August 15, 2007 01:05 PM

Dick Cheney...?...Dick Cheney...I get it. Good one, Ingrid. Actually Mad magazine had old blaze orange on its cover awhile back. What a bunch of losers.

Posted by: Mike Quinoa | August 15, 2007 01:09 PM

What a shameful person! When there are such people in the white house - no wonder that all the peace doves fly away!

Posted by: White Flag | August 15, 2007 01:22 PM

He is nothing but "SCUM."
I remember when this low life scum said: I love shooting the heads off of small animals.
As we all know, people that have fun hurting and killing animals sometimes start killing people.
So as far as I am concerned
Rove, Cheney and Bushie will go down as 3 of the most horrific murderers in the history of the world.
Remember what Bush and Cheney said, as children we loved blowing up frogs with firecrackers.
They are nothing but monsters.
Over 3,700 of our troops dead.
And 650,000 iraq people murdered.
These monsters truly get a joy out of killing animals and people.
I truly believe that the time has come to ignite a revolution in favor of saving and protecting all animals and the people that love them.
Judith
The Radical Buddhist

BILL MAHER FOR PRESIDENT.

I have had alot of coffee today...

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter | August 15, 2007 02:34 PM

Doves are practically TAME BIRDS.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

A man can't even pretend to claim there is any "sport" to this.

Posted by: kelly | August 15, 2007 02:45 PM

Ha! Ha! That letter is great!!!

Posted by: Jaclyn | August 15, 2007 03:23 PM

this is an old story that animal torturers have an affinity for war plays and weapons: people with such affinities you can find a lot among heads of states and among the upper ten thousand! this is the reason why this world became what it is: a huge trash can! and for this reason i prefer a street sweeper to a president. these white house people should go out and clean the streets - that time they would do something really useful!

Posted by: ventanita | August 15, 2007 03:36 PM

war bosses and animal torturers: you have just to look into their faces and you know what time it is!

Posted by: Old Spiderwoman | August 15, 2007 03:51 PM

Ingrid (once again) has done an amazing job!

Posted by: Jason Levy | August 15, 2007 04:27 PM

What an evil man. Nice letter, Ingrid. I love that she pointed out that pigeons/doves are the international symbol for peace!

Posted by: Canaduck | August 15, 2007 05:15 PM

A. This letter is a huge waste of time and paper.

B. Why this scum of the Earth isn't in jail I'll never know. That goes for Dick too.

Posted by: Maya | August 15, 2007 06:50 PM

Peace dove? There is no such specie.Atleast know what you are talking about before you start bashing something.

Posted by: Mars | August 15, 2007 08:47 PM

this letter s a joke who cares if he goes shooting birds or other animals hes controlling the population

Posted by: eat meat | August 16, 2007 01:52 AM

Mars -
The dove is a SYMBOL of peace. The singular of species is also species. Maybe YOU should know what you're talking about before you start bashing PETA.

Posted by: millie | August 16, 2007 04:08 AM

ok hes hunting morning dove you idiots there grey whitedoves are thought of in peace. and what the hell do you mean that people that hunt animals might start killing people you talk to much bullshit. i rather doubt ted bundy or manson were hunters.

Posted by: tjem | August 16, 2007 07:01 AM

mars
Earth to mars. Earth to mars. at least know what you are talking about before yapping with stupidity. doves and dove symbols are recognized as peace on this planet.
DOWN WITH KILLERS DUBYA, CHENEY AND ROVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dubya the bible reader. HA!!!

Posted by: observer | August 16, 2007 08:58 AM

I know that Ingrid can be very persausive, but writing to people like the Bushs, Cheneys, and Roves is a waste of time. They lack compassion for their own species. So, it is no surprise they have none for others. I can see Rove laughing and saying, "Oh, I made the PETA lady upset. hehe"

"As long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower
beings, he will never know health or peace. For as long as men
massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the
seeds of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love" -Pythagorus

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the
way its animals are treated. -Mahatama Gandhi

Posted by: Tina | August 16, 2007 09:50 AM

hey mars: again one idiot who didn't go to school!

Posted by: alfons roemer | August 16, 2007 10:30 AM

Ingrid,

I don't think your letter is going to make any effect on Mr. Rove. On the contrary, he is going to laugh at the lack of power from it.

The best way to protect animals is to change the laws and raising awareness.

My best regards and thank you for your constant efforts.

Posted by: Liliana | August 16, 2007 10:42 AM

they are morning dove and to the idiot who says there tame you smoke alot of dope lets see you walkup to one and pick it up to the 650000 iraqis dead remember 75%of them are binladens troops you know the assholes that hit the trade center and stop calling hunters murders and saying if you hunt you will end up killing a person dalmer wasnt a hunter was he NO and if hunting is a sin look in the bible at sodimy who the vice pres of peta admits to being gay but thats the choice he makes and hunting is the choice i make!!! Thankyou

Posted by: tjen | August 16, 2007 11:19 AM

I'm not fond of this letter, for it uses sarcasm and lots of attitude. Unfortunately, it might not win the them. It could actually backfire, and he'll want to go killing more, something that we don't want to see! So, I hope that next time, you will consider some positives if they don't torture an animal.
Best of luck for your current letter, though.

Posted by: Safira | August 16, 2007 11:43 AM

It is unfortunate that those who are in Power and believe they are above the rest of Humanity, Fail the very meaning of mans Ethics and Integrity when it comes to caring for the most important of this Worlds species, that being the Animals, who manage Nature well without Mans Influence.Until such time, these Men will continue to destroy what little we have left at their own peril. JC

Posted by: John Colyer | August 16, 2007 02:10 PM

It's funny to see that all of the people who were against PETA for going after Vick because "You're all just racists, why don't you go after a white man who hunts?!?" They are now on here, complaining about PETA going after a white man who hunts! And yet they have the audacity to call us hypocrites.

Posted by: Brianna Fritchey | August 16, 2007 02:25 PM

Maybe they weren't hunters, tjem, but they started out killing and torturing animals before they moved on to people. This isn't a theory--it's established fact that people who enjoy hurting animals often become abusive to other humans as well.

Posted by: Canaduck | August 16, 2007 02:40 PM

eat meat, the hemorrhoid
Smarter population control.
rub hemorroid suppositories all over yourself and dissolve.

tjem
replace that thick brown shit in your head with gray matter.

Posted by: observer | August 16, 2007 03:55 PM

--it's established fact that people who enjoy hurting animals often become abusive to other humans as well.

No, it's an established twisted fact.Just because a murderer kicked a dog sometime in his life does not mean that everybody that kicked a dog becomes a murderer.There are plenty of murderers that did not kick dogs to make that stat worthless anyway.

Posted by: Mars | August 16, 2007 04:42 PM

tjen: illiterate fucking hunter - guess this: what you do is REDRUM - REDRUM - REDRUM.....

Posted by: senior | August 16, 2007 04:44 PM

The dove is a SYMBOL of peace. The singular of species is also species. Maybe YOU should know what you're talking about before you start bashing PETA.

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought he was dove hunting not symbol hunting.

Posted by: Mars | August 16, 2007 04:47 PM

lol im black you assshole its also a fact that the number of hunters has decreased by 15% in the past ten years start jumping for joy there on the other hand the number of vehicle accidents has gone up by 20% info from us wildlife servicec and ney york and mass game control so keep saying how hunting is wrong. we dont let them suffer one shot one klll not like dog fighting brianna Fritchey that is cruel and canaduck your fact is bullshit i want resources ive listed mine look for yourselves

Posted by: tjen | August 16, 2007 04:54 PM

Brianna Fritchey It's funny to see that all of the people who were against PETA for going after Vick because "You're all just racists, why don't you go after a white man who hunts?!?" They are now on here, complaining about PETA going after a white man who hunts! And yet they have the audacity to call us hypocrites ita funny how on the radio a spokesman for peta said they were turning there head for 5 years because hes vick lol

Posted by: Bsparks | August 16, 2007 07:23 PM

observer

You have a way with words...succinct!!! But yours comments are both refreshing and amusing. Thanks. I will add that ALL hunters are COWARDS.
There are just too many fools saying too many hateful things about animals and animal advocates. Because I advocate for animals I get ridiculed. There's something wrong with compassion?

Posted by: Ana | August 16, 2007 08:53 PM

Hey, tjen, it's pretty clear that even you are embarrassed by the dove hunting thing

Real men don't hunt doves. There is zero sport.

Only men with the skill and intelligence of babies would even think to do something so weak and cowardly as hunt doves.

And even a lot of HUNTERS say that, and you know it!

Posted by: kelly | August 16, 2007 09:06 PM

tjen + rifle + dead animal = killing.
killing = murder.

hunters as sportsmen!!! HA!

SPORTS two opponents or two teams starting with equal opportunity for outcome of either one winning or losing.
MEN not wooses who kill innocent animals.

tjen + animal killer = woos.

gay isn't a choice or a sin.
killing is a decided choice and a sin.

Posted by: observer | August 17, 2007 07:49 AM

I personally like the part in the letter about Dick Cheney, although I also don't see it doing any good because they are quite thick headed. Lets just hope something got to him.
There's no point in killing animals. And only sick individuals with anger issues and low self-esteem have to get out there and kill something the size of a foot. Hunting in general is rediculous. How sad is it that these people try and hide in trees with guns, and STALK(as in an extremely creepy person) animals that aren't violent and have no means of protecting themselves? Does that make you feel like "real men"? It's rediculous. And it has been proven that animal abusers and killers are much more likely to kill people once the "thrill" is gone. Killing an innocent bird is just their "gateway drug".

Posted by: Wendy | August 17, 2007 01:01 PM

Personally, I don't think the letter will do anything but cause them to laugh but I liked the sacrasm and passive-aggressive nature of it! Funny.

For everyone bickering with the Anit-PETA posters...why??

Really, the best thing to do is IGNORE them. Really.

I don't really understand why there are here...just to get a rise out of you would be my best guess.

You can't fix stupid...don't argue with them.

Besides, I have no idea what most of them are saying since none of them can spell or punctuate properly.

Forgot my Neanderthal decoder ring I guess..so I can't really translate it or figure it out.

Again...can't fix stupid!!

:)

Posted by: stephie | August 17, 2007 03:15 PM

I think the bird that shit on Bushie's head during one of his idiotic speeches said it all, what a sick bunch of idiots.

VOTE
Bill Maher for President.....

Judith

Posted by: Judith, Freedom Fighter | August 17, 2007 04:21 PM

and have no means of protecting themselves?

Better go read up on animals if you think that is true.Of course your "grizzly man" hero found out otherwise.

Posted by: Mars | August 17, 2007 07:28 PM

"And even a lot of HUNTERS say that, and you know it!"

Name one!

Posted by: Mars | August 17, 2007 07:57 PM

The animal used for the international symbol of peace is the domestic white dove.
That title comes from the jewish act of offering a unblemished dove as a sin atonement.So, in the end you are condoning offering animals as sacrifices.

Posted by: Mars | August 18, 2007 05:06 AM

stephie
the anti peta posters post here to verify their stupidity.
ignore them, good point.
rise, not out of me.
bicker, not quite
their stupid enough to post here begging for in your face responses. from me, they shall receive in your face responses.

ana
appreciate your evaluation. had a lifetime of taking crap, holding it in, sparing feelings, getting sick. anymore I tell it like it is in a way that they understand. not sinking to their level but said in any manner, the truth hurts. too bad if they don't like the truth said at their level.

Posted by: observer | August 18, 2007 12:48 PM

Ted Nugent for president!!!!!

Posted by: hunter | August 20, 2007 08:26 PM

peta makes no sense 1 you bash us when we call you out you call us th ones that are bashing you! 2im still waiting on the facts canaduck ivelisted mine and the resources! 3 your right ovserver hunting is a choice and i make that choice the bible says thou shalt not kill it also says not to eat unclean meat=pork it says sodimy is a sin. that is where you act it out being gay and commiting the act is two different things practice Celibacy!

Posted by: tjen | August 21, 2007 06:51 AM

stephie why are we here you ask?? hmmmmm you are talking crap about hunters and we have a right to defend ourselves. I like what peta does to stop animal testing and cruelty but, hunting is not cruel and we dont go shoving it down your throat where you show up and protest and bash the hell out of hunters!! IE this web site and this blog!! If it was cruelty it would be against the law. As with everyone, you have the right to speak your oppinion, but dont slander someone behind there back and expect hunters to stay quite when they find out! You are being nothing more than a stereotypical person who rubs off on everyone else as a prejudice ass!!! i hope this is not to hard for you to understand... with the comments you made about hunters and grammar

Posted by: huntman | August 21, 2007 10:48 AM

Huntman, when you say "If [hunting] was cruelty it would be against the law", you are pretty much contradicting your own statements. You have already indicated that you believe animal testing is cruel - well, it is legal (UNFORTUNATELY) and in fact it is still REQUIRED in many instances in the US and Canada at least. The treatment to which animals in factory farms and slaughterhouses are subjected is cruel (just watch the "Meet Your Meat" video on PETA TV if you dare to think otherwise), but it again is unfortunately still legal. SO, the legality of an action (again, UNFORTUNATELY) does not necessarily reflect on whether or not it is cruel. So, you cannot say that hunting is not cruel just because it is legal.

Um, Huntman, who is the one who is "showing up" here and "bashing" people? It is a blog for animal rights people, so you are the intruder. If you don't like what we have to say, go away.

Do you know what slander means by the way? If you look it up, you will see that your statement makes no sense. And what exactly is a "stereotypical person"?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2007 06:39 PM

Sorry, the "Anonymous" posting from August 21, 2007 06:39 PM was from me. In my haste I forgot to put my name in the box.

Posted by: Michele | August 21, 2007 11:10 PM

Anonymous
Ohh I’m sorry I thought a hunter would have a chance to speak I didn’t realize how perfect peta members were and how they can talk smack against someone and not expect them to say anything back!!!! All of you are just a bunch of keyboard Rambo’s who off the top of there heads can’t name 5 species of deer without looking them up. Are you jumping on a bandwagon because you think it’s cool? Hunting founded this nation!! We have rights that you are trying to take away. One last thing if you have children do you force your vegan beliefs and no meat rules onto them of do you give them a choice after all it is the land of the free and they have a right to decide what nourishment they want to put in their body!!!!!!!!111

Posted by: huntman | August 22, 2007 06:28 AM

"the bible says thou shalt not kill "

It does not say to not kill animals or plants and in fact condones such and is required of jews to offer animal sacrifices.

"it also says not to eat unclean meat"

Under jewish law not Christian. The New Testament God says he gives all animals for humans for food and nothing is unclean.

"The treatment to which animals in factory farms and slaughterhouses are subjected is cruel "

Have you ever been to one so you can atleast make an informed choice or are you relying sinply on anothers opinion?

Posted by: Mars | August 22, 2007 08:15 AM

Huntman, if you come on this site, you will get people talking back to you. Again, if you do not like it, go away. I was replying to your comments with factual information and with questions about your statements. I can respond to you, just as you respond to me. As a parent, I will not prepare any meat dishes for my son because it absolutely repulses me, but at the same time I ensure that he gets a balanced diet (and before you harp on that, I will tell you that I have taken several university nutrition courses as part of my degree in Child Studies). If he wants to eat meat elsewhere, I will not stop him, but I do educate him about what he is eating. He can then make his own choice.

Mars, I do not need to see a slaughterhouse operation with my own eyes to know what goes on, due to the technology of VIDEO. I am not relying on "opinion" but something that I am seeing through the "eyes" of a camera. Have YOU watched any of the videos yet? No one seems to ever answer that question, presumably because they either do not have the stomach to do so, or because they have watched the videos and somehow still do not want to admit how badly animals are treated.

Posted by: Michele | August 22, 2007 05:27 PM

michele and huntman,
huntman does have somewhat of a point. peta does call hunters stupid and alot of ather names and when you use said slander michele i think you need to learn what it means before you throw it out there the way you did in you comment. i cant stand hunters so dont think im on there side at all but at the same time i know if someone was talking bad about me would want to say my peace.. you can call hunting cruel its life. but remeber you eating plants which are raised up cut down and some of them cooked while the cells inside of them are still alive i think that plants have feeling to and what we do to them are cruel. but like i said its life. I think its funny how you cant point your finger at someone who is different than you and make fun and call names that comment is to the both of you. I also watched the 1960,s/1970s meet your meat video things are alot different now in slaugter houses have you seeen the discovery channel they dont even brand anymore they use tags in the ears, If your going to say tags are cruel how manyy of you have had your daughters ears peirced. i would thank its about the same. The way they kill the animals is different now also. just remember you cant prove a plant does not feeel pain so why bash on person to make what you do ok. you both need to see eye to eye and leave each other alone. ps slander

slander

A type of defamation. Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community

so when you use that term make sure you know what your talking about huntman did not slander you and if he did there are plenty of ppost on here and blogs that he could turn around and get peta and other members on.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2007 10:52 AM

mars i agree michele once again i will say that peta members are bad mouthing huntes and when we stand up and reply you cry ie your blog on this site hunters are stupid is one another this blog where you bad mouth rove who is a hunter once again a hunter stands up and says something we are called the bad ones so once agian i will say its not okay to call someone names and not expect them to say someting back Ted Nugent for Pres backstrap fever tour 2007/08

Posted by: huntman | August 23, 2007 11:10 AM

michele i watched the video by the way that thing is like 30 years old they dont treat them that way anymore even you know that peta has forced changes to made in meat facilities but you guys can keep showing that old video its disturbing and you think it helps your cause showing out of date material everyone if free to have an opinion and im glad your going to a cc for child care classes but when you tell your child where meat comes from at least tell him the updated info not the 30 year old tape if you tell them the old way it is a lie and there is no such thing as a white lie a lie is a lie.....my brother is a vegan and i dont force my meat belies down his throat we dont even eat meat around him out of respect so take it as you will

Posted by: bsparks | August 23, 2007 03:25 PM

Hello? I never accused anyone of slander - it was huntman who accused people on this site of slander (he said, "As with everyone, you have the right to speak your oppinion, but dont slander someone behind there back and expect hunters to stay quite when they find out!"). To make a statement that hunting is cruel is not a statement about a person that harms his/her reputation, so just because people criticize hunters does not mean they are slandering them! I asked huntman to look it up, because he is using an incorrect term.

Hunting is not simply a fact of life. Human animals do not need to kill non-humans for food (and certainly NOT for so-called "sport"). If everyone just accepted things for being part of life without attempting to truly examine what was happening, we would never have abolished slavery, freed the jews from concentration camps, or obtained (some) equality for women.

Oh, if the PETA videos are not good enough to convince you about what STILL goes on in slaughterhouses, then I challenge you to rent the "Earthlings" movie narrated by Joaquin Phoenix. If you are not brave enough to watch the whole movie, then just go to the part about using animals for food (the movie is in 5 parts). Although there are some moments that are dated (because it is unfortunately not always possible to video a location due to the secrecy), there are still plenty of scenes from situations that are clearly much more recent than 30 years ago. It is likely that not every slaughterhouse uses branding anymore, however there are clearly many examples of continued cruelty, and these are just the situations that people were able to capture on video. The animal protection laws in the US and Canada simply do not have any provisions for factory farming, and there are many countries that do not have animal protection laws at all! I wish I could show this movie to my son, but he is only 11 years old, and it would probably give him nightmares for years. I still cannot get many of the scenes out of my head. I can only tell him about what I have observed, and I still can only give him a watered-down version. But, adults can watch this movie, and then they can hopefully inform younger generations of what humans are doing to the earth and its inhabitants.

And what the heck is that about plants "feeling" pain? They cannot feel pain because they do not have a CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM. Cutting through cells in a plant is like cutting through hair.

For the record, I am not going to community college for child care courses. I already have an Honours Bachelor of Applied Science with a major in Child Studies. I also happen to have an Honours degree in Social Work (these are both from university, not college). This education has taught me many things, especially how to do research, and to critique information without just taking it at face value.

Posted by: Michele | August 23, 2007 09:17 PM

i can agree with anon and did you hear they are saying that pigeons are to blame for the minn bridge collapse because of the corrosiveness of the dung hmmmmmm annimal over human a fake owl to keep them from nesting there might of helped and yes a hunter said something non lethal i olny shoot what iplan to eat i dont just go out and kill everything i see that is very wasteful and i will call a hunter like that a wasteful person

Posted by: huntman | August 24, 2007 06:58 AM

i can agree with anon and did you hear they are saying that pigeons are to blame for the minn bridge collapse because of the corrosiveness of the dung hmmmmmm annimal over human a fake owl to keep them from nesting there might of helped and yes a hunter said something non lethal i olny shoot what iplan to eat i dont just go out and kill everything i see that is very wasteful and i will call a hunter like that a wasteful person

Posted by: huntman | August 24, 2007 06:58 AM

"YOU watched any of the videos yet?"

Yes and they are untrue.Unlike you I see what you refer as slaughterhouses on a daily basis. I also know that VIDEO is and can be manipulated any way a person wants.

Posted by: Mars | August 24, 2007 07:30 AM

As we all know, people that have fun hurting and killing animals sometimes start killing people.<-- slander the only Huntsman I respect is where the prey shoots back !!<--ignorance Hunters aren't stupid. Their just pieces of shit. Slit their throats and kill them all. Laugh at them while they die.

I hope all hunters die a painful death...including their children and family.

Stupid red necks.

Posted by: Jenny | August 16, 2007 02:26 PMthis is from another blog on a peta sight
Hunters are the scum of the earth.

Posted by: I love hunting accidents | August 11, 2007 12:15 PM
yet another commentGrowing up in Missouri I can honestly say this video is great. Hunters are ignorant assholes.

Posted by: Lyndsi | February 13, 2007 04:50 PM
so when you say no one on here has talked bad about a hunter these are from the hunters are blog on peta.com keep telling yourelf there was no slander od smack talked lol you just look dumber every time you do. i mena you call a hunter sick for killing an animal and your girl jeny here is talking about torture till death and to the family also she has an anger issue!!!!!!!so make sure you read before you say no one has said anything bad about hunters This education has taught me many things, especially how to do research, and to critique information without just taking it at face value.

Posted by: Michele | August 23, 2007 09:17 PM

hmmm didnt do tour research here did you now

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 01:28 PM

"And what the heck is that about plants "feeling" pain? They cannot feel pain because they do not have a CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM. Cutting through cells in a plant is like cutting through hair."

You assume. I say an animal cannot feel pain and only reacts to outside stimuli just like a plant.

"but we assume that something without a nervous system doesn't feel pain, but who says that applies to plant life?"

Posted by: Mars | August 25, 2007 05:20 AM

If you are not going to actually pay attention to what I am saying, then please do not bother to comment. I have not said that people here have not said "bad" things about hunters. SLANDER is a LEGAL term that means someone has damaged someone's reputation by an untrue statement. So calling hunters stupid is not damaging "huntman's" or anyone else's reputation. If someone were to publicly say that a SPECIFIC individual had for example molested several children, and it was proven that there was no factual basis for having made that statement, and the effect was to cause the individual to be wrongly charged by police, THAT would be damaging that person's reputation.

And to Anonymous from August 24, 2007 01:28 PM, I cannot really even understand what you are saying, because you just string a whole lot of words together with no punctuation, and it is just unreadable. As to whatever research I did not do, I have no idea what you are talking about. In general terms though, the animal rights people on this blog (including me) seem to have done plenty of research, and the anti-PETA people do not have any real facts to back up their responses.

I am not "assuming" that plants do not have central nervous systems - it's a scientific fact.

The bottom line is, the hunters on this blog have demonstrated with their ill-thought out and barely understandable responses that they are ignorant.

Also, it does not matter how "clean" a hunter's shot is - the animal still suffers the pain of being shot.

I still haven't seen any of you hunter/anti-PETA people here commenting on the "Earthlings" movie. We animal lovers know that we will continue to face ridicule, just as the people in the anti-slavery movement did, until humans finally realize what they are doing to the other animals who inhabit this planet.

Mars, please do not attempt to tell me that the Earthlings movie is filled with 90 minutes of manipulated videos. The question is, what would animal rights people have to gain by supposedly faking scenes of animal cruelty? They save animals, yes, but they do not make money, they certainly do not get fame. But, the industries who would be affected are VERY afraid that consumers are going to find out the truth. They are the ones, like the dairy industry, who have to come up with skewed studies to "prove" that their products are healthy. They are also the ones, like Iams, who actually tell bold-faced lies in order to try to convince consumers to continue using their products. They are the ones who do not want people videotaping what they do behind their walls.

Hunting is not a real sport, as there is no competition involved (the opponent in hunting has no choice in whether he/she wants to participate). Hunting is however a "blood sport", which is defined as "a sport that involves killing animals (especially hunting)". You can go on justifying your own bad behaviour, but more and more people are learning the truth about hunting and other forms of harming animals.

Hunting is not macho and it is not cool. It is cruel and sickening. It is for people who need to feel superior to other beings and who have to achieve this by unequal means.

Posted by: Michele | August 25, 2007 02:59 PM

To clarify...hunting doesn't make you stupid...your inability to spell your own name is why I said...stupid.

Really, if you are going to try to make a good case for NOT being an idiot...all those spelling errors really don't help (and I don't mean typing errors, we all have that happen from time to time!)

I don't like hunting but that wasn't my point.

No one here is going to convince anyone to change sides...its just not going to happen.

I mean really. :)

Posted by: stephie | August 27, 2007 03:38 PM

so when someone shows you post from other blogs of comments made you ignore them thats nice but let us also talk about on fox news where it was said that peta is responsible for alot of dog deaths but you will deny that also. By the way most slaughterhouses use a sytem called cak now research that it was designed by peta update the vidoes

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2007 08:47 PM

all i know i can live off the land and im not paying illegal aliens to pick my veggies for me so think about that before you bash a hunter where are your veggies coming from i bet most of you buy from the farmers that use illegal alliens lol

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2007 06:11 AM

"I am not "assuming" that plants do not have central nervous systems - it's a scientific fact."

You misread, your assumption of error is assuming because it doesn't have what you associate to feel pain that it doesn't feel pain. The truth is they may very well feel pain but in a different way then we do.

" The question is, what would animal rights people have to gain by supposedly faking scenes of animal cruelty? "

Your support.Also, manipulate does not always mean fake.It means extort,overblown,exagerate.

"as there is no competition involved "

Competition is not defined as two equals. If that were true then both would win or both would lose.

Posted by: Mars | August 28, 2007 09:04 AM

one persons FREEDOM FIGHTER is someone elses TERRORIST, Judith. (ALF?, ELF?)

Also, there is not a lot of sport in dove hunting, when compared to other types of hunting, but, if you wanted to get technical, the dove hunters help keep the dove population stable, they number like 135 million, and would die off if they werent managed. also, hunters do typically eat all of what the harvest, no one eats euthanized dogs and cats at shelters.

In Bolivia and Argentina, doves are regarded as a pest in some areas and eat alot of the crops in these developing nations. foreign hunters provide a service to the local people by keeping their crops alive and providing them with protein.

In many parts of the country, dove hunting is a very social event, and, studies have shown, that kids who are brought up hunting are more likely to be involved in environmental issues and there is also a correlation between lower crime rates the hunting community.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2007 02:09 AM

Hey Mars you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. You can show a PETA member the truth and they will deny because they are always right, even if they manipulate the truth it’s not a lie and they are right. You can show them blogs of crap being said before a hunter said anything and it is always someone else’s fault just like a three year old “they started it first it wasn’t me”

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2007 06:27 AM

michele and stephie do you have dogs and if so what kind?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2007 06:07 AM

michele and stephie both drive fully loaded lexus with leather interior

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2007 12:34 PM

Go Ted Nugent!!!!

Posted by: Jim Stevens | October 26, 2007 02:32 PM

Yes it dose say for the commanment for god and god meant everything and everyone for the sentence thou shalt not kill.

that means thou shalt not kill is for humans, animals, and plants and if we disobey that rule by testing medicine on animals, we are breaking god's rule. REMEMBER THAT! THOU SHALT NOT KILL IS A RULE FOR LOVING ANIMALS BECAUSE ANIMALS IS GOD'S CREATION AND CREATURES OF BEAUTY

Posted by: stephanie | January 21, 2008 12:27 AM

wow... have you all ever gave a serious, open look at hunting before? or even the world for that matter? im a hunter, but i can't say that i'm as much of a sadist, or get such a... sick pleasure... as mr rove from hunting though. i hunt pheasants, "hunt in the water" aka fishing lol, i also hunt deer sometimes, but not doves though. anyways, i think you should remember that animals have no original thought, and "fighting for their rights," while a really noble and cool cause, is sadly futile, as animals cannot possibly comprehend rights. animals ALWAYS act entirely on instinct in order to survive. but if animals can comprehend rights, prove me wrong and i will step down, otherwise please dont use a false point, you make yourself look like an ignorant idiot (as you say all hunters are). ignorance and being an asshole is more like a personality trait... judging all the hunters as ignorant assholes AND scum of the world sounds a lot like the targeting of minority groups in the past, such as Jews and African Americans for example. and hunting as murder? that must be a joke right? hunting can, and often times, leads to killing. killing is not murder. murder is a term defined by the law, killing is simply taking a life. oh well lol. personally, i dont think hunting is a sport either, it's more like an activity but it does take skill, however it is only more destructive than what some of you might choose. on the subject of animals feeling pain, so what? it's only temporary, just like everything around us right now lol. one last thing about the peta president, ingrid newkirk... she seems really close-minded and childish when insulting karl rove like that. he may be a heartless bastard but she should defeat him with an argument that he cant refuse, and also one that doesnt make her seem like she's a five year old hissing from the shadowy corners of ignorance

Posted by: an open minded hunter | March 14, 2008 10:52 PM